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Thought I'd post something Journey related.

http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/ent ... nd-Journey

Now this could be interesting

As good as he is, and as good a rags to riches story it is.....

This is just like a Behind the Music episode on a band that has ONE album....a little premature, don't ya think?

WAIT! Don't answer that....I already know the answer.....

Interesting. Hmmm, wonder if they'll talk to the past frontmen to get the full 30-year Journey story. Thanks for posting the link.

Another intangible that will make record sales explode. These guys have their shit togther like never before. Or at least since about 1983. I couldn't be happier for these guys...especially Arnel.

Since it's a PI paper, I wonder if this is strictly for the Philippines?

It sounds like an Arnel documentary, not a Journey one. They're just the backdrop. And does seem a little premature. They should really title it something else though, since he had nothing to do with the success of DSB or that era of the band. Should have tied it into the Revelation title, or use something about Journey in the title with Revelation in the subtile somehow.

(go right ahead.. flame away for that... its still true)

But of course, the DSB name will sell. Cha-ching.

This is great news. To those that keep beating the drum for those that came before Arnel... this isn't that kind of a film. Not a 'History of Journey'. You'll never get more of that than the version of the story portrayed in Behind the Music (which was pretty sanitized).

As the article says:

“This film is ultimately a snapshot of Journey at this moment in 2008 in its 30-plus year history, as it emerges with a new lead singer.”


It's like the "Let it Be" film was for The Beatles only instead of finding the subject band of the film in the middle of a breakup, this film will deal with a band that has new life and you have to give credit to Arnel here.

Not sure why every positive for Journey (and especially Arnel) has to be held up to their past history. The film doesn't really seem to have a lot to do with that as the story kind of IS Arnel and what he's brought to the band and how the band have moved on with him. The other stuff has nothing to do with it.

Couldn't be happier for the band. Others who were involved in the past will get their royalties... unless they really didn't contribute that much to the history to begin with.

Is Neal going to complain this should be named "The Arnel Pineda Story," as he did about the BTM show being all about Steve Perry?

Yeah, pretty interesting concept here with the documentary idea and all. I'm looking forward to seeing it, if in fact it ever does materialize. Wonder if they will include any footage of Arnel from when he was a teen and early twenties singing in AMO Band. That interests me because I want to see what video's exist and are out there. I remember many people would video tape the shows and many many more people would take photos. I'm seriously disappointed so far that I've not seen any of these videos or photos anywhere. Makes me wonder if people just tossed out stuff after a few years or if the extreme weather elements of the Philippines just destroyed everything. Back when Arnel was singing in AMO Band, the only way to record video was on magnetic tape. That type of media format doesn't last long in places like the Philippines.

I'm also interested to see footage of Journey with SP as well on that documentary, if in fact this does materialize. Something to really look forward to, IMO.

annie89509 wrote:Is Neal going to complain this should be named "The Arnel Pineda Story," as he did about the BTM show being all about Steve Perry?

Maybe we should wait until it comes up first to see what Neal says.

brywool wrote:This is great news. To those that keep beating the drum for those that came before Arnel... this isn't that kind of a film. Not a 'History of Journey'. You'll never get more of that than the version of the story portrayed in Behind the Music (which was pretty sanitized).

As the article says:

“This film is ultimately a snapshot of Journey at this moment in 2008 in its 30-plus year history, as it emerges with a new lead singer.”


It's like the "Let it Be" film was for The Beatles only instead of finding the subject band of the film in the middle of a breakup, this film will deal with a band that has new life and you have to give credit to Arnel here.

Not sure why every positive for Journey (and especially Arnel) has to be held up to their past history. The film doesn't really seem to have a lot to do with that as the story kind of IS Arnel and what he's brought to the band and how the band have moved on with him. The other stuff has nothing to do with it.

Couldn't be happier for the band. Others who were involved in the past will get their royalties... unless they really didn't contribute that much to the history to begin with.

I saw the title "Journey Documentary" and assumed it was about Journey from beginning to present......that's usually what documentary means to me. I missed where they said it was a "snapshot of this moment in 2008". My bad. Not so sure I'd call it a documentary then...JMO. But hey, either way it's great for Journey and especially Arnel.

Neal knows what the interest in Journey's about these days. I'm sure he's got no problem with it. And actually, I agree with him- BTM was very slanted to Steve and his emotional problems. It gave Journey some great publicity and it served it's purpose.

Deb wrote:

brywool wrote:This is great news. To those that keep beating the drum for those that came before Arnel... this isn't that kind of a film. Not a 'History of Journey'. You'll never get more of that than the version of the story portrayed in Behind the Music (which was pretty sanitized).

As the article says:

“This film is ultimately a snapshot of Journey at this moment in 2008 in its 30-plus year history, as it emerges with a new lead singer.”


It's like the "Let it Be" film was for The Beatles only instead of finding the subject band of the film in the middle of a breakup, this film will deal with a band that has new life and you have to give credit to Arnel here.

Not sure why every positive for Journey (and especially Arnel) has to be held up to their past history. The film doesn't really seem to have a lot to do with that as the story kind of IS Arnel and what he's brought to the band and how the band have moved on with him. The other stuff has nothing to do with it.

Couldn't be happier for the band. Others who were involved in the past will get their royalties... unless they really didn't contribute that much to the history to begin with.

I saw the title "Journey Documentary" and assumed it was about Journey from beginning to present......that's usually what documentary means to me. I missed where they said it was a "snapshot of this moment in 2008". My bad. Not so sure I'd call it a documentary then...JMO. But hey, either way it's great for Journey and especially Arnel.

I changed the title of the thread. I agree that title is misleading. My Bad

Deb wrote:

brywool wrote:This is great news. To those that keep beating the drum for those that came before Arnel... this isn't that kind of a film. Not a 'History of Journey'. You'll never get more of that than the version of the story portrayed in Behind the Music (which was pretty sanitized).

As the article says:

“This film is ultimately a snapshot of Journey at this moment in 2008 in its 30-plus year history, as it emerges with a new lead singer.”


It's like the "Let it Be" film was for The Beatles only instead of finding the subject band of the film in the middle of a breakup, this film will deal with a band that has new life and you have to give credit to Arnel here.

Not sure why every positive for Journey (and especially Arnel) has to be held up to their past history. The film doesn't really seem to have a lot to do with that as the story kind of IS Arnel and what he's brought to the band and how the band have moved on with him. The other stuff has nothing to do with it.

Couldn't be happier for the band. Others who were involved in the past will get their royalties... unless they really didn't contribute that much to the history to begin with.

I saw the title "Journey Documentary" and assumed it was about Journey from beginning to present......that's usually what documentary means to me. I missed where they said it was a "snapshot of this moment in 2008". My bad. Not so sure I'd call it a documentary then...JMO. But hey, either way it's great for Journey and especially Arnel.

"Documentary" doesn't necessarily mean a biography. It means it's not a theatrical story line (script, story, blah blah blah). Just like a documentary on War doesn't go into the complete history of war. It's DOCUMENTING a moment in time. Some directors want to show the history of an entity, some don't. The Stones movie that came out a few months ago (Holy Crap! Jagger and Richards on Imax- not for the squeamish!) was also a documentary but hardly talked about the band's history at all. It's more a style of filming than anything else. (IMHO)

Saint John wrote:Another intangible that will make record sales explode. These guys have their shit togther like never before. Or at least since about 1983. I couldn't be happier for these guys...especially Arnel.

It ain't comin' out til the end of '09...I doubt it will affect record sales much. UNLESS it is a part of a NEW CD/DVD package??

Deb wrote:

brywool wrote:This is great news. To those that keep beating the drum for those that came before Arnel... this isn't that kind of a film. Not a 'History of Journey'. You'll never get more of that than the version of the story portrayed in Behind the Music (which was pretty sanitized).

As the article says:

“This film is ultimately a snapshot of Journey at this moment in 2008 in its 30-plus year history, as it emerges with a new lead singer.”


It's like the "Let it Be" film was for The Beatles only instead of finding the subject band of the film in the middle of a breakup, this film will deal with a band that has new life and you have to give credit to Arnel here.

Not sure why every positive for Journey (and especially Arnel) has to be held up to their past history. The film doesn't really seem to have a lot to do with that as the story kind of IS Arnel and what he's brought to the band and how the band have moved on with him. The other stuff has nothing to do with it.

Couldn't be happier for the band. Others who were involved in the past will get their royalties... unless they really didn't contribute that much to the history to begin with.

I saw the title "Journey Documentary" and assumed it was about Journey from beginning to present......that's usually what documentary means to me. I missed where they said it was a "snapshot of this moment in 2008". My bad. Not so sure I'd call it a documentary then...JMO. But hey, either way it's great for Journey and especially Arnel.

You are confusing "biography" with "documentary". Documentaries can be about anything from one single event to entire eras to a person's life. But they very easily can be as limited as a "day in the life" as well.

Guess I should have finished reading the thread before that last response to Deb...Brywool took care of it!

jrnyman28 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Another intangible that will make record sales explode. These guys have their shit togther like never before. Or at least since about 1983. I couldn't be happier for these guys...especially Arnel.

It ain't comin' out til the end of '09...I doubt it will affect record sales much. UNLESS it is a part of a NEW CD/DVD package??

You might be on to something there, Dave!!! (and thanks for pointing out the release date...didn't see that!!! )

brywool wrote:Neal knows what the interest in Journey's about these days. I'm sure he's got no problem with it. And actually, I agree with him- BTM was very slanted to Steve and his emotional problems. It gave Journey some great publicity and it served it's purpose.

"Journey documentary and its 30-yr history" - that's the first thing that caught my attention. Then it goes to talk about Arnel's life. Hence, my Neal comment.

I know this is starting an old argument ... but Journey would not have much of a 30-yr history without Steve Perry -- this is a fact. Sure, there are 2 or 3 songwriters on those songs, but can anyone say with a straight face that these songs would resonant after all these years had someone else other than SP sang those songs? Would there be all these tribute bands with singers sounding just like SP singing these songs? Would Arnel have been hired had he not been able to sing these songs "just like Perry?"

BTM was rightfully slanted toward SP, because that IS the history of Journey -- as everyone knows it.

annie89509 wrote:.. but Journey would not have much of a 30-yr history without Steve Perry -- this is a fact.

No, it's actually not.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:It sounds like an Arnel documentary, not a Journey one. They're just the backdrop. And does seem a little premature. They should really title it something else though, since he had nothing to do with the success of DSB or that era of the band. Should have tied it into the Revelation title, or use something about Journey in the title with Revelation in the subtile somehow.

(go right ahead.. flame away for that... its still true)

But of course, the DSB name will sell. Cha-ching.

I agree, It does seen more and more like this is becoming the Arnel show instead of the Journey show. Soon he will be able to walk away from Journey as a superstar in his own country and around the world with a huge fillipino and american fan base. By using Journey as his stepping stone to fame he will probably; not to long in the future go solo. From a business point of view it would be a logical move;Apparently he is more business smart than this simple cinderella story leads one to believe, He has seperate management from the other band members, apparently Arnel's not the one we should be worrying about. JMO

Saint John wrote:

annie89509 wrote:.. but Journey would not have much of a 30-yr history without Steve Perry -- this is a fact.

No, it's actually not.

Notice I said "much" of a history, SJ. All their hit songs were centered around SP's voice. That's an exact quote from Neal. All the other Journeymen have said as much over the years. So, yes, I would say it's a fact.

annie89509 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

annie89509 wrote:.. but Journey would not have much of a 30-yr history without Steve Perry -- this is a fact.

No, it's actually not.

Notice I said "much" of a history, SJ. All their hit songs were centered around SP's voice. That's an exact quote from Neal. All the other Journeymen have said as much over the years. So, yes, I would say it's a fact.

Almost all hit songs by any band are centered around the lead singer's voice. You're supposition is probably correct, but in no way, shape or form can it be construed as a "fact." I agree with everything you said minus the "this is a fact" part.

jrnyman28 wrote:Guess I should have finished reading the thread before that last response to Deb...Brywool took care of it!

Sheesh, double smacked on that one. But I guess you're right......probably was thinking more along the lines of biography.

annpea wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:It sounds like an Arnel documentary, not a Journey one. They're just the backdrop. And does seem a little premature. They should really title it something else though, since he had nothing to do with the success of DSB or that era of the band. Should have tied it into the Revelation title, or use something about Journey in the title with Revelation in the subtile somehow.

(go right ahead.. flame away for that... its still true)

But of course, the DSB name will sell. Cha-ching.

I agree, It does seen more and more like this is becoming the Arnel show instead of the Journey show. Soon he will be able to walk away from Journey as a superstar in his own country and around the world with a huge fillipino and american fan base. By using Journey as his stepping stone to fame he will probably; not to long in the future go solo. From a business point of view it would be a logical move;Apparently he is more business smart than this simple cinderella story leads one to believe, He has seperate management from the other band members, apparently Arnel's not the one we should be worrying about. JMO

I see him having a hard time succeeding here in the States without Journey. He is a superstar singing songs that were on the charts years ago. He has one song that's charting now and it's the groups song not his, as he doesn't have a writing credit on it. From the Rolling stone article it sounds like he really wants to go home. Hopefully with out the glamour of Journey he can be a star in the Philippines. For an example let's look at Lea Salonga, Tony Award winner, most Americans know her name but when she released an album here, despite all the Filipinos living here in the states, it still tanked. Like I said a lot more people know her from her Disney specials and film appearances, but It hasn't propelled her Stateside career as much as one would think. I would love to see Arnel go home and hit it big, but even there, unless he turns into another ballad singer or starts rapping in Tagalog I think it's going to be tough. I just hope he's making enough out the tour to help him live a comfortable life style at home. Who knows how much his manager is taking off the top?

Saint John wrote:

annie89509 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

annie89509 wrote:.. but Journey would not have much of a 30-yr history without Steve Perry -- this is a fact.

No, it's actually not.

Notice I said "much" of a history, SJ. All their hit songs were centered around SP's voice. That's an exact quote from Neal. All the other Journeymen have said as much over the years. So, yes, I would say it's a fact.

Almost all hit songs by any band are centered around the lead singer's voice. You're supposition is probably correct, but in no way, shape or form can it be construed as a "fact." I agree with everything you said minus the "this is a fact" part.

Ah, but SJ, what other "old" rock band with hit songs that are still relevant today? -- That is my argument. So my opinion is basically fact. In other words, Journey owes it's 30-yr relevancy to Steve Perry's voice.

Gunbot wrote:

annpea wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:It sounds like an Arnel documentary, not a Journey one. They're just the backdrop. And does seem a little premature. They should really title it something else though, since he had nothing to do with the success of DSB or that era of the band. Should have tied it into the Revelation title, or use something about Journey in the title with Revelation in the subtile somehow.

(go right ahead.. flame away for that... its still true)

But of course, the DSB name will sell. Cha-ching.

I agree, It does seen more and more like this is becoming the Arnel show instead of the Journey show. Soon he will be able to walk away from Journey as a superstar in his own country and around the world with a huge fillipino and american fan base. By using Journey as his stepping stone to fame he will probably; not to long in the future go solo. From a business point of view it would be a logical move;Apparently he is more business smart than this simple cinderella story leads one to believe, He has seperate management from the other band members, apparently Arnel's not the one we should be worrying about. JMO

I see him having a hard time succeeding here in the States without Journey. He is a superstar singing songs that were on the charts years ago. He has one song that's charting now and it's the groups song not his, as he doesn't have a writing credit on it. From the Rolling stone article it sounds like he really wants to go home. Hopefully with out the glamour of Journey he can be a star in the Philippines. For an example let's look at Lea Salonga, Tony Award winner, most Americans know her name but when she released an album here, despite all the Filipinos living here in the states, it still tanked. Like I said a lot more people know her from her Disney specials and film appearances, but It hasn't propelled her Stateside career as much as one would think. I would love to see Arnel go home and hit it big, but even there, unless he turns into another ballad singer or starts rapping in Tagalog I think it's going to be tough. I just hope he's making enough out the tour to help him live a comfortable life style at home. Who knows how much his manager is taking off the top?

That's a good point I didn't think about it that way. I hoping when the hype dies down that the band doesn't go down with it. I'm hoping they stay large and in charge for years to come.

I think it will be fine. Maybe we can learn a little more about Arnel in the process. It is a new precident for Filipino singers. He has been a success. I think it would be good to watch. Whatever angle they choose.

annie89509 wrote:

brywool wrote:Neal knows what the interest in Journey's about these days. I'm sure he's got no problem with it. And actually, I agree with him- BTM was very slanted to Steve and his emotional problems. It gave Journey some great publicity and it served it's purpose.

"Journey documentary and its 30-yr history" - that's the first thing that caught my attention. Then it goes to talk about Arnel's life. Hence, my Neal comment.

I know this is starting an old argument ... but Journey would not have much of a 30-yr history without Steve Perry -- this is a fact. Sure, there are 2 or 3 songwriters on those songs, but can anyone say with a straight face that these songs would resonant after all these years had someone else other than SP sang those songs? Would there be all these tribute bands with singers sounding just like SP singing these songs? Would Arnel have been hired had he not been able to sing these songs "just like Perry?"

BTM was rightfully slanted toward SP, because that IS the history of Journey -- as everyone knows it.

I agree as well. Journey wouldn't have been anywhere near as popular as they were in the 80's without SP. Complicated subject though cause Journey doesn't consist of just SP. It was a team, and together the team was very popular at that time. SP gone, the team now consists of AP. I think it's safe to say that the years Journey has been at the height of the band's success is when SP was part of that team and now AP being part of that team. Album sales numbers and concert attendance figures would, I believe, support this fact. Not to mention all the magazine articles and tv shows which have been involved, not only in the U.S. but also in the Philippines, Australia and the UK as well.

annie89509 wrote: In other words, Journey owes it's 30-yr relevancy to Steve Perry's voice.

The songs, music and memories are bigger than his voice. For your argument to hold water people would have to not be interested in Journey without Steve Perry, but that simply isn't true. You're minimizing the contributions of other band members and that's not fair. It was a "team" effort. Completely removed from Journey, Perry made 2 albums. One was released (FTLOSM) and flopped and the other (Against The Wall) never even saw the light of day. He needed his teammates.