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From the second Arnel's voice cracked under pressure of Only The Young, I kept asking myself over and over...why why why?

It is horrible. The mix sounds like it was done in my garage. On the higher ranged songs they mixed arnels voice differently and it sounds somewhat muffled...I will never listen to it again.

Thoughts?

I guess my real question is what was the purpose of rerecording them?

Tarzanboy wrote:From the second Arnel's voice cracked under pressure of Only The Young, I kept asking myself over and over...why why why?

It is horrible. The mix sounds like it was done in my garage. On the higher ranged songs they mixed arnels voice differently and it sounds somewhat muffled...I will never listen to it again.

Thoughts?

Yeah, I noticed that one bad note that Arnel hit at the beginning of "Only The Young."

They did the re-records to secure the Walmart distribution deal. Walmart wasn't interested in a new Journey album alone. They want the package to be able to say "greatest hits" on it. Kudos to Neal for pushing to do an entire new album rather than just the 4 new tracks Walmart wanted.

Where ? I dont hear any cracking.. I think he sounds great on it. Its obvious that he is adding rasp.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Where ? I dont hear any cracking.. I think he sounds great on it. Its obvious that he is adding rasp.

I don't hear it either. Only the Young is one of Arnel's strongest vocal performances both live and in the studio.

Tarzanboy wrote:From the second Arnel's voice cracked under pressure of Only The Young, I kept asking myself over and over...why why why?

It is horrible. The mix sounds like it was done in my garage. On the higher ranged songs they mixed arnels voice differently and it sounds somewhat muffled...I will never listen to it again.

Thoughts?

I guess my real question is what was the purpose of rerecording them?

I fuckin' completely DISAGREE, but you're entitled to an opinion.

Tarzanboy wrote:From the second Arnel's voice cracked under pressure of Only The Young, I kept asking myself over and over...why why why?

It is horrible. The mix sounds like it was done in my garage. On the higher ranged songs they mixed arnels voice differently and it sounds somewhat muffled...I will never listen to it again.

Thoughts?

I guess my real question is what was the purpose of rerecording them?

Not to sound harsh, but maybe before posting, ya might wanna do a search on this question. It's been answered a bazillion times....
welcome by the way!

ttango1 wrote:

Tarzanboy wrote:From the second Arnel's voice cracked under pressure of Only The Young, I kept asking myself over and over...why why why?

It is horrible. The mix sounds like it was done in my garage. On the higher ranged songs they mixed arnels voice differently and it sounds somewhat muffled...I will never listen to it again.

Thoughts?

I guess my real question is what was the purpose of rerecording them?

I fuckin' completely DISAGREE, but you're entitled to an opinion.

I think Arnel wails on this song and live, it's even better. I think he does this song amazingly well.

Well, Where is this cracking. On what lyrics and what time in to the song ? ALL singers crack and if he did then thats fine. I am ok that they left it in. Thats rare and very honest if its true... They would have heard it for sure as i am sure they solo the vocals after Arnel KNOCKS THEM OUT OF THE FUCKING PARK...


WOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

What I would consider to be the bad part is on the words "You can" at the start of the song in the line "You can hear the thunder of their cry." But that's my only complaint with it.

Overall Arnel did a great job on the remakes.

STORY_TELLER wrote: Walmart wasn't interested in a new Journey album alone. They want the package to be able to say "greatest hits" on it.

That right?

Then why doesn't it say "Greatest Hits" on it?


My copy of the album (the cover of which is COMPLETELY different than the '88 GH) had a small, negligible sticker on it that had in tiny print "11 new tracks, 11 rerecorded hits, live DVD."


Tango, your sig brings the whole screen to a grinding halt when going past it.
Gonna keep that at LEAST have her completely disrobe.

The re-done Greatest Hits are a colossal waste of everyone’s time.
They hewed so closely to the Perry originals that now even the smallest variation comes off jarring.
The very idea of re-doing the hits also stands in stark contrast to everything Neal has stated since first reforming in 98
Previously he dreaded becoming a nostalgia act. Now he is actively courting it.

Andrew is right. At the very least, they could've mixed it up (accoustic renditions, extended solos, jams etc)

STORY_TELLER wrote:They did the re-records to secure the Walmart distribution deal. Walmart wasn't interested in a new Journey album alone. They want the package to be able to say "greatest hits" on it. Kudos to Neal for pushing to do an entire new album rather than just the 4 new tracks Walmart wanted.

They did it so they could license the music to commercials, etc, which Perry was so against.

It's an insult, pure greed, and, in TNC's words, "a colossal waste," in so many ways.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Andrew is right. At the very least, they could've mixed it up (accoustic renditions, extended solos, jams etc)

Acoustic renditions... you mean like "This Left Feels Right"? No thanks!

Geez, it was a stip of the WalMart deal. What's the big friggin' deal? It's only what, $12.00?
It would've been cool as a live album, but then the DVD wouldn't be as cool.

I think if they had to do it, they had to do it this way. If they'd re-recorded the tunes in some completely different way, the band would've been nailed to the cross for that too.

If you don't like them, don't play them. A DVD and a brand new GREAT album is pretty freakin sweet for 12.00. I suppose they could've put the old hits with Perry on there... and everyone would've complained that they repackaged them yet again. There wasn't much else they could do.

I don't get why everyone's bitching at all. The album is (apparently) doing pretty well for it's first day out, which is actually good for everyone in the Journey camp as well as the fans. It probably won't last, but why rain on the parade? It's not like the rerecords are the worst thing ever recorded or anything, I believe I mentioned that above (This Left Feels Right).

Seriously, this band cannot win no matter what they do.

frfksakes wrote:
They did it so they could license the music to commercials, etc, which Perry was so against.

It's an insult, pure greed and, in TNC's words, "a colossal waste," in so many ways.

where did you see that? They've already done that with Any Way You Want It (with Perry). They did it for the Walmart deal and for the ads REGARDING JOURNEY SHOWS.

"Pure Greed"- um, it's a BUSINESS.

Red13JoePa wrote:
My copy of the album (the cover of which is COMPLETELY different than the '88 GH) had a small, negligible sticker on it that had in tiny print "11 new tracks, 11 rerecorded hits, live DVD."

The covers definitely share a common theme and similar colour scheme.



Not a bad thing at all. Freaky how the Journey text matches up!

brywool wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Andrew is right. At the very least, they could've mixed it up (accoustic renditions, extended solos, jams etc)

Acoustic renditions... you mean like "This Left Feels Right"? No thanks!

Geez, it was a stip of the WalMart deal. What's the big friggin' deal? It's only what, $12.00?
It would've been cool as a live album, but then the DVD wouldn't be as cool.

I think if they had to do it, they had to do it this way. If they'd re-recorded the tunes in some completely different way, the band would've been nailed to the cross for that too.

If you don't like them, don't play them. A DVD and a brand new GREAT album is pretty freakin sweet for 12.00. I suppose they could've put the old hits with Perry on there... and everyone would've complained that they repackaged them yet again. There wasn't much else they could do.

I don't get why everyone's bitching at all. The album is (apparently) doing pretty well for it's first day out, which is actually good for everyone in the Journey camp as well as the fans. It probably won't last, but why rain on the parade? It's not like the rerecords are the worst thing ever recorded or anything, I believe I mentioned that above (This Left Feels Right).

Seriously, this band cannot win no matter what they do.

Whiners, complainers, yada, yada, yada, here we go again. Let them re-record their whole freaking catalogue, I don't give a shit. Toss them away or make it a coaster, its your money anyway. You're right Bry, no matter what the band do, people still complain...Acoustic renditions of Greatest Hits? No thanks!

I wonder if people would be happier if they would have stuck Perry's hits on one cd and
Arnel's on the new for the bundle package? maybe they tried and Perry said no.

Jeff was a better show man on stage than Arnel in my opinion so he would have been
good on the dvd, oh well. Guess they had to make a clean break and run for the finish line.

27 pages.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Andrew is right. At the very least, they could've mixed it up (accoustic renditions, extended solos, jams etc)

Maybe Walmart wouldn't allow this.

From Melodicrock.com's review:

"The band's motivation for doing this is clear – get out from under the various strings and conditions that control their original songs.
They aren't the first to do it and certainly won't be the last. In fact, Kiss are doing the same right now.
This move allows the band to license these versions to various projects and it also allows the band to showcase their new singer and just how close to Steve Perry he can come."

This move allows the band to license these versions to various projects

Now they don't need Perry's permission for TV shows and movies to use these songs[these versions only, I guess].

SteveForever wrote:I wonder if people would be happier if they would have stuck Perry's hits on one cd and
Arnel's on the new for the bundle package? maybe they tried and Perry said no.

I already had this solution in another thread:

Journey should take Steve's vocal tracks from Street Talk and FTLOSM and record new backing. That way, it's Journey. Won't be new, but it'll be Journey.

Seriously, it would've been worse having the original hits and the new ones. Great, I just bought something I already have and that Journey's tried to sell me a million times before (greatest hits, essential journey, the original albums, the remasters....)

Seriously, this is no problem for me at all. My opinion of course.

brywool wrote:Geez, it was a stip of the WalMart deal. What's the big friggin' deal? It's only what, $12.00?

Since it was sold exclusively at a big box emporium for a dirt cheap price, it is somehow exempt from fair-minded critcism?

brywool wrote:I think if they had to do it, they had to do it this way. If they'd re-recorded the tunes in some completely different way, the band would've been nailed to the cross for that too.

No, but it wouldn't have left fans so incredulously scratching their heads going "what the fuck's the point?"

brywool wrote:If you don't like them, don't play them.

Another goosestep-marching Journey water carrier.
You epitomize those who turned a deaf ear as this band rotted from within.
When Deano rang the alarm about lipsynching, fans like you dismissed him with a tut-tut wave of the hand.

brywool wrote:Just like IA DVD and a brand new GREAT album is pretty freakin sweet for 12.00.

Who gives a fuck what it cost?
We're trying to talk music here, u swollen capitalist tick.

brywool wrote:I suppose they could've put the old hits with Perry on there... and everyone would've complained that they repackaged them yet again. There wasn't much else they could do.

So let the fanbase kvetch. What's it to you?

brywool wrote:I don't get why everyone's bitching at all. The album is (apparently) doing pretty well for it's first day out, which is actually good for everyone in the Journey camp as well as the fans.

Doesn't put a red nickle in my pocket.
We discuss hit albums (Escape) and duds (Red 13) evenly here.

brywool wrote:It probably won't last, but why rain on the parade?
Seriously, this band cannot win no matter what they do.

Again, what's it to you?
You listen to a song on the radio and now you're ready to take raw loads to the dumper from these guys?
Get a life, man.

RebornJrny wrote:
Whiners, complainers, yada, yada, yada, here we go again. Let them re-record their whole freaking catalogue, I don't give a shit. Toss them away or make it a coaster, its your money anyway. You're right Bry, no matter what the band do, people still complain...Acoustic renditions of Greatest Hits? No thanks!

I second that notion! If you don't like it...DON'T FUCKING LISTEN TO IT. It's that simple. Slap in the originals and be happy.

JrnyScarab wrote:I second that notion! If you don't like it...DON'T FUCKING LISTEN TO IT. It's that simple. Slap in the originals and be happy.

Dissent is unpatriotic,
Freedom is Slavery,
Ignorance is Strength,
War is peace,
etc. etc.

I like the fresh sound of the classics. I have heard the originals a million times over. I personally like something a little different.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

JrnyScarab wrote:I second that notion! If you don't like it...DON'T FUCKING LISTEN TO IT. It's that simple. Slap in the originals and be happy.

Dissent is unpatriotic,
Freedom is Slavery,
Ignorance is Strength,
War is peace,
etc. etc.

LOL!

Seriously, I like reading everyone's opinion and you are all entitled to it, but sometimes things can be hashed and re-hashed forever. I'm going to pick up Revelation package tonight and if I don't like the re-records they can collect dust with my other neglected CD's!

It doesn't matter to me why they did it. It's not like they yanked the original versions off the shelf and replaced them with these like Ozzy did to his first 2 CD's.

SteveForever wrote:I wonder if people would be happier if they would have stuck Perry's hits on one cd and
Arnel's on the new for the bundle package? maybe they tried and Perry said no.

Jeff was a better show man on stage than Arnel in my opinion so he would have been
good on the dvd, oh well. Guess they had to make a clean break and run for the finish line.

Agreed, as much as I like Arnel's voice........I actually laughed out loud when I caught them on the Ellen show. I think he did a great job vocally, but whereas Jeff's showmanship comes across as natural and "rockstar"..........Arnel's stage antics came across as awkward and goofy. Especially when he was waving the mic stand around.

Can anybody who has the cd/dvd already tell me if either one of Deen's After The Fall or Mother Father are on the dvd?

And regarding "This Left Feels Right", I couldn't agree more. I love Bon Jovi but that was a huge waste, I have listened to that a whole grand total of one time since I bought it.

Deb wrote:

SteveForever wrote:Jeff was a better show man on stage than Arnel in my opinion so he would have been
good on the dvd, oh well. Guess they had to make a clean break and run for the finish line.

Agreed, as much as I like Arnel's voice........I actually laughed out loud when I caught them on the Ellen show. I think he did a great job vocally, but whereas Jeff's showmanship comes across as natural and "rockstar"..........Arnel's stage antics came across as awkward and goofy.

Ya know, from the clips of the DVD I've seen, Arnel looks like he's doing a great job, but on the Ellen show he looked aloof. Nerves maybe? Not enough room to jump around?

Brigadier wrote:From Melodicrock.com's review:

"The band's motivation for doing this is clear – get out from under the various strings and conditions that control their original songs.
They aren't the first to do it and certainly won't be the last. In fact, Kiss are doing the same right now.
This move allows the band to license these versions to various projects and it also allows the band to showcase their new singer and just how close to Steve Perry he can come."

This move allows the band to license these versions to various projects

Now they don't need Perry's permission for TV shows and movies to use these songs[these versions only, I guess].

That's the main reason.