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Why aren't Journey shooting videos for Never Walk Away and After All These Years?

Last one they did was When You Love A Woman with Perry and they had bunch of singles from TBF, Armageddon OST, Arrival and Generations afterwards... Are they so afraid to lose some money on videos?

Since early 80's, most of relevant artists shoot videos to get in rotation on music channels and help that way to keep momentum in charts...
Since Journey are on Billboard, I doubt their videos would be left unaired... This isn't 1992-95. anymore, you know...

Look up to Aerosmith in 90's, and show some pretty girls on videos... Alicia Silverstone and Liv Tyler helped them a lot with showing up in Crazy, Crying and Amazing... Before that, in 80's, Tawny Kitaen helped Whitesnake a lot with showing up in Here I Go Again, Is This Love, Still Of The Night and The Deeper The Love videos...

Who's backing the idea?

Maro wrote:Why aren't Journey shooting videos for Never Walk Away and After All These Years?

Last one they did was When You Love A Woman with Perry and they had bunch of singles from TBF, Armageddon OST, Arrival and Generations afterwards... Are they so afraid to lose some money on videos?

Since early 80's, most of relevant artists shoot videos to get in rotation on music channels and help that way to keep momentum in charts...
Since Journey are on Billboard, I doubt their videos would be left unaired... This isn't 1992-95. anymore, you know...

Look up to Aerosmith in 90's, and show some pretty girls on videos... Alicia Silverstone and Liv Tyler helped them a lot with showing up in Crazy, Crying and Amazing... Before that, in 80's, Tawny Kitaen helped Whitesnake a lot with showing up in Here I Go Again, Is This Love, Still Of The Night and The Deeper The Love videos...

Who's backing the idea?

Usually the label foots the bill on videos. And since the label is technically Wal-Mart, probably wasn't budgeted for. Just a guess. Plus all of the previous video's suck, so not anything I'd look forward to.

Onestepper wrote:Usually the label foots the bill on videos. And since the label is technically Wal-Mart, probably wasn't budgeted for. Just a guess. Plus all of the previous video's suck, so not anything I'd look forward to.

Eagles also were on Wal-mart with their last album, but they still made two videos: How Long and Busy Being Fabulous...

Nobody is expecting Journey to made videos for almost every song on album (like very popular artist Rihanna), but at least After All These Years deserves to be on music channels... What a heck, if it's too expensive for their pockets, they can always licence a video one fan made and put on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SswnbpA2qZ0

Because videos are expensive and MTV and VH1 will not play them from old bands unless they are U2. It's a big expense for something that might never see the light of day.

They have a video now for Never Walk Away- It's the live shot from the DVD. VH1 can use ANY of that stuff. Are they? Nope. Mtv and VH1 don't care enough to play videos. They interfere with their "reality" (my a$$) shows.

Maro wrote:

Onestepper wrote:Usually the label foots the bill on videos. And since the label is technically Wal-Mart, probably wasn't budgeted for. Just a guess. Plus all of the previous video's suck, so not anything I'd look forward to.

Eagles also were on Wal-mart with their last album, but they still made two videos: How Long and Busy Being Fabulous...

Never saw either.

Maro wrote:

Onestepper wrote:Usually the label foots the bill on videos. And since the label is technically Wal-Mart, probably wasn't budgeted for. Just a guess. Plus all of the previous video's suck, so not anything I'd look forward to.

Eagles also were on Wal-mart with their last album, but they still made two videos: How Long and Busy Being Fabulous...

Nobody is expecting Journey to made videos for almost every song on album (like very popular artist Rihanna), but at least After All These Years deserves to be on music channels... What a heck, if it's too expensive for their pockets, they can always licence a video one fan made and put on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SswnbpA2qZ0

Yeah I was gonna reference the Eagles. Not sure where the difference is, except that I've never heard anyone in the band say good things about making a video.

Journey has historically avoided the "story-line" vid....... TBF was as close as they came to it after the "Separate Ways"and "Chain Reaction" vids

In an interview they did in Japan during the ROR tour - they talked about how those types of videos were usually the video director's vision of the song and did not match theirs and probably not the fans.

They felt that by using mostly concert footage, the fans could still imagine their own story line to the song.

Cat

brywool wrote:Because videos are expensive and MTV and VH1 will not play them from old bands unless they are U2. It's a big expense for something that might never see the light of day.

They have a video now for Never Walk Away- It's the live shot from the DVD. VH1 can use ANY of that stuff. Are they? Nope. Mtv and VH1 don't care enough to play videos. They interfere with their "reality" (my a$$) shows.

And there you have it, and there you are.

Made by a fan but cool nonetheless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfU3Fuj8ZQs&NR=1

brywool wrote:Because videos are expensive and MTV and VH1 will not play them from old bands unless they are U2. It's a big expense for something that might never see the light of day.

They have a video now for Never Walk Away- It's the live shot from the DVD. VH1 can use ANY of that stuff. Are they? Nope. Mtv and VH1 don't care enough to play videos. They interfere with their "reality" (my a$$) shows.

All that, plus... well... they were never really very good at it.

This Jerry guy had really good concept with After All These Years video...
If only Journey guys were in video with their wifes/girlfriends...

bluejeangirl76 wrote:All that, plus... well... they were never really very good at it.

With infamous ideas such as the "falling outside a window with Perry alone in a chair"... or "Neal and Perry fight over a mannequin on a checkerboard"... or "invisible airkeys on a warehouse wall"... or "Perry's erratic Elaine dancing in WYLAW"... or the "rainbow effect off Rolie's nuts a la Lights"... dare I continue?

Maro wrote:Why aren't Journey shooting videos for Never Walk Away and After All These Years?

Last one they did was When You Love A Woman with Perry and they had bunch of singles from TBF, Armageddon OST, Arrival and Generations afterwards... Are they so afraid to lose some money on videos?

Since early 80's, most of relevant artists shoot videos to get in rotation on music channels and help that way to keep momentum in charts...
Since Journey are on Billboard, I doubt their videos would be left unaired... This isn't 1992-95. anymore, you know...

Look up to Aerosmith in 90's, and show some pretty girls on videos... Alicia Silverstone and Liv Tyler helped them a lot with showing up in Crazy, Crying and Amazing... Before that, in 80's, Tawny Kitaen helped Whitesnake a lot with showing up in Here I Go Again, Is This Love, Still Of The Night and The Deeper The Love videos...

Who's backing the idea?

Aside from all the excellent points made above me, the 90s might as well have been a hundred years ago in music years. Grunge has come and gone, major labels are going fast, and music has arguably come and gone as far as mainstream goes. I don't need to have them shoot videos anyway.

Rhiannon wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:All that, plus... well... they were never really very good at it.

With infamous ideas such as the "falling outside a window with Perry alone in a chair"... or "Neal and Perry fight over a mannequin on a checkerboard"... or "invisible airkeys on a warehouse wall"... or "Perry's erratic Elaine dancing in WYLAW"... or the "rainbow effect off Rolie's nuts a la Lights"... dare I continue?

Well, they did have one good moment... those tiny little black pants... Sweet dreams are made of this.

But as to the mannequin... Neal trying to make out with it was way worse.

CatEyes wrote:In an interview they did in Japan during the ROR tour - they talked about how those types of videos were usually the video director's vision of the song and did not match theirs and probably not the fans.

Obviously they had a business with bunch of amateurs...
Russell Mulcahy is a man for the job... he made wonders for Duran Duran, Elton John and Spandau Ballet back in 80's...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Mulcahy

Man is a genius.

Great question, Ive wondered the same. AATY should have been made. VH1 would play it.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

brywool wrote:Because videos are expensive and MTV and VH1 will not play them from old bands unless they are U2. It's a big expense for something that might never see the light of day.

They have a video now for Never Walk Away- It's the live shot from the DVD. VH1 can use ANY of that stuff. Are they? Nope. Mtv and VH1 don't care enough to play videos. They interfere with their "reality" (my a$$) shows.

All that, plus... well... they were never really very good at it.

Their live videos are the best. Story videos suck and theirs were particularly bad. Horrendous. They're too old to act in videos with young chicks and look cool. They'd look foolish. But live, you can't beat them. If it didn't sell albums, it'd get peeps to their shows.

other than Mulcahy, here are also some names that can make fine videos:

David Mallet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mallet_(director)

David Fincher
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fincher

Jean-Baptiste Mondino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Mondino

Mary Lambert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Lambert

Steve Barron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Barron

Rhiannon wrote: "Perry's erratic Elaine dancing in WYLAW"...

That was an excellent video though - pure class.

My favorite part is where Perry gets the fuck outta the way for Neal's solo though.

Funny thing... looks like Frontiers Records aren't really thinking that videos are too expensive and obsolete...

Couple of examples:

Over The Edge feat. Mickey Thomas - One World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0XVCJFDABI

From The Inside feat. Danny Vaughn - Nothin' At All
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia-wvacm8uA

Vertigo feat. Joseph Williams - More Than Enough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLdXoUUF6Ko

Seventh Key - An Ocean Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ff5mO3JFdI

Seventh Key - Always From The Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7hzNI-V36M

Steve Lukather - Ever Changing Times
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO7e4bYVvaU

Pride Of Lions - Sound Of Home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoQP3Vk-jTo

Big J wrote:

Rhiannon wrote: "Perry's erratic Elaine dancing in WYLAW"...

That was an excellent video though - pure class.

My favorite part is where Perry gets the fuck outta the way for Neal's solo though.

It's better than getting his assed kicked I suppose.

And two familiar faces...

Jeff Scott Soto - Eyes Of Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS3-FgVL-U8

Jeff Scott Soto - Holding On
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xpNofQtE3I

Jeff Scott Soto - Believe In Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNoeAmHXpGE

John Waite - Missing You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6VpBIs73bs

Saint John wrote:

Big J wrote:

Rhiannon wrote: "Perry's erratic Elaine dancing in WYLAW"...

That was an excellent video though - pure class.

My favorite part is where Perry gets the fuck outta the way for Neal's solo though.

It's better than getting his assed kicked I suppose.

I don't know about now though. A few years ago Perry was looking like he just stepped off the Reservation. He might be packin' tomahawks or some other lethal shit in his drawers.

Gunbot wrote:lethal shit in his drawers.

This was all that really needed to be said.

There is no need for Journey to even appear in the video. But it would work better if they did. They could still do "performance" parts edited in to a story vid "starring" someone else. They could also tskee the DVD footage and spice it up with some simple effects. Maybe edit in some tour footage or studio footage. You KNOW they have more video recorded.

Videos don't have to be expensive, they are certainly cheaper today than they were in the 80's-90's. But the band really is not hurting by not having a video. I think it could help, it certainly wouldn't hurt. And they should not be made thinking about eMpTyV. But the www has plenty of video outlets and it would be good to have access to a Journey video. Just the Journey MySpace friends list embedding an official video on their pages would do a LOT.

jrnyman28 wrote:But the www has plenty of video outlets and it would be good to have access to a Journey video. Just the Journey MySpace friends list embedding an official video on their pages would do a LOT.

I agree with you... for example, look what Survivor did with their old videos on myspace

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =139302835

and compare it with Journey

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... id=5199721

Not bad, but video section is lacking... actually, there is one... now I realized it... Band Channel... cool...

Gunbot wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Big J wrote:

Rhiannon wrote: "Perry's erratic Elaine dancing in WYLAW"...

That was an excellent video though - pure class.

My favorite part is where Perry gets the fuck outta the way for Neal's solo though.

It's better than getting his assed kicked I suppose.

I don't know about now though. A few years ago Perry was looking like he just stepped off the Reservation. He might be packin' tomahawks or some other lethal shit in his drawers.

Somebody posted this photo of Perry and Buddy Hackett here once. Still the funniest post I ever saw.

Gunbot wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Big J wrote:

Rhiannon wrote: "Perry's erratic Elaine dancing in WYLAW"...

That was an excellent video though - pure class.

My favorite part is where Perry gets the fuck outta the way for Neal's solo though.

It's better than getting his assed kicked I suppose.

I don't know about now though. A few years ago Perry was looking like he just stepped off the Reservation. He might be packin' tomahawks or some other lethal shit in his drawers.

Gunbot - i love that chick in your AV - they should make a video with her............

Because the lighting in Videos makes their hair color look purple from all the coloring the gray out.

Their label is NoMoTa...

If I remember the story correctly... Walmart just wanted the re-records, Journey mgmt (Azzoff) negotiated the additional disc of new material, then the Vegas show was also added.

Most likely Walmart wasn't interested in footing the bill for a video.