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I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry. What I mean by that is, it finally looks like Journey has a "lead singer" again and not some hired hand. Even Steve A never looked or sounded as a good a fit with the band compared to Arnel in my opinion.

I was looking at some JSS videos with Journey, and (as good as he is) he just for some weird reason just doesn't "look" like someone who would be fronting Journey. I don't know if the physical look has something to do with it? Both SteveP and SteveA and Arnel are not the most masculine guys in the world, kind of a softer look about them, perhaps you need that high tenor voice with a softer look to make it click "hey...that's the Journey lead singer look". ? ? ?

I'm still blown away by how far Arnel has come in only a short period of time. I'm starting to wonder if Neal planned this a long time before it was announced. Secretly having Arnel work on the songs, etc, etc.

And speaking of Perry, with his ego as large as it is, there is simply no way he would come back if he couldn't sing better than the current lead singer of Journey. And let's face it, at near 60 years old, he can't compete with Arnel. I feel sorry for him, because if he did have plans for a come back, they were probably shattered when he heard Arnel perform with Journey.

I fail to see why the comparison still has to be made. This is merely digging up old wounds among some fans and quite honestly, I don't agree.

Arnel is a wonderful soul and a truly gifted performer and singer and more power to him for living his dream with one of America's most iconic melodic rock acts.

Perry is out of the picture due to his own decisions and that's fine by me as long as he is happy. It is disappointing for me personally that I don't get to hear him sing anymore - with J or solo...but that's his call.

NO ONE singer will cause me to forget the man's legacy or history in this band and I don't think Arnel would like anyone to make such a statement. He has already shown himself to be humble and accepting of his role and I for one hope that continues and he stays heathy and happy.

Hmmm. I do and (mostly) don't agree with you.

Hopefully Arnel will continue with Journey, and the combination will be succesful. And I certainly hope that he will be able to make his own mark beyond being 'a bit/a lot like Steve Perry'. But he's never going to remove the very large shadow SP casts. Not because he's not a good singer, but because, quite simply, the most successful Journey has ever been was with Steve Perry. I live in Australia - I'm not able to see the current line up perform. Even in the States, the vast majoriy of people who like Journey's music (but aren't hard core fans) won't see them perform. I'm sure Arnel puts on a mind-blowing performance, and I'd love to hear him record more new stuff with Journey. But the fact is, there are a hell of a lot more people who own a few Journey records or like the Journey songs that they remember from the radio than there will ever be of people who give a shit who is in the line-up.

The bulk of the music I have from Journey has Steve Perry's voice. There are a hell of a lot of women (and I'm sure quite a few guys) who remember teenage crushes on SP, even if they never buy another Journey/SP album in their lives, and Arnel will never mean anything to them. There are a hell of a lot of kids who grew up listening to their parents' Journey albums, who don't give a shit about the current line-up, but who can spot SP's voice in a second. Want to find out more about this band 'Journey' you've just discovered? Go online and search - and I guarantee you'll find far more about Perry than any other band member! It's hard to find a single article on-line that doesn't at least reference SP. It's not that Arnel isn't good, or even brilliant, but the plain fact is for 30 odd years, the majority of people have associated Steve Perry with Journey. 10 years with Augeri didn't change it, two years with Arnel won't change it. It's not about who is the better singer, or performer, it's about who most people remember. Most people remember Steve Perry as the lead singer of Journey, even though it's been well over a decade since he did anything with him. The guy is indelibly linked, and it's not going to go away.

That doesn't detract from what Arnel is doing, or how good he is. But most people aren't Journey fans, they just might like a few songs the band have done. Seriously - ask around, get people to name a Journey song. Bet you get 'Don't Stop Believing' most, then 'Faithfully' or 'Open Arms'. Ask them who the lead singer is, you'll either get a blank look, or 'Steve Perry' (maybe 'didn't it used to be Steve Perry?'). From us fans, no, but from the general public, that's how it is. And Journey is going to have to better their success of the 70s and 80s to make the face, voice and name that people associate Journey with change from Perry to Pineda.

It's got nothing to do with who is the better singer, and everything to do with how the general public remember things.


Oh, and to add fuel to the fire - Steve is never going to go back to Journey and it's got nothing to do with who their singer is, how good he is, how old SP is or what condition his voice is in. It's very simple - you don't go to bed with your ex unless you really want to see things get fucked up. The divorce was pretty final. They might end up friends again one day - unlikely, but who knows - but the decree was definately absolute!

I'm too tired to debate EVERYTHING you've said, but SP fading.........
NEVER!!!!

texafana wrote:I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry. What I mean by that is, it finally looks like Journey has a "lead singer" again and not some hired hand. Even Steve A never looked or sounded as a good a fit with the band compared to Arnel in my opinion.

I was looking at some JSS videos with Journey, and (as good as he is) he just for some weird reason just doesn't "look" like someone who would be fronting Journey. I don't know if the physical look has something to do with it? Both SteveP and SteveA and Arnel are not the most masculine guys in the world, kind of a softer look about them, perhaps you need that high tenor voice with a softer look to make it click "hey...that's the Journey lead singer look". ? ? ?

I'm still blown away by how far Arnel has come in only a short period of time. I'm starting to wonder if Neal planned this a long time before it was announced. Secretly having Arnel work on the songs, etc, etc.

And speaking of Perry, with his ego as large as it is, there is simply no way he would come back if he couldn't sing better than the current lead singer of Journey. And let's face it, at near 60 years old, he can't compete with Arnel.

I feel sorry for him, because if he did have plans for a come back, they were probably shattered when he heard Arnel perform with Journey.

I don't think Steve Perry is sitting home crying in his milk about not singing with journey; just maybe it wouldn't hurt so much if some people could just leave it alone.Constantly comparing SP and AP is getting old.

I think Andrew had the best response to this thread!!!

Andrew wrote:I fail to see why the comparison still has to be made. This is merely digging up old wounds among some fans and quite honestly, I don't agree.

Arnel is a wonderful soul and a truly gifted performer and singer and more power to him for living his dream with one of America's most iconic melodic rock acts.

Perry is out of the picture due to his own decisions and that's fine by me as long as he is happy. It is disappointing for me personally that I don't get to hear him sing anymore - with J or solo...but that's his call.

NO ONE singer will cause me to forget the man's legacy or history in this band and I don't think Arnel would like anyone to make such a statement. He has already shown himself to be humble and accepting of his role and I for one hope that continues and he stays heathy and happy.

Thank you Andrew

Tex,
I don't think it's fair (or nice) to even SEEM to put down Augeri, Soto and Perry just to praise Arnel.

Arnel's a great vocalist, with good stage presence, and he's going to get even better.
However, you're not accountng for a major factor in any suposed "fading" of Steve Perry,
which is the length (thus far) of Steve Perry's own absence from the stage.

Augeri had a really tough challenge in that regard: the popular memory of Perry was still very fresh.
Arnel would have been the subject of imense criticism, given Augeri's situation.
Heck, folks can come here to the Philippines, Arnel's own hometown, hang around and just listen to the radio.
Steve Perry's wonderful voice is still heard on FM and Am stations, and people still know his name.

-wech

texafana wrote:I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry. What I mean by that is, it finally looks like Journey has a "lead singer" again and not some hired hand. Even Steve A never looked or sounded as a good a fit with the band compared to Arnel in my opinion.

I was looking at some JSS videos with Journey, and (as good as he is) he just for some weird reason just doesn't "look" like someone who would be fronting Journey. I don't know if the physical look has something to do with it? Both SteveP and SteveA and Arnel are not the most masculine guys in the world, kind of a softer look about them, perhaps you need that high tenor voice with a softer look to make it click "hey...that's the Journey lead singer look". ? ? ?

I'm still blown away by how far Arnel has come in only a short period of time. I'm starting to wonder if Neal planned this a long time before it was announced. Secretly having Arnel work on the songs, etc, etc.

And speaking of Perry, with his ego as large as it is, there is simply no way he would come back if he couldn't sing better than the current lead singer of Journey. And let's face it, at near 60 years old, he can't compete with Arnel. I feel sorry for him, because if he did have plans for a come back, they were probably shattered when he heard Arnel perform with Journey.

Sorry dude...This is a fucking MORONIC post! You sound like the brainless Kool-Aid drinkers on Jackass Talk with this whole "Maybe Jeff didn't have the right look for Journey" bullshit! I actually got into a fight with some moron on that site who said Jeff was "too tall" to sing for Journey. I realize they're a band of midgets, but give me a break with this shit! It all comes down to singing. I can assure you that those of us heterosexual men aren't showing up at concerts, and thinking "Gee, if only he had some more Aqua-Net in his hair, he would fit in a bit better with Journey". Geez...where do people come up with this stupid shit Jeff isn't in Journey, because he wasn't the high-tenor they were looking for. I guarantee you that if Jeff could come anywhere near emulating Perry's signature sound, Schon wouldn't have cared if the dude rolled out onto the stage wearing a Depends adult diaper!

The final point I'll make is one Matthew made in another thread by another genius who claimed "It's like Perry never existed"...Arnel, Augeri, Jeff, and a singer to be named later are all singing Perry's songs, Einstein! Until that stops (which isn't likely, unless Schon's youtube account gets canceled and he's then forced to retire), this band will never be out of the shadow of Perry. It's simply ASTONISHING to me that people say something like this, after leaving a concert with two new songs and the rest all Perry music! Not to mention, their "new" cd had all re-recorded Perry classics (in the event you didn't get that memo), and finally a DVD...of...you guessed it (see that...you're catching on)...99% Perry music! One final thing...Don't kid yourself. Arnel is ABSOLUTELY a "hired hand". The guy is immensely talented, but he is still in the band for one reason, and one reason only...his ability to bring Schon & Co closer to their "legacy sound" (Read...PERRY)!



John from Boston

Andrew wrote:I fail to see why the comparison still has to be made. This is merely digging up old wounds among some fans and quite honestly,

Thanks Andrew. Shall I quote this whenever it's Arnel who's being unfairly compared to SP?

The thing is, it seem to be alright when it's Arnel getting the bad end of the comparison with SP but when it's done the other way around, it is digging up old wounds. Please do bear in mind that AP's fans have wounds to lick too. So if sensitivity will have to be observed when SP is concerned, I would appreciate if the same is done with AP.

Andrew wrote:I fail to see why the comparison still has to be made. This is merely digging up old wounds among some fans and quite honestly, I don't agree.

Arnel is a wonderful soul and a truly gifted performer and singer and more power to him for living his dream with one of America's most iconic melodic rock acts.

Perry is out of the picture due to his own decisions and that's fine by me as long as he is happy. It is disappointing for me personally that I don't get to hear him sing anymore - with J or solo...but that's his call.

NO ONE singer will cause me to forget the man's legacy or history in this band and I don't think Arnel would like anyone to make such a statement. He has already shown himself to be humble and accepting of his role and I for one hope that continues and he stays heathy and happy.

I agree with you, not just because I piss you off sometimes

mdaemon wrote:

Andrew wrote:I fail to see why the comparison still has to be made. This is merely digging up old wounds among some fans and quite honestly,

Thanks Andrew. Shall I quote this whenever it's Arnel who's being unfairly compared to SP?

Ah yes...I do love posts like this. Of course, be my guest.

Arnel is a great singer first off, but the problem is the first thing out of most people's mouth is “Wow, he sounds like Steve Perry”. If Arnel can stick around for 2 or 3 more albums, and the setlist contains more new AP songs than SP songs, than maybe we can say this is a new Journey, but right now every night the shows are SP tribute shows, I'll beit done by a spectacular performer (AP) but more akin to watching Rain do a Beatles show. When people start saying “Wow that new song by Arnel and Journey is awesome”, and it happens on a regular basis, then the ghost can be put to rest. If you never saw a SP lead Journey then this as good as it gets, which is pretty fabulous, but for the moment, it's still memorex.

Gunbot wrote:Arnel is a great singer first off, but the problem is the first thing out of most people's mouth is “Wow, he sounds like Steve Perry”. If Arnel can stick around for 2 or 3 more albums, and the setlist contains more new AP songs than SP songs, than maybe we can say this is a new Journey, but right now every night the shows are SP tribute shows, I'll beit done by a spectacular performer (AP) but more akin to watching Rain do a Beatles show. When people start saying “Wow that new song by Arnel and Journey is awesome”, and it happens on a regular basis, then the ghost can be put to rest. If you never saw a SP lead Journey then this as good as it gets, which is pretty fabulous, but for the moment, it's still memorex.

Totally agree with this post.

I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you?}

Michigan Girl wrote:{You're not hijacking this thread are you}

Tsk, tsk.

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you}

So, What do you do when the Cowboys play the Lions?

Personally I don't think that the greatest voice of music will ever fade.

Since 78 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you}

So, What do you do when the Cowboys play the Lions?

I'm a DETROIT kinda girl!!!!!
ALL THE WAY!!!!

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you?}

Yes I do, were a short green skirt, slit up the right side, low cut blouse,7 inch high heels,square black glasses{that will be removed} and some really pungent perfume

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you?}

Yes I do, were a short green skirt, slit up the right side, low cut blouse,7 inch high heels,square black glasses{that will be removed} and some really pungent perfume

7" heels....
You have me confused with your local streetwalker, this is FUNNY!!!!

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you?}

Yes I do, were a short green skirt, slit up the right side, low cut blouse,7 inch high heels,square black glasses{that will be removed} and some really pungent perfume

7" heels....
You have me confused with your local streetwalker, this is FUNNY!!!!

Do you sell cookles?

Let the record show I had nothing to do with this one.

And as to the title of this thing.... and

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you?}

Yes I do, were a short green skirt, slit up the right side, low cut blouse,7 inch high heels,square black glasses{that will be removed} and some really pungent perfume

7" heels....
You have me confused with your local streetwalker, this is FUNNY!!!!

Jeez all right 5 inch heels if that will make you feel better

Gunbot wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you?}

Yes I do, were a short green skirt, slit up the right side, low cut blouse,7 inch high heels,square black glasses{that will be removed} and some really pungent perfume

7" heels....
You have me confused with your local streetwalker, this is FUNNY!!!!

Do you sell cookles?

WTF are they ?? what happen to your cool aviaters?

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Let the record show I had nothing to do with this one.

Ditto. I even attempted to thwart it.

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you?}

Yes I do, were a short green skirt, slit up the right side, low cut blouse,7 inch high heels,square black glasses{that will be removed} and some really pungent perfume

7" heels....
You have me confused with your local streetwalker, this is FUNNY!!!!

Jeez all right 5 inch heels if that will make you feel better

Four and you've got a deal.....Girl Scout Uniform it is!!!!

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I agree G~Boy....comparison is inevitable and more than likely should've been expected.....but to dismiss SP's
legacy....NO WAY!!!!

You got your outfit ready for the day at the office lol?

It's late. I'm tired, so NO, any idea's????
{You're not hijacking this thread are you?}

Yes I do, were a short green skirt, slit up the right side, low cut blouse,7 inch high heels,square black glasses{that will be removed} and some really pungent perfume

7" heels....
You have me confused with your local streetwalker, this is FUNNY!!!!

Jeez all right 5 inch heels if that will make you feel better[/quote

Four and you've got a deal.....Girl Scout Uniform it is!!!!

Damn that even better, you better be 18