Steve's Voice

[madsplash]

Long time lurker, first post. Be gentle
I'm a male "loon". Nothing sexual(I'm married, with child), I just am completely awestruck and inspired by the man's gift and legacy.

That being said, I know I'm in the minority, but I PREFER Steve's voice from Frontiers and after. To me, it gained texture and emotion. I've been listening to TBF recently and think that "Don't Be Down On Me Baby" is my favorite ballad performance of his.

I've also read about some of the reviews fron the FTLOSM tour. When I saw him in Pittsburgh, his voice was great. Some of the songs were lowered a half-step, and most were not.

Anyway, I'm happy to be posting on this forum with so many fans that love Journey and Steve as much as I do. As for the whole new version of the band, obviously I prefer the band with Steve, but since we'll never see that again(or will we?), I'm just glad that they continue on with Arnel. Those songs are so great, they deserve to be heard live by new generations, as well as ours.

When the reunion happened in 96, I was thrilled. The huge album debut, then the let down when the tour never happened was horrible. We all have our opinions as to what happened, but if Steve needed time to have his hip fixed, I can't imagine why the others couldn't have waited for him. They had just waited 9 years, what's another one? Who knows? Maybe the people who say that Steve knew he couldn't tour those songs are right.

Thanks for letting me have my long-winded post and I look forward to continuing to read and post on this great place!

P.S. The new album is going to happen. Not if, but when. I know a couple people who say that Steve did indeed have work done on his chords and that he sounds as good as the Frontiers era. I guess we'll see!

[Babyblue]

Glad you stoped lurking and joined us here.There are so many great people here. You are not the olny one that is into SP i am a loon as well and don't care who knows.heehee He has a voive of an Angel for sure. Hope you keep posting and do have fun here.It's a really great place to be.

[ScarabGator]

Whats up MadSplash!!! I agree with ya man..I am totally heterosexual but Ive been know to talk about a SP mancrush in the past...he is an awesome talent. Hey experts-does that make me loon-ey??? Anyway welcome aboard bro!

[Purrkat]

I also am impressed with his voice as he gets older. I guess that is because I have gotten older too!

[Liquid_Drummer]

With you there on "Don't Be Down On Me Baby". Fucking awesome performance and my favorite on the cd. I have heard a lot of people dont like that one... Hmm.. The title track is a great song as well. I find that cd very refreshing because there are songs that ARE NOT ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS.

I get a bit tired of the Girl I miss you or our love is ____ and find it nice to hear lyrics like.

Treasures in the jars of clay
Let the light shine out of darkness
Fallen down but not destroyed
It's just another trial by fire.

Not typical Journey lyrics.. I always wanted to see them step "Outside the box" a little more than they did in Journey. Dream after dream is a step in that direction but not enough vocals .

I am hoping that some material from Perry's early band Pieces gets released... Sounds very interesting from the 25 or so seconds that are out there on the web.. Jazzy and perhaps more progressive... Really want to hear that stuff.

[Michigan Girl]

Welcome, Madsplash....nice post!!!

[Babyblue]

I also am impressed with his voice as he gets older. I guess that is because I have gotten older too!

Welcome to the board Purrkat. I just love that mans voice.

[StoneCold]

Good post OP. Let me help the thread life by starting a fire.

Perry would never have toured with them again. He would have kept them waiting ad infinitum or however long it took until they gave up and reformed Bad English. They did the right thing forging ahead.

Crack that stone baby!

I agree that there's some great stuff on TBF though.

His voice was far removed from even Frontiers which is my favorite cd or tied with Escape. I won't say he can't sing anymore but a full tour with this band will NEVER happen again.

[Babyblue]

Good post OP. Let me help the thread life by starting a fire.

Perry would never have toured with them again. He would have kept them waiting ad infinitum or however long it took until they gave up and reformed Bad English. They did the right thing forging ahead.

Crack that stone baby!

I agree that there's some great stuff on TBF though.

His voice was far removed from even Frontiers which is my favorite cd or tied with Escape. I won't say he can't sing anymore but a full tour with this band will NEVER happen again.

Well Friga did say in i think his last interview....that SP would never be in journey again.And i just bet you that pissed SP off big time.But Friga runs his big mouth anyway.

[StoneCold]

Good post OP. Let me help the thread life by starting a fire.

Perry would never have toured with them again. He would have kept them waiting ad infinitum or however long it took until they gave up and reformed Bad English. They did the right thing forging ahead.

Crack that stone baby!

I agree that there's some great stuff on TBF though.

His voice was far removed from even Frontiers which is my favorite cd or tied with Escape. I won't say he can't sing anymore but a full tour with this band will NEVER happen again.

Well Friga did say in i think his last interview....that SP would never be in journey again.And i just bet you that pissed SP off big time.But Friga runs his big mouth anyway.

Friga lets you live. We need Sw2 on the case. But you're right. As long as they can keep finding Perry clones (and I mean no offense to AP) there's no chance in hell SP will ever be in the studio or stage with them unless its to collect the R&RHOF and maybe he'll snub them there too.

[Babyblue]

Good post OP. Let me help the thread life by starting a fire.

Perry would never have toured with them again. He would have kept them waiting ad infinitum or however long it took until they gave up and reformed Bad English. They did the right thing forging ahead.

Crack that stone baby!

I agree that there's some great stuff on TBF though.

His voice was far removed from even Frontiers which is my favorite cd or tied with Escape. I won't say he can't sing anymore but a full tour with this band will NEVER happen again.

Well Friga did say in i think his last interview....that SP would never be in journey again.And i just bet you that pissed SP off big time.But Friga runs his big mouth anyway.

Friga lets you live. We need Sw2 on the case. But you're right. As long as they can keep finding Perry clones (and I mean no offense to AP) there's no chance in hell SP will ever be in the studio or stage with them unless its to collect the R&RHOF and maybe he'll snub them there too.

I do understand where your coming from.But SP is doing what makes him happy now and i am fine with that.If he ever puts out a cd i will get it.But not sure that will happen.And don't hold your breath to long hon.I don't think thjey will ever get into the R&RHOF.I would love to see them in there but don't see it happning to them.Also you have your take on SP and i have mine.He is a good man and we are not perfect but all do crap we wish we had not done.

[madsplash]

Perry would never have toured with them again. He would have kept them waiting ad infinitum or however long it took until they gave up and reformed Bad English. They did the right thing forging ahead..

I'm not sure how we KNOW that. Steve intitiated the reunion by calling Jon, so why would he do that if he knew he couldn't tour the old catalog? He'd just come off of the FTLOSM tour with good results, so I think he thought it would be good to go ahead with Journey.

I've heard people say that he "faked" his hip injury, which I know is false because he did have hip replacement surgery later on. If he thought he couldn't do a tour, was it just a coincidence that the hip injury happened? Seems unlikely.

I just don't think that we know for sure what happened. As for a tour ever again with Journey, we will be able to judge when he puts out his new material if he even COULD do it, let alone want to. It'll be interesting.

The high-profile duet people that "sources" keep mentioning are Streisand, Dion and Aguilera.
I just hope he gives us new stuff to listen to. Tour or no tour, reunion or no reunion.

P.S. I think Arnel is a great singer, but I'd love to hear him try and sing Homemade Love in the original key.

[annpea]

Good post OP. Let me help the thread life by starting a fire.

Perry would never have toured with them again. He would have kept them waiting ad infinitum or however long it took until they gave up and reformed Bad English. They did the right thing forging ahead.

Crack that stone baby!

I agree that there's some great stuff on TBF though.

His voice was far removed from even Frontiers which is my favorite cd or tied with Escape. I won't say he can't sing anymore but a full tour with this band will NEVER happen again.

I'm a loon too but i agree with you I don't think he intended to tour either, but instead of admitting that he probably couldn't physically do it anymore he held them up playing mind games; when he could have just said " guys I can't do it anymore" pride comes before a fall you know. jmo. "Welcome madsplash, You'll have much fun here"

[Jana]

I don't think the guys rushed things on his hip. I, too, don't believe he wanted to tour or that his heart was in it. He once said he contacted them regarding reuniting but in another interview it seems like he alluded to the fact Sony pushed him and wanted them to reunite and, thus, wasn't really marketing FTLOSM. Neal and Jon waited almost ten years from ROR and TBF. There were smart to move on at that time.

I think Steve Perry will do another solo album if big money is thrown at him and he's not forced to do a big tour to promote it. With the huge interest in Journey again b/c of the Sopranos, Arnel and Revelation and a very successful tour, this would be the time for Steve Perry to capitalize on all that free publicity.

[madsplash]

I think Steve Perry will do another solo album if big money is thrown at him and he's not forced to do a big tour to promote it. With the huge interest in Journey again b/c of the Sopranos, Arnel and Revelation and a very successful tour, this would be the time for Steve Perry to capitalize on all that free publicity.

You may be right, but I can't imagine "Big Money" being the motivating factor.
First there's the known saying that "he has more money than God", which I believe is probably true. Word is that he invested his many millions very wisely.

Second, I'll bet the biggest thing would be for him to show the new shape of his voice and to stick it to all of the people who say he can't sing anymore. And to stick it to Jon and Neal, ESPECIALLY.

I alwyas get a little aggrivated when I hear Neal say that he wanted to rock more and Steve took the band in a different direction. He sure cashed the checks that Steve was able to start getting him and he's still going in that direction now, with the new stuff that the band is writing today.

[Michigan Girl]

I think Steve Perry will do another solo album if big money is thrown at him and he's not forced to do a big tour to promote it. With the huge interest in Journey again b/c of the Sopranos, Arnel and Revelation and a very successful tour, this would be the time for Steve Perry to capitalize on all that free publicity.

You may be right, but I can't imagine "Big Money" being the motivating factor.
First there's the known saying that "he has more money than God", which I believe is probably true. Word is that he invested his many millions very wisely.

Second, I'll bet the biggest thing would be for him to show the new shape of his voice and to stick it to all of the people who say he can't sing anymore. And to stick it to Jon and Neal, ESPECIALLY.

I alwyas get a little aggrivated when I hear Neal say that he wanted to rock more and Steve took the band in a different direction. He sure cashed the checks that Steve was able to start getting him and he's still going in that direction now, with the new stuff that the band is writing today.

I can't imagine FREE PUBLICITY being a factor either, he garners a large amount of attention just by attending a baseball game!!

[TRAGChick]

WOW....this is one HELLUVA opening salvo!!
Welcome to the most fun & craziest site!! You'll have a great time here!

P.S. The new album is going to happen. Not if, but when.

I know a couple people who say that Steve did indeed have work done on his chords and that he sounds as good as the Frontiers era. I guess we'll see!

Yeah yeah; I can see you-all..."yup, there's NORA - this is ALL SHE SAW!"

[madsplash]

[quote="TRAGChick"]:shock:

WOW....this is one HELLUVA opening salvo!!
Welcome to the most fun & craziest site!! You'll have a great time here!


Thanks for the welcome. The only other little tidbit that someone I trust has at least SOME inside knowledge told me, was that SP's new project could actually involve someone with the initials H.H.

That'd be a hell of a twist. I think there has at least been some communication. Time will tell us.

[Jana]

I agree with you on a reason to stick it to Neal and Jon since they're riding a great wave now. But, then again, maybe he could care less. Who knows? It's only conjecture by any of us how he feels about what's going on now with the band.

I guess what I meant by lots of money thrown at him for a solo album was combined with really promoting the album. He would never want to put out a mediocre selling album.

As far as Neal complaining about not rocking out enough, I agree with his feelings. I do think Steve Perry was controlling the direction of the music more at the end, plus, of course, Jon is in that same vein. To me, TBF is too ballad heavy and could have used more of Neal's influence. There were some great songs on there I loved, but sometimes it sounded a lot like a Steve Perry solo album. His voice may not have been as good as earlier, but I still think he sounded great and had good range.

[Michigan Girl]

:shock:

WOW....this is one HELLUVA opening salvo!!
Welcome to the most fun & craziest site!! You'll have a great time here!


Thanks for the welcome. The only other little tidbit that someone I trust has at least SOME inside knowledge told me, was that SP's new project could actually involve someone with the initials H.H.

That'd be a hell of a twist. I think there has at least been some communication. Time will tell us.

Interesting!!!

[Jana]

I think your contact may be hallucinating. If by H.H., you're referring to Herbie Herbert, then I say no way. He's retired and dearly loves Neal Schon as his son. Neal was just at his big birthday party bash this year and performed. His last interviews had some very negative statements re Steve Perry. I don't know where you're getting your information, unless HH means someone else.

[Onestepper]

:shock:

WOW....this is one HELLUVA opening salvo!!
Welcome to the most fun & craziest site!! You'll have a great time here!


Thanks for the welcome. The only other little tidbit that someone I trust has at least SOME inside knowledge told me, was that SP's new project could actually involve someone with the initials H.H.

That'd be a hell of a twist. I think there has at least been some communication. Time will tell us.

Not doubting you directly, but honestly..SP seems to hold grudges more than most people. Considering how much HH has nuked Perry in numerous interviews, I just don't see that happening. The two main guys from the band haven't said nearly the stuff HH has about Perry, and he won't even take their phone calls. Also, remember Perry was the driving force of the band firing HH, and literally taking millions out of his pocket. Lots of baggage there to overcome for one solo project to some how fix.

[madsplash]

As far as Neal complaining about not rocking out enough, I agree with his feelings. I do think Steve Perry was controlling the direction of the music more at the end, plus, of course, Jon is in that same vein. To me, TBF is too ballad heavy and could have used more of Neal's influence. There were some great songs on there I loved, but sometimes it sounded a lot like a Steve Perry solo album. His voice may not have been as good as earlier, but I still think he sounded great and had good range.

You're right, he was controlling it and it was control that they gladly gave him and were riding the wave.
One of the coolest later era rock songs is the bonus track on TBF "I Can See It In Your Eyes".
That song slams and I think Steve shows he could still rock.


I know, I know, I'm just saying what I've heard as far as H.H. I'd doubt it too, but time does heal some things that were once thought never able to be healed. It's all speculation, but it's what I heard.

[artist4perry]

Welcome, I too am a loon. And I too have a husband and children! LOL! I just think the man has a tallented set of pipes! I can as a woman appreciate that he is hansome. But my heart will always belong to my husband. Perry could never be to me what Daniel is. Having said that, I hope he is well, happy, and in love. When he releases an album I will buy it. Some are hung up on how high he can hit the notes. I love the richer lower notes. So if he does a more baratone thing, it will be fine with me. I love all his work.

[Jana]

well, madsplash, I will disagree with you. I don't think it was control they "GLADLY" gave over to Steve Perry. I doubt they ever wanted to fire Herbie Herbert for TBF, or Ross Valory or Steve Smith for ROR. They desperately wanted to play as a band together again and Steve Perry had them by the b___s. Of course, they needed him. Was his creative input and vision important to the band and their direction? Absolutely. But so was Jonathan Cain's and Neal Schon's. I don't believe the shift of power was a good thing. In a way they sold their souls to make Steve Perry happy the last two albums and it still didn't work in the end because I don't believe he was really interested in being in the band any longer.

I think Steve Perry was burned out and if FTLOSM had taken off huge, I believe he would have rather made another solo album. But their best music was together. Those three quys brought a lot of talent to the table in creating beautiful songs together.

[epoy]

P.S. I think Arnel is a great singer, but I'd love to hear him try and sing Homemade Love in the original key.

really, is this comment necessary? can Steve now? see what i mean? oh wait, this is a forum - we can discuss things. never mind...move along...

[Jana]

I agree with Epoy. Arnel is 41 and can't hit notes he hit in his twenties when he sang Through the Fire, but his voice still has amazing range and is hitting notes I can't believe at his age, much less someone much younger couldn't even hit. And Steve P. is 60 and I'm sure he still sings beautifully, just can't hit the old notes.

I still love Bono's voice and it's not the same as it was. I still love to hear him perform, though, even if he doesn't sing some of his songs in the same key as when they were originated.

[stevew2]

Good post OP. Let me help the thread life by starting a fire.

Perry would never have toured with them again. He would have kept them waiting ad infinitum or however long it took until they gave up and reformed Bad English. They did the right thing forging ahead.

Crack that stone baby!

I agree that there's some great stuff on TBF though.

His voice was far removed from even Frontiers which is my favorite cd or tied with Escape. I won't say he can't sing anymore but a full tour with this band will NEVER happen again.

Well Friga did say in i think his last interview....that SP would never be in journey again.And i just bet you that pissed SP off big time.But Friga runs his big mouth anyway.

Friga lets you live. We need Sw2 on the case. But you're right. As long as they can keep finding Perry clones (and I mean no offense to AP) there's no chance in hell SP will ever be in the studio or stage with them unless its to collect the R&RHOF and maybe he'll snub them there too.

Anything that comes out of Frigas mouth is complete bullshit.Especially that shit he said to Tito.perry ssingin days are over,thats his choice

[stevew2]

Long time lurker, first post. Be gentle
I'm a male "loon". Nothing sexual(I'm married, with child), I just am completely awestruck and inspired by the man's gift and legacy.

That being said, I know I'm in the minority, but I PREFER Steve's voice from Frontiers and after. To me, it gained texture and emotion. I've been listening to TBF recently and think that "Don't Be Down On Me Baby" is my favorite ballad performance of his.

I've also read about some of the reviews fron the FTLOSM tour. When I saw him in Pittsburgh, his voice was great. Some of the songs were lowered a half-step, and most were not.

Anyway, I'm happy to be posting on this forum with so many fans that love Journey and Steve as much as I do. As for the whole new version of the band, obviously I prefer the band with Steve, but since we'll never see that again(or will we?), I'm just glad that they continue on with Arnel. Those songs are so great, they deserve to be heard live by new generations, as well as ours.

When the reunion happened in 96, I was thrilled. The huge album debut, then the let down when the tour never happened was horrible. We all have our opinions as to what happened, but if Steve needed time to have his hip fixed, I can't imagine why the others couldn't have waited for him. They had just waited 9 years, what's another one? Who knows? Maybe the people who say that Steve knew he couldn't tour those songs are right.

Thanks for letting me have my long-winded post and I look forward to continuing to read and post on this great place!

P.S. The new album is going to happen. Not if, but when. I know a couple people who say that Steve did indeed have work done on his chords and that he sounds as good as the Frontiers era. I guess we'll see!

Are you pregnant? say it aint so

[donnaplease]

:shock:

WOW....this is one HELLUVA opening salvo!!
Welcome to the most fun & craziest site!! You'll have a great time here!


Thanks for the welcome. The only other little tidbit that someone I trust has at least SOME inside knowledge told me, was that SP's new project could actually involve someone with the initials H.H.

That'd be a hell of a twist. I think there has at least been some communication. Time will tell us.

Not doubting you directly, but honestly..SP seems to hold grudges more than most people. Considering how much HH has nuked Perry in numerous interviews, I just don't see that happening. The two main guys from the band haven't said nearly the stuff HH has about Perry, and he won't even take their phone calls. Also, remember Perry was the driving force of the band firing HH, and literally taking millions out of his pocket. Lots of baggage there to overcome for one solo project to some how fix.

Maybe it's Herbie Hancock...