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Not to mention clearly created by a Journey fan and in no way indicative of anything other than the poll creator is a Journey fan.
Best singer of ALL TIME and Arnel is number 7... yeah, that doesn't scream 'Journey fans'. :roll:

He's a good singer but of all time... number 7... after one album... yeah. Ok.

by **S2M** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:13 am

What she ^ said, plus Ross is in no way a great bass player....wouldn't be in my top 200.

by **Michigan Girl** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:13 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
WykkedSensation wrote:Ludicrous, laughable, and pretty pathetic, most of it. Typical online music poll.

Not to mention clearly created by a Journey fan and in no way indicative of anything other than the poll creator is a Journey fan.
Best singer of ALL TIME and Arnel is number 7... yeah, that doesn't scream 'Journey fans'. He's a good singer but of all time... number 7... after one album... yeah. Ok.

Beating Freddie and Ann....... :wink:

by **Enigma869** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:18 am

etcetera wrote:I'm new to this site:

The Top Tens

The lists are based on online votes. As of now:

Greatest Rock Band of All Time
#01 Journey
Greatest Rock Voices
#01 Steve Perry
Greatest Singer of All Time
#04 Steve Perry
#07 Arnel Pineda
Greatest Guitarists Ever
#07 Neal Schon
Best Bassists Ever
#08 Ross Valory
All Time Greatest Songs
#08 Don't Stop Believin'

That is officially one of the most ridiculous lists I have ever seen in my life! This list must have been manufactured by that propaganda spreading machine that is Jackass Talk! Arnel Pineda is the 7th greatest singer ever???? Really??? Ross Valory is the greatest bassist ever???? That's fucking hilarious. If you talk to people who play bass, Valory is far below average at his craft, and isn't in the top 500 bass players! Most have told me that they can't believe Valory wasn't replaced years ago (although, I guess Perry tried that). I definitely agree that Schon and Perry rank high at their craft, but the rest of that list is RIDICULOUS!

John from Boston

by **ScarabGator** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:54 am

I love the guy but Arnel is not ready for that list yet

by **Don** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:56 am

etcetera wrote:I'm new to this site:

The Top Tens

The lists are based on online votes. As of now:

Greatest Rock Band of All Time
#01 Journey
Greatest Rock Voices
#01 Steve Perry
Greatest Singer of All Time
#04 Steve Perry
#07 Arnel Pineda
Greatest Guitarists Ever
#07 Neal Schon
Best Bassists Ever
#08 Ross Valory
All Time Greatest Songs
#08 Don't Stop Believin'

-3
(for starting this thread :lol:

)

by **Ehwmatt** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:08 am

Enigma869 wrote:
That is officially one of the most ridiculous lists I have ever seen in my life! This list must have been manufactured by that propaganda spreading machine that is Jackass Talk! Arnel Pineda is the 7th greatest singer ever???? Really??? Ross Valory is the greatest bassist ever???? That's fucking hilarious. If you talk to people who play bass, Valory is far below average at his craft, and isn't in the top 500 bass players! Most have told me that they can't believe Valory wasn't replaced years ago (although, I guess Perry tried that). I definitely agree that Schon and Perry rank high at their craft, but the rest of that list is RIDICULOUS!

John from Boston

There's some nice bass work on the early stuff. Ross doesn't get to show what he's got too often in the context of Journey's music. He's better than you think. He's no Geddy Lee or John Myung, but he's far from terrible.

by **Enigma869** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:50 am

Ehwmatt wrote: Ross doesn't get to show what he's got too often in the context of Journey's music. He's better than you think. He's no Geddy Lee or John Myung, but he's far from terrible.

I'm not a bass player, so really can't judge Ross' talents. I simply conveyed the point that the people I happen to know, who know a bit about bass, have told me that Valory is a "very average" bass player, and many weren't even that flattering!

John from Boston

by **etcetera** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:21 pm

The lists are generated through online polls which gauge the pulse of the site's interested visitors, not that of a random sample. So, of course, the results cannot be generalized and are only valid for that particular volunteer population, the poll participants. Duh! :wink:

by **mdaemon** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:33 pm

etcetera wrote:The lists are generated through online polls which gauge the pulse of the site's interested visitors, not that of a random sample. So, of course, the results cannot be generalized and are only valid for that particular volunteer population, the poll participants. Duh!

The problem with these kinds of polls is that a single fan can generate multiple votes. Here's how to do it on Firefox:

1. Vote
2. Tools, Options, Privacy, Show Cookies
3. Scroll down to "The-Top-Ten" cookies
4. Click on Remove cookies
5. Refresh the polls page
6. Repeat step 1

I'm sure multiple voting can even be automated with a very small script.

by **etcetera** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:03 am

mdaemon wrote:The problem with these kinds of polls is that a single fan can generate multiple votes. Here's how to do it on Firefox:

1. Vote
2. Tools, Options, Privacy, Show Cookies
3. Scroll down to "The-Top-Ten" cookies
4. Click on Remove cookies
5. Refresh the polls page
6. Repeat step 1

I'm sure multiple voting can even be automated with a very small script.

That's true, rampant in fact, rendering the polls statistically unreliable. The administrators recognize that inherent disadvantage though, and I don't see any attempt on their part to pass the results off as representative of the population. The site is basically just engaging its visitors with dynamic interactive content.

MR

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