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I am once again nauseated by the hypocrisy of George W. Bush and the GOP. They invade Iraq, a sovereign country that posed no credible threat to the USA or its allies. Now when Russia does the same thing to its neighbor Georgia, they condemn the Russian leadership and command them to retreat. Why the double standard? Does Bush really think the rest of the world is going to take him seriously?

Let's give the Right Wing the benefit of the doubt for a moment and use the debunked excuse that Iraq posed a credible threat to the world community, but Georgia doesn't. That still doesn't hold water. The GOP agenda focuses on policing the world, but only when it comes to bullying smaller countries like Iraq that have weak militaries - not big boys like Russia or China. Iraq invaded its neighbor Kuwait on Bush #1's watch... so we attacked them. Russia does the same to its neighbor Georgia, and they get off with a stern warning. That cannot be labeled anything other than pure hypocrisy.

We cannot keep on policing the world like this, and I hope that it stops with the next president (but don't bet on it if McCain gets elected). If we continue to get involved in the conflicts of other nations whenever a dispute breaks out, one of these times we're going to get in over our head. Bush and the GOP need to focus on the problems within the USA and work to defend us against REAL threats to OUR country. Why is it that the USA is the only country that gets into other nation's business? Why is the Bush administration so arrogant to think that it is our job to be the police officers of the world to begin with? Who gave him that authority?

Voyager wrote:I am once again nauseated by the hypocrisy of George W. Bush and the GOP.

Oh, it was only Bush and the GOP that voted for the action with nary a democrat vote huh? Wrong!

Voyager wrote:They invade Iraq, a sovereign country that posed no credible threat to the USA or its allies. Now when Russia does the same thing to its neighbor Georgia, they condemn the Russian leadership and command them to retreat. Why the double standard?

What holy United Nations resolutions have Georgia been told they must meet, much less violated? ZERO. Russia invaded Georgia in what's probably a first step in rebuilding the USSR and robbing the people of Georgia of it's precious freedom, while the US is currently working on a withdrawl date after helping rebuild the nation of Iraq and gov't and giving them that same freedom. Yeah exactly the same thing.

Voyager wrote:The GOP agenda focuses on policing the world, but only when it comes to bullying smaller countries like Iraq that have weak militaries - not big boys like Russia or China.

Revisionist history. You don't remember hearing all the stories of the vaunted Royal National Guard and how the US coalition would need 10,000 bodybags to take Baghdad?

Voyager wrote:Iraq invaded its neighbor Kuwait on Bush #1's watch... so we attacked them. Russia does the same to its neighbor Georgia, and they get off with a stern warning. That cannot be labeled anything other than pure hypocrisy.

Oh, Bush uses diplomacy and now you squeal that what we need is some "cowboy" Bush action. This is just the beginning. We've only begun to see how this is going to play out.

Voyager wrote:If we continue to get involved in the conflicts of other nations whenever a dispute breaks out, one of these times we're going to get in over our head.

Weren't you one that was claiming that we already did that (getting in over our head) in Iraq? War not going bad enough for you to keep claiming that we're getting our clocks cleaned?

Voyager wrote:Why is the Bush administration so arrogant to think that it is our job to be the police officers of the world to begin with?

Yeah forget the fact that Georgia has it's soldiers shoulder to shoulder with the US in Iraq. When Georgia gets attacked we should then say "it's been nice workin' with ya" and kick their asses to the curb and have nothing to do with them. That's how Liberals treat their friends. God willing the US will NEVER adopt that liberal policy.

Voyager wrote: Who gave him that authority?:roll:

Firstly the American people. Then the US Congress, Not to mention the US Constitution.

Apples to oranges comparison. I knew it would only be a matter of time before people made this horribly flawed comparison.

Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

So that defense is a typical Right Wing spin tactic.....guess what? That dog hasn't barked in 7+ years, pal.

Sigh. You people. If right wingers/Bush are so dumb, then how the hell did they fool all the Democrats into voting for Iraq? You're not even on topic anyway.

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

Seems to me that if Simpson was guilty....he'd have been convicted.

and if Ray Lewis was guilty......and so on....

guilty people get off ALL THE TIME.

StocktontoMalone wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

Seems to me that if Simpson was guilty....he'd have been convicted.

and if Ray Lewis was guilty......and so on....

guilty people get off ALL THE TIME.

Again, apples to oranges.

Plus, be careful. A big part of the left-wing constituency reveled in the Simpson acquittal and viewed it as a victory.

Ehwmatt wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

Seems to me that if Simpson was guilty....he'd have been convicted.

and if Ray Lewis was guilty......and so on....

guilty people get off ALL THE TIME.

Again, apples to oranges.

Plus, be careful. A big part of the left-wing constituency reveled in the Simpson acquittal and viewed it as a victory.

Yep, those be the same people voting for Obama. And their transparent LONE reason for doing so.

Look, Putin and Medvedev are uber-Russian nationalists longing for the halcyon days of the Soviet Union. They have geared their entire political careers to attaining this goal. It's so obvious.

Partisanship aside, would you really be happy if we stood by and let them do this?

For one second, try and put aside your hatred for Bush and Iraq and the mean selfish Republicans, and think about it.

What do you think we should have done in the immediate wake of the Georgian invasion, if not treat Russia sternly as we have?

Should we let them do it? Should we tell them "Ok, take Georgia but leave the rest of the border states alone"? If you're so against this response, I'd assume you'd at least have some idea of an alternative answer.

StocktontoMalone wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

Seems to me that if Simpson was guilty....he'd have been convicted.

and if Ray Lewis was guilty......and so on....

guilty people get off ALL THE TIME.

Lame comparison. Dem's haven't brought a case in the first place. It'd take more evidence than what posted on the Daily Kos.

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

Seems to me that if Simpson was guilty....he'd have been convicted.

and if Ray Lewis was guilty......and so on....

guilty people get off ALL THE TIME.

Lame comparison. Dem's haven't brought a case in the first place. It'd take more evidence than what posted on the Daily Kos.

Well, you couple that with the evidence from The Huffington Post and you have an unbeatable case.

Georgia violated ABSOLUTELY NO United Nations sanctions that I am aware of, did they?

Anyway, from the looks of it, Russia is using this as an opportunity to flex their muscles and exert their influence over neighboring countries. The President of Georgia is one of the few pro-U.S. leaders in that area of the world and has done a ton of good things, especially in cleaning up government corruption. This is a FAR, FAR different situation in almost every way. On one hand, you have Iraq: a war mongering, terrorist supporting, destabilizing force. On the other you have Georgia: a country well on the way towards democracy and a free market economy, willing to give freedom a chance.

Ehwmatt wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

Seems to me that if Simpson was guilty....he'd have been convicted.

and if Ray Lewis was guilty......and so on....

guilty people get off ALL THE TIME.

Lame comparison. Dem's haven't brought a case in the first place. It'd take more evidence than what posted on the Daily Kos.

Well, you couple that with the evidence from The Huffington Post and you have an unbeatable case.

Oh yeah, and don't forget the Dixie Chicks' website.

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

Seems to me that if Simpson was guilty....he'd have been convicted.

and if Ray Lewis was guilty......and so on....

guilty people get off ALL THE TIME.

Lame comparison. Dem's haven't brought a case in the first place. It'd take more evidence than what posted on the Daily Kos.

Oh, you mean more evidence than, 'You invaded Kuwait on my Pappy's watch. Time for a dick-waving contest.'?

conversationpc wrote:Georgia violated ABSOLUTELY NO United Nations sanctions that I am aware of, did they?

Anyway, from the looks of it, Russia is using this as an opportunity to flex their muscles and exert their influence over neighboring countries. The President of Georgia is one of the few pro-U.S. leaders in that area of the world and has done a ton of good things, especially in cleaning up government corruption. This is a FAR, FAR different situation in almost every way. On one hand, you have Iraq: a war mongering, terrorist supporting, destabilizing force. On the other you have Georgia: a country well on the way towards democracy and a free market economy, willing to give freedom a chance.

Like I said, an apples to oranges comparison. Complete fallacious thinking and it was so obvious that this "critique" would be coming as soon as the crisis unfolded. Fucking lame.

StocktontoMalone wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Yep.....Democrats DID vote to invade Iraq.....based on trumped up intel....made possible by a grant from the Bush Admin.

Wow, that's an "impeachable" accusation. Seems like if it was true the democrat control congress would have no problem getting him impeached and tarring the GOP with it. If it was true of course.

Seems to me that if Simpson was guilty....he'd have been convicted.

and if Ray Lewis was guilty......and so on....

guilty people get off ALL THE TIME.

Lame comparison. Dem's haven't brought a case in the first place. It'd take more evidence than what posted on the Daily Kos.

Oh, you mean more evidence than, 'You invaded Kuwait on my Pappy's watch. Time for a dick-waving contest.'?

Dude, please don't copy and paste Daily Kos stuff here.

StocktontoMalone wrote:Oh, you mean more evidence than, 'You invaded Kuwait on my Pappy's watch. Time for a dick-waving contest.'?

Hmm, if that was the evidence they presented, then maybe we should all be thinking a little bit more about who we vote into our Congress.

And I have no shame is saying I bet Bush knew about the attack on 9/11, and let it happen just to get into a war....

Churchhill did it in WWII so we would get into the war.....I believe Bush did as well.

StocktontoMalone wrote:And I have no shame is saying I bet Bush knew about the attack on 9/11, and let it happen just to get into a war....

Churchhill did it in WWII so we would get into the war.....I believe Bush did as well.

Ridiculous and absolutely NO evidence for it. If you're going to believe in a conspiracy, at least find one with some evidence to support it.

StocktontoMalone wrote:And I have no shame is saying I bet Bush knew about the attack on 9/11, and let it happen just to get into a war....

Churchhill did it in WWII so we would get into the war.....I believe Bush did as well.

And I have no shame in saying I bet the Clintons have had all those people killed.

And that Obama is actually Michelle's terrorist mentor.

Gimme a break. I didn't know Michael Moore was a Journey fan. Seemed more like the Dylan type.

Stop posting unless you have something intellectual to contribute. Loon conspiracy theories don't count.

Ehwmatt wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:And I have no shame is saying I bet Bush knew about the attack on 9/11, and let it happen just to get into a war....

Churchhill did it in WWII so we would get into the war.....I believe Bush did as well.

And I have no shame in saying I bet the Clintons have had all those people killed.

And that Obama is actually Michelle's terrorist mentor.

Gimme a break. I didn't know Michael Moore was a Journey fan. Seemed more like the Dylan type.

Stop posting unless you have something intellectual to contribute. Loon conspiracy theories don't count.

And just who made YOU moderator for all that is intelligent?

StocktontoMalone wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:And I have no shame is saying I bet Bush knew about the attack on 9/11, and let it happen just to get into a war....

Churchhill did it in WWII so we would get into the war.....I believe Bush did as well.

And I have no shame in saying I bet the Clintons have had all those people killed.

And that Obama is actually Michelle's terrorist mentor.

Gimme a break. I didn't know Michael Moore was a Journey fan. Seemed more like the Dylan type.

Stop posting unless you have something intellectual to contribute. Loon conspiracy theories don't count.

And just who made YOU moderator for all that is intelligent?

You did, by virtue of your contributions to this thread so far.

Hey, I try.......

I'm actually apolitical, areligical, and ajackass.....

StocktontoMalone wrote:Hey, I try.......

I'm actually apolitical, areligical, and ajackass.....

Bingo!

Ehwmatt wrote:What do you think we should have done in the immediate wake of the Georgian invasion, if not treat Russia sternly as we have?

Absolutely nothing. What is China doing about it? What are our allies in Europe doing about it? What is Canada and Mexico doing about it? Why do we have to lead? Why can't we wait and see what other countries do about it?

We don't have enough handcuffs left in our arsenal to do any more policing of the world. It's time for us to mind our own business.

conversationpc wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Hey, I try.......

I'm actually apolitical, areligical, and ajackass.....

Bingo!

You just hush! I have one word for you.....



LAME!

Isolationism didn't work before. No way it would work now.

If I had my druthers, that's what we would do - NOTHING. But it's just not realistic.

Voyager wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:What do you think we should have done in the immediate wake of the Georgian invasion, if not treat Russia sternly as we have?

Absolutely nothing. What is China doing about it? What are our allies in Europe doing about it? What is Canada and Mexico doing about it? Why do we have to lead? Why can't we wait and see what other countries do about it?

We don't have enough handcuffs left in our arsenal to do any more policing of the world. It's time for us to mind our own business.

Pacifist!!!

StocktontoMalone wrote:You just hush! I have one word for you.....



LAME!

Not lame = Ghosts, Inside of Me, House on Fire, I Counted on Love, The Preacher, Rainmaker, The Bells of Saint James