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Denver Post Review

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:18 pm
by Barb
http://blogs.denverpost.com/reverb/2008 ... hitheatre/

Arnel Pineda had some big shoes to fill Wednesday. And by the end of his second-ever American concert as the new crooner for Journey, most of the 18,000 crammed into Fiddler’s Green Amphitheatre had forgotten Steve Perry.

With perfect pitch, power and amazing resonance, Pineda floored a crowd that probably arrived ready to pine for Perry. A few months ago Pineda was a somewhat popular performer in Manila, singing an occasional Journey cover in a local band. By Wednesday night, he was an American rock star with a swooning crowd hanging on his perfectly tenored voice.

Opening with a fresh cut off Journey’s new three-disc “Revelations” release — “Never Walk Away” — Pineda showed he could carry an even higher pitch than Perry’s trademark wail. The 40-year-old, who speaks halting English, merges a Freddie Mercury smoothness with a David Lee Roth rocker style to create his own version of Perry.

Donning leather pants :lol: and shoulder-length locks a la Perry circa 1980, Pineda chattered nervously after the first song, even admitting his anxiety before diving into a rousing “Only the Young.” Neal Schon, the founding member of the 33-year-old band who discovered Pineda while searching YouTube for a potential singer, worked through a technical glitch in the first few tunes to reach an exploding “Stone In Love.”

Schon, sporting a leather vest and looking more than a little like James Caan’s Sonny Corleone, is a gifted guitarist with powerful riffs that helped define the emerging genre of arena rock in the early ’70s. And still today, Schon’s signature Gibson can cull melodies from within the deepest jams. Wednesday night’s midset jam on the 12-string mandolin was soulful and complex, coaxing the entire amphitheater into a gentle sway.

By the end of “Separate Ways,” all comparisons between Perry and Pineda were lost. Holding the highest notes for much longer than Perry ever could, Pineda had eclipsed the former Journey frontman in both talent and enthusiasm. (OH, PLEASE!) He stalked the stage, belting out notes that beat back the wind, his black tresses flying, his every move cast on giant screens dwarfing the stage. It was near impossible to miss this thought: God freaking bless America. Where else can one go from Philippine nightclub singer to full-fledged U.S. rock idol virtually overnight? Eat your heart out Marky Mark, Arnel Pineda is the real Rock Star.

Even if you are of the mindset that Journey isn’t Journey without Perry, go see one of the band’s next 54 shows between now and October 10. You won’t be disappointed. The new kid seemed to draw the band’s veterans — Deen Castronovo on drums, Ross Valory on bass and Jonathan Cain on keys — into a happier place. They looked proud of their new addition and played with energy. (Granted, this was show No. 1 with another 54 to go in the next three months.)

Sprinkling several new tracks into a 20-song, hour-45 concert that went well past Fiddler’s lame 10:30 p.m. quiet time, the five-member Journey wore out a mostly graying crowd. New songs like “Change For The Better,” “Where Did I Lose Your Love” and a dedicated-to-the-fans “After All These Years” were eagerly embraced, probably because they didn’t stray too far from Journey’s tried-and-true strategy of marrying Schon’s licks with a soaring voice.

But nothing rivaled the crowd’s wave-your-cell-phone love for the hits. “Who’s Crying Now,” “Open Arms,” “Wheel In The Sky” and “Faithfully” kept the boomers grooving and Pineda — displaying obvious confidence in his range — urged the crowd to sing along, clumsily twirling the mic stand toward the audience.

With abundant awkward dancing and a light show that splashed onto glassy cubicle farms that flank the venue, it was sometimes easy to snicker. But the earnestness of the musicians on stage ended smarmy thoughts. The recent emergence of ’80s rock as something much more than cheesy nostalgia is floating the boats of more than a few Journey-era acts. Cheap Trick and Heart are part of Journey’s ambitious 55-show summer tour, which will likely sell out each stop.
It’s not a looking-back type tour, with an album’s worth of new music in the rotation and a new singer dashing any yearning for the Perry days. (Although the Wilson sisters of Heart did mostly dust off their oldy-but-goodies, and not very well either.)

The double-barreled encore started with “Don’t Stop Believin’,” which has enjoyed newfound vibrancy as the score of the epicly elusive final scene in “The Sopranos.” The final, piercing “Anyway You Want It” left the crowd ragged, hoarse and sated; looking like they got it exactly how they wanted it.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:57 pm
by Since 78
Holding the highest notes for much longer than Perry ever could,


Oh Shit!!

Image

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:09 pm
by Don
I think John Wenzel better be prepared for a few colorful emails to the editor :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:38 pm
by Since 78
Gunbot wrote:I think John Wenzel better be prepared for a few colorful emails to the editor :lol:


And maybe Police Protection? :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:17 pm
by MarcelJordan
Speaking of Perry, deos anyone know whether he did Don't Stop Believin' live like this? See secs 34-39 on this youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UoHXlEf2hc&feature=related

Quite the goosebumps for me. 8)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:28 pm
by Don
MarcelJordan wrote:Speaking of Perry, deos anyone know whether he did Don't Stop Believin' live like this? See secs 34-39 on this youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UoHXlEf2hc&feature=related

Quite the goosebumps for me. 8)


Third Show of the Escape tour, Best live version of "Don't Stop Believin" ever. When MTV started to air this video, Journey's album sales went through The roof. I saw them twice that year but they could never repeat that sterling performance of they song like they did that night in Tokyo. Steve and Neal wrote the song and that night they truly owned it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CNB1EUJg1-w

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:35 pm
by Jeremey
MarcelJordan wrote:Speaking of Perry, deos anyone know whether he did Don't Stop Believin' live like this? See secs 34-39 on this youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UoHXlEf2hc&feature=related

Quite the goosebumps for me. 8)


I actually clicked on this thinking it was a Perry video. After the first 10 words I knew better....

I love Arnel. Really, I do. But all the "Perry never sounded this good" bullshit is starting to make me nauseous.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:37 pm
by wednesday's child
Eeeeeeeeeyurgh.

Arnel's damn good, but "eclipsing" Perry?? Making fans forget about Perry??
Whatever drugs that article's writer is on, he needs to lower the dosage.
Or raise.

-wech

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:42 pm
by Don
Jeremey wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:Speaking of Perry, deos anyone know whether he did Don't Stop Believin' live like this? See secs 34-39 on this youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UoHXlEf2hc&feature=related

Quite the goosebumps for me. 8)


I actually clicked on this thinking it was a Perry video. After the first 10 words I knew better....

I love Arnel. Really, I do. But all the "Perry never sounded this good" bullshit is starting to make me nauseous.


The youtube videos are great until you look at the comments and then it takes a little bit of luster off the performance you are watching.
Hopefully it's just a phase that will pass.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:43 pm
by annie89509
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think John Wenzel better be prepared for a few colorful emails to the editor :lol:


And maybe Police Protection? :lol: :lol:

No, he should be sent this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vJElLyOL4

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HM-jJjXJLw

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:47 pm
by Jeremey
annie89509 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think John Wenzel better be prepared for a few colorful emails to the editor :lol:


And maybe Police Protection? :lol: :lol:

No, he should be sent this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vJElLyOL4

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HM-jJjXJLw



Ooof. Not sure about that last video unless it was edited for content. Couldn't make it through the first 20 seconds.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:54 pm
by Don
Jeremey wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think John Wenzel better be prepared for a few colorful emails to the editor :lol:


And maybe Police Protection? :lol: :lol:

No, he should be sent this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vJElLyOL4

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HM-jJjXJLw



Ooof. Not sure about that last video unless it was edited for content. Couldn't make it through the first 20 seconds.


It was edited. It had Steve hitting highs from "Dead or Alive", "Do you recall" and a few others

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:54 pm
by MarcelJordan
annie89509 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think John Wenzel better be prepared for a few colorful emails to the editor :lol:


And maybe Police Protection? :lol: :lol:

No, he should be sent this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vJElLyOL4

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HM-jJjXJLw


I think you should do that. He might quit his job altogether...in shame. 8)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:02 pm
by MarcelJordan
Jeremey wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:Speaking of Perry, deos anyone know whether he did Don't Stop Believin' live like this? See secs 34-39 on this youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UoHXlEf2hc&feature=related

Quite the goosebumps for me. 8)


I actually clicked on this thinking it was a Perry video. After the first 10 words I knew better....

I love Arnel. Really, I do. But all the "Perry never sounded this good" bullshit is starting to make me nauseous.


Obviously the guy hasn't seen Perry during those younger years. He's wrong, but since he's been to this particular show, he decides to lay it all on the line. He's just blown away by the performance I guess.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:10 pm
by ymsf
Awesome review. We need more of those.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:18 pm
by Don
The Captured album and Houston DVD should be required prerequisites for anyone doing a professional review of a live Journey show.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:19 pm
by Gin and Tonic Sky
MarcelJordan wrote:

Obviously the guy hasn't seen Perry during those younger years. He's wrong, but since he's been to this particular show, he decides to lay it all on the line. He's just blown away by the performance I guess.


Exactly- I took a new Journey fan along with me to the Cardiff concert. He went on an on about how great Arnel was on the night, how he nailed everything perfectly . Two days later he sad to me ," I gotta buy some Journey CD's now. Which ones got Perry on them, becasue those are the ones I want to hear"

the more Arnel is compared to Perry the more interest it creates in Perry. It doesnt matter what profession you are in music sports, business, etc - the World will always rightfully heap plaudits on excellence- however it will only remember what is distinctive AND excellent . The more people describe Arnel as Perryesque or better than Perry, they righfully recognise the excellence, they deemphasise any distinctiveness he has -bad for Arnel long term. fifteen years from now Perry will be the one remembered.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:22 pm
by Loneman1
Perry obviously takes the cake when it comes to performing this song....as stated above, he co-wrote the damn thing! But Arnel is putting his own spin on it, and frankly I love it!!! Will it ever be as popular with everyone as the one we all know...that is a big NO. But I personally like the fact that Arnel is changing the delivery of a few of Journey's signature songs. He really is sort of making them his own in a different way by putting his own twist on them.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:03 pm
by MarcelJordan
Loneman1 wrote:Perry obviously takes the cake when it comes to performing this song....as stated above, he co-wrote the damn thing! But Arnel is putting his own spin on it, and frankly I love it!!! Will it ever be as popular with everyone as the one we all know...that is a big NO. But I personally like the fact that Arnel is changing the delivery of a few of Journey's signature songs. He really is sort of making them his own in a different way by putting his own twist on them.


Well said. 8)

That's also why Perry is likely not really moved by the goings on. His legacy is set. Arnel however, has shown that he's not merely one dimensional and willing to do something different. Which is a good thing.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:31 pm
by Loneman1
Yup. I can't wait to see where the guys go with Arnel. I'm pretty sure the success of "Revelation" has taken them ALL by surprise. I knew the album was good, but damn.....this thing has some serious legs. :D

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:42 pm
by Shadowsong
Arnels voice is impressive
I have heard some new heights & twists
Arnel has crystal highs
I have gotten some goosebumps
Wishing him the best
He's the goose with golden voice now

:lol:

I just hate the whole comparison deal
as the voice is something so personal
There's very little seperation between the person & his voice.

Drums you dampen
choose different heads & cymbals
Guitars Gibson Les Paul whatever
but the voice you have
is the voice you were born with
helped along with vocal exercises & proper use etc
The voice is straight from your heart & spills from your lips

I wouldn't even begin to start comparing the singers.
The new stuff is good
Arnels voice well matched to signature sound
but my musical tastes have grown & evolved.
I've just grown disinterested in Journey.
I won't be going out of my way to take in a show
that's for sure but
Glad its meeting with success & the band is happy.
Anyway they've chosen there road
So I wish them well on there journey

I have grown to appreciate a deeper resonance
like the sea
rich & full
it's heart reaching forever wide
floating you in it's bouyant depths
under a canopy of stars whose eyes are forever

Oh well
time for bed
:lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:01 pm
by Loneman1
Cool, Shadowsong. 8)

But I have to ask you.....you don't find Arnel's voice to be rich and full? What's missing? If anything, I think his voice is more heartfelt than Perry's during the later years. Arnel sings these songs with his own "flavor" if you will, as well as a whole hell of a lot of heart....and probably a little more passion behind the vocals in addition to the stuff I mentioned earlier in the thread.

Re: Denver Post Review

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:51 pm
by Saint John
Barb wrote:Sprinkling several new tracks into a 20-song, hour-45 concert that went well past Fiddler’s lame 10:30 p.m. quiet time, the five-member Journey wore out a mostly graying crowd. New songs like “Change For The Better,” “Where Did I Lose Your Love” and a dedicated-to-the-fans “After All These Years” were eagerly embraced, probably because they didn’t stray too far from Journey’s tried-and-true strategy of marrying Schon’s licks with a soaring voice.


Some of us have been saying this all along. So much for the concept of a "new direction." That would have been a one way ticket to retirement.

Re: Denver Post Review

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:32 pm
by mistiejourney
Saint John wrote:
Barb wrote:Sprinkling several new tracks into a 20-song, hour-45 concert that went well past Fiddler’s lame 10:30 p.m. quiet time, the five-member Journey wore out a mostly graying crowd. New songs like “Change For The Better,” “Where Did I Lose Your Love” and a dedicated-to-the-fans “After All These Years” were eagerly embraced, probably because they didn’t stray too far from Journey’s tried-and-true strategy of marrying Schon’s licks with a soaring voice.


Some of us have been saying this all along. So much for the concept of a "new direction." That would have been a one way ticket to retirement.


And it's why they can put four-five new songs in the set and have them fit!

I do have to laugh - so far poor Arnel has (a) Perry's voice, (b) Augeri's leather pants and all he needs is (c) JSS' curly hair and we will have a complete comparison.

Give him a year and folks will start appreciating him for being Arnel. and not just a clone. There's a man behind that voice and I'm not sure we've really seen who he is!

These better-than-Perry reviews make them lose credibility with me. Make them hey-this-guy-sounds-great-because-he's-really-good (or not, depending on the opinion) reviews and I am more likely to think the reviewer knows what they are talking about.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:26 pm
by Michigan Girl
Jeremey wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:Speaking of Perry, deos anyone know whether he did Don't Stop Believin' live like this? See secs 34-39 on this youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UoHXlEf2hc&feature=related

Quite the goosebumps for me. 8)


I actually clicked on this thinking it was a Perry video. After the first 10 words I knew better....

I love Arnel. Really, I do. But all the "Perry never sounded this good" bullshit is starting to make me nauseous.


ME TOO!!!!! :wink:

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:29 pm
by epresley
I think that some of these reviews are trying to emphasize how good Arnel is and are coming off as slamming Steve Perry. He can't and won't ever be replaced, but I'm glad Arnel is killing. Better/worse than Steve? Doesn't matter really, I'm just glad Journey is doing so well these days. :D

Re: Denver Post Review

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:54 pm
by lights1961
Barb wrote:http://blogs.denverpost.com/reverb/2008/07/14/journey-fiddlers-green-amphitheatre/

Arnel Pineda had some big shoes to fill Wednesday. And by the end of his second-ever American concert as the new crooner for Journey, most of the 18,000 crammed into Fiddler’s Green Amphitheatre had forgotten Steve Perry.

With perfect pitch, power and amazing resonance, Pineda floored a crowd that probably arrived ready to pine for Perry. A few months ago Pineda was a somewhat popular performer in Manila, singing an occasional Journey cover in a local band. By Wednesday night, he was an American rock star with a swooning crowd hanging on his perfectly tenored voice.

Opening with a fresh cut off Journey’s new three-disc “Revelations” release — “Never Walk Away” — Pineda showed he could carry an even higher pitch than Perry’s trademark wail. The 40-year-old, who speaks halting English, merges a Freddie Mercury smoothness with a David Lee Roth rocker style to create his own version of Perry.

Donning leather pants :lol: and shoulder-length locks a la Perry circa 1980, Pineda chattered nervously after the first song, even admitting his anxiety before diving into a rousing “Only the Young.” Neal Schon, the founding member of the 33-year-old band who discovered Pineda while searching YouTube for a potential singer, worked through a technical glitch in the first few tunes to reach an exploding “Stone In Love.”

Schon, sporting a leather vest and looking more than a little like James Caan’s Sonny Corleone, is a gifted guitarist with powerful riffs that helped define the emerging genre of arena rock in the early ’70s. And still today, Schon’s signature Gibson can cull melodies from within the deepest jams. Wednesday night’s midset jam on the 12-string mandolin was soulful and complex, coaxing the entire amphitheater into a gentle sway.

By the end of “Separate Ways,” all comparisons between Perry and Pineda were lost. Holding the highest notes for much longer than Perry ever could, Pineda had eclipsed the former Journey frontman in both talent and enthusiasm. (OH, PLEASE!) He stalked the stage, belting out notes that beat back the wind, his black tresses flying, his every move cast on giant screens dwarfing the stage. It was near impossible to miss this thought: God freaking bless America. Where else can one go from Philippine nightclub singer to full-fledged U.S. rock idol virtually overnight? Eat your heart out Marky Mark, Arnel Pineda is the real Rock Star.

Even if you are of the mindset that Journey isn’t Journey without Perry, go see one of the band’s next 54 shows between now and October 10. You won’t be disappointed. The new kid seemed to draw the band’s veterans — Deen Castronovo on drums, Ross Valory on bass and Jonathan Cain on keys — into a happier place. They looked proud of their new addition and played with energy. (Granted, this was show No. 1 with another 54 to go in the next three months.)

Sprinkling several new tracks into a 20-song, hour-45 concert that went well past Fiddler’s lame 10:30 p.m. quiet time, the five-member Journey wore out a mostly graying crowd. New songs like “Change For The Better,” “Where Did I Lose Your Love” and a dedicated-to-the-fans “After All These Years” were eagerly embraced, probably because they didn’t stray too far from Journey’s tried-and-true strategy of marrying Schon’s licks with a soaring voice.

But nothing rivaled the crowd’s wave-your-cell-phone love for the hits. “Who’s Crying Now,” “Open Arms,” “Wheel In The Sky” and “Faithfully” kept the boomers grooving and Pineda — displaying obvious confidence in his range — urged the crowd to sing along, clumsily twirling the mic stand toward the audience.

With abundant awkward dancing and a light show that splashed onto glassy cubicle farms that flank the venue, it was sometimes easy to snicker. But the earnestness of the musicians on stage ended smarmy thoughts. The recent emergence of ’80s rock as something much more than cheesy nostalgia is floating the boats of more than a few Journey-era acts. Cheap Trick and Heart are part of Journey’s ambitious 55-show summer tour, which will likely sell out each stop.
It’s not a looking-back type tour, with an album’s worth of new music in the rotation and a new singer dashing any yearning for the Perry days. (Although the Wilson sisters of Heart did mostly dust off their oldy-but-goodies, and not very well either.)

The double-barreled encore started with “Don’t Stop Believin’,” which has enjoyed newfound vibrancy as the score of the epicly elusive final scene in “The Sopranos.” The final, piercing “Anyway You Want It” left the crowd ragged, hoarse and sated; looking like they got it exactly how they wanted it.


JOURNEY NEVER GOT THIS GOOD A REVIEW WHEN THEY TOURED WITH PERRY!! that is amazing and crazy!!! Remember how sappy faithfully was set up as...back in 1983???

Rick

I'm shocked that they haven't yet used the term...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:26 am
by ttango1
Corporate Rock. Since it was so prevalent during the early 80's.

Arnel kicks ass. Steve Perry kicks ass.

The only argument that I've seen just as passionate is Kobe Bryant vs. Michael Jordan. Jordan is better :)

But when it comes to AP vs SP, I look at it I appreciate both their gifts in their time with the band :)

Re: I'm shocked that they haven't yet used the term...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:29 am
by Michigan Girl
ttango1 wrote:Corporate Rock. Since it was so prevalent during the early 80's.

Arnel kicks ass. Steve Perry kicks ass.

The only argument that I've seen just as passionate is Kobe Bryant vs. Michael Jordan. Jordan is better :)

But when it comes to AP vs SP, I look at it I appreciate both their gifts in their time with the band :)


Do you appreaciate both MJ and KB's gifts??? :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:29 am
by sniper16
first im not a perry loon
im glad hes not in the band because they would be dead, or a crooner set now.
but saying they never sounded this good, is stupid
arnel may be good but perry was one of the greats in his day,and even if you think arnel is better
he truly cant be a great, without doing his own stuff.
as for comparisons thier inevitable.. live with it
and for a new direction
we bitch when they change direction, we bitch when they stay similar.
i for one dont want to hear my favorite bands totally change they sound , maybe just tweek it.
sounds like he liked them
rock on neal & Co