MR

Out for lunch..........

It's swings and roundabouts. One time Steve has nothing but niceties for Schon , the next time it's war and vice versa.

As for the Schon interview you mentioned, I think Neal was particularly pissed at Perry for punching his pussy.

Neal is an emotional guy. Steve Perry didn't really want to be part of the band anymore but didn't want the name to continue on with a different singer. There's hard feelings when you split. Like a bad divorce. Everybody is where they want to be now. Neal is emotional and things don't always come out too good sometimes and Steve is smooth and almost always comes across better, but he definitely has his own issues, passive-aggressive. Don't look for a lovefest anytime soon.

I have never heard Perry say anything regarding Jon or Neal that was nasty or negative at all. Neal has mamy times and Jon has too plus some amusing faces. Be more specific.

Purrkat wrote:**Ok, maybe this has been discussed before until it is blue in the face, but I just gotta know since I wasn't here at the time.

After reading an excerpt from an interview with SP that was published in GQ back in May, I was taken aback by the subsequent interview with NS.

SP had no harsh words whatsoever to say about NS, but NS blasted SP all the way to Hades and back.

So, is this really a personal war between 2 proud, stubborn egos or just a publicity ploy?

What say you all?

30 PAGES!!

I would think being near 60 they would have grown up by now.

All bets off.

squirt1 wrote:I have never heard Perry say anything regarding Jon or Neal that was nasty or negative at all. Neal has mamy times and
Jon has too plus some amusing faces. Be more specific.

Michigan Girl wrote:

squirt1 wrote:I have never heard Perry say anything regarding Jon or Neal that was nasty or negative at all. Neal has mamy times and
Jon has too plus some amusing faces. Be more specific.

That's perfect.

Purrkat wrote:**Ok, maybe this has been discussed before until it is blue in the face, but I just gotta know since I wasn't here at the time.

After reading an excerpt from an interview with SP that was published in GQ back in May, I was taken aback by the subsequent interview with NS.

SP had no harsh words whatsoever to say about NS, but NS blasted SP all the way to Hades and back.

So, is this really a personal war between 2 proud, stubborn egos or just a publicity ploy?

What say you all?

Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story! He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring. Perry has ALWAYS taken the high road when asked about the midget. Hell, even after all the drama and bullshit, Perry still goes out of his way to talk about what a brilliant musician Schon has always been. Unfortunately, Schon doesn't have any class. I hope Neal keeps burning through lead singers, and if there is any justice in the world, his fingers will fall off! Fuck him!


John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:

Purrkat wrote:**Ok, maybe this has been discussed before until it is blue in the face, but I just gotta know since I wasn't here at the time.

After reading an excerpt from an interview with SP that was published in GQ back in May, I was taken aback by the subsequent interview with NS.

SP had no harsh words whatsoever to say about NS, but NS blasted SP all the way to Hades and back.

So, is this really a personal war between 2 proud, stubborn egos or just a publicity ploy?

What say you all?

Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story! He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring. Perry has ALWAYS taken the high road when asked about the midget. Hell, even after all the drama and bullshit, Perry still goes out of his way to talk about what a brilliant musician Schon has always been. Unfortunately, Schon doesn't have any class. I hope Neal keeps burning through lead singers, and if there is any justice in the world, his fingers will fall off! Fuck him!


John from Boston

Ah, balanced, even-handed commentary! Just what I like to see.

(Damn it, we need a sarcasm emoticon. There's only so much a wink can be expected to do)

Arianddu wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:

Purrkat wrote:**Ok, maybe this has been discussed before until it is blue in the face, but I just gotta know since I wasn't here at the time.

After reading an excerpt from an interview with SP that was published in GQ back in May, I was taken aback by the subsequent interview with NS.

SP had no harsh words whatsoever to say about NS, but NS blasted SP all the way to Hades and back.

So, is this really a personal war between 2 proud, stubborn egos or just a publicity ploy?

What say you all?

Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story! He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring. Perry has ALWAYS taken the high road when asked about the midget. Hell, even after all the drama and bullshit, Perry still goes out of his way to talk about what a brilliant musician Schon has always been. Unfortunately, Schon doesn't have any class. I hope Neal keeps burning through lead singers, and if there is any justice in the world, his fingers will fall off! Fuck him!


John from Boston

Ah, balanced, even-handed commentary! Just what I like to see.

(Damn it, we need a sarcasm emoticon. There's only so much a wink can be expected to do)

Hey is it 1:07 P.M. there?

Since 78 wrote:
Hey is it 1:07 P.M. there?

In Tasmania, yes, where I am, 1.37 (well, 1.38 now). What with eastern, central and western time, plus the southern states using Daylight savings and the northern, tropical states not using, Australia's now got 5 time zones going. Which is effing stupid, given that's for only 8 regions!

Arianddu wrote:
Ah, balanced, even-handed commentary! Just what I like to see.

(Damn it, we need a sarcasm emoticon. There's only so much a wink can be expected to do)

That's what the rolling eyes are for.

Arianddu wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:

Purrkat wrote:**Ok, maybe this has been discussed before until it is blue in the face, but I just gotta know since I wasn't here at the time.

After reading an excerpt from an interview with SP that was published in GQ back in May, I was taken aback by the subsequent interview with NS.

SP had no harsh words whatsoever to say about NS, but NS blasted SP all the way to Hades and back.

So, is this really a personal war between 2 proud, stubborn egos or just a publicity ploy?

What say you all?

Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story! He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring. Perry has ALWAYS taken the high road when asked about the midget. Hell, even after all the drama and bullshit, Perry still goes out of his way to talk about what a brilliant musician Schon has always been. Unfortunately, Schon doesn't have any class. I hope Neal keeps burning through lead singers, and if there is any justice in the world, his fingers will fall off! Fuck him!


John from Boston

Ah, balanced, even-handed commentary! Just what I like to see.

(Damn it, we need a sarcasm emoticon. There's only so much a wink can be expected to do)

I agree! Sometimes it is really hard to know when someone is kidding around or being ugly! Andrew can we get a new emotiocon?

I think they've all been JERKS at one time or another.

Jonathan Cain - for being the one to fire Herbie Herbert when it was Steve pushing it. Should have made him make the call since Jon wasn't wholewheartedly onboard with that.

Steve Perry - for firing Ross Valory and Steve Smith for ROR and putting that hack studio drummer in the tour (Now, talk about loyalty.)

Neal Schon I don't blame for the touring in the early days. Perry talks about how driven he himself was. So was Jon. I blame Neal for allowing Steve Perry to take control of the band for ROR and TBF and allowing Ross and Steve Smith to be fired on ROR just to make Perry happy. He sold his soul to get Perry back. Same with Jonathan. I don't like the dynamics of that. Maybe that's why he was so angry. He needed him and knew it and gave up a lot of control.

OT -
I blame Neal Schon for not man-upping and personally speaking with JSS after JM informed him of being let go. They were in a band together before. I believe it was the right decision for Journey, but JSS really jumped in there and helped out and then was hurt by the way it was handled. Neal should have had a man-to-man sitdown after that out of respect to JSS. Jonathan too. JSS deserved no less than that.

Jana wrote:I blame Neal Schon for not man-upping and personally speaking with JSS after JM informed him of being let go.

JM? Since we're talking in code...I thought it was KC who let him know.

I know. I was trying to be brief, but meant to go back and put in about the leak to him before the official announcement.

Arianddu wrote:

Since 78 wrote:
Hey is it 1:07 P.M. there?

In Tasmania, yes, where I am, 1.37 (well, 1.38 now). What with eastern, central and western time, plus the southern states using Daylight savings and the northern, tropical states not using, Australia's now got 5 time zones going. Which is effing stupid, given that's for only 8 regions!

Geez and I thought three was bad! Its always weird looking at the time on the forum which is now 1:27 tomorrow!

artist4perry wrote:I agree! Sometimes it is really hard to know when someone is kidding around or being ugly! Andrew can we get a new emotiocon?

Just to clear up any confusion you might have, I wasn't remotely "kidding". Every interview I see with Neal turns my stomach. He's a big mouth blowhard, who doesn't know when to shut his piehole. The guy has zero class. He has gone out of his way to badmouth Perry, and I think he's a dick. The reality is that Schon should thank his lucky stars EVERY day of his life, because without Perry's voice, Neal isn't out touring on the A.A.R.P. tour! Neal is an immense musician, and I would never give Perry the credit for Neal's obvious talents. That said, Neal isn't selling out a high school cafeteria if Perry's voice didn't put Journey on the map!


John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:

artist4perry wrote:I agree! Sometimes it is really hard to know when someone is kidding around or being ugly! Andrew can we get a new emotiocon?

Just to clear up any confusion you might have, I wasn't remotely "kidding". Every interview I see with Neal turns my stomach. He's a big mouth blowhard, who doesn't know when to shut his piehole. The guy has zero class. He has gone out of his way to badmouth Perry, and I think he's a dick. The reality is that Schon should thank his lucky stars EVERY day of his life, because without Perry's voice, Neal isn't out touring on the A.A.R.P. tour! Neal is an immense musician, and I would never give Perry the credit for Neal's obvious talents. That said, Neal isn't selling out a high school cafeteria if Perry's voice didn't put Journey on the map!


John from Boston

John I do want to appologize for anytime I did misunderstand you! I will assume you are either joking or you will make it clear to me otherwise before I get upset. I am getting to know folks on this site. Sometimes it is hard to read emotion from typed words.

Enigma, I guess I don't need to ask if you've seen a concert this year.

Jana wrote:I know. I was trying to be brief, but meant to go back and put in about the leak to him before the official announcement.

No, seriously. Who's JM? I thought he heard from KC (Kevin Cronin).

Jana wrote:Enigma, I guess I don't need to ask if you've seen a concert this year.

Nope, you don't I'm too old to be chasing around old, washed up rock bands. I'd rather spend time with my son. It's much more rewarding. I honestly haven't considered the guys who have been touring since 1998 to even be "Journey". I know that most on this board do, but to me they're simply a tribute act, which I'm okay with. I simply connected with Journey's music because of Perry's insane talent, and have always been a passionate fan of the music the band put out. I think Perry, Cain, and Schon were one of the most formidable music trios ever assembled. I simply don't like the way Schon conducts himself and never have.


John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:
Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story!

I'm sure he's been a jerk, but I'm also sure they all have. Neal, for the most part, is just a dude who brings his axe to work and wants to write, record and tour.

Enigma869 wrote: He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring.

The truth is that Perry has never taken care of his voice. Was Neal responsible for Perry booking this ridiculous tour schedule in 1994 at the age of 45? Take a look at Nov. 14th-27th. At the age of 45, Perry booked FIVE days in a row and 11 shows in 14 nights!!! I don't think Neal booked these gigs for him. Perry has never known how to take care of his voice. This is proof.

STEVE PERRY
For The Love Of Strange Medicine Released 1994

Oct. 21, 1994 Riverside Theater. Milwaukee, WI Sass Jordan
Oct. 22, 1994 Minneapolis, MN Sass Jordan
Oct. 28, 1994 Taft Theater. Cincinnati, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 29, 1994 Music Hall. Cleveland, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 30, 1994 Arie Crown Theater. Chicago, IL Sass Jordan
Nov. 1, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Auditorium. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 3, 1994 Fox Theater. Detroit ,MI Sass Jordan
Nov. 5, 1994 Stabler Arena. Lehigh Campus. Bethleham, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 7, 1994 DAR Constitution Hall. D.C. Sass Jordan
Nov. 10, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Center. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 14, 1994 Albany, NY Sass Jordan
Nov. 15, 1994 Massey Hall, Toronto, ONT Sass Jordan
Nov. 16, 1994 Tower Theater, Philadelphia Upper Darby, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 17, 1994 Central Maine Civic Center. Lewiston, ME Sass Jordan
Nov. 18, 1994 Orpheum Theater. Boston, Ma Sass Jordan
Nov. 20, 1994 Hershey Park Arena. Hershey, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 22, 1994 Fox Theater. Atlanta, GA Sass Jordan
Nov. 23, 1994 Jacksonville, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 24, 1994 Bob Carr Performing Arts Center. Orlando, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 25, 1994 Sunrise Musical Theater. Sunrise, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 27, 1994 Mahaffey Theater. St. Petersburg, FL Sass Jordan
Dec. 2, 1994 Municipal Auditorium. San Antonio, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 3, 1994 Will Rogers Memorial. Forth Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 7, 1994 Aladdin Theater, Las Vegas, NV Sass Jordan
Dec. 9, 1994 Fort Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 10, 1994 Warner’s Theater. Fresno, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 12, 1994 Speckles Theater .San Diego, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 16, 1994 Pantages Theater. Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 17, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 18, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Seattle, WA unknown
Jan. 11, 1995 Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall Portland, OR Sass Jordan
Jan. 15, 1995 Abravanel Hall. Salt Lake City, Utah Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Paramount Theater. Denver, CO Sass Jordan
Jan. 19, 1995 Memorial Auditorium.. Burlington, IW Sass Jordan
Jan. 20, 1995 Memorial Hall . Kansas City, Kansas Sass Jordan
Jan. 22, 1995 Veterans Memorial. Columbus, OH Sass Jordan
Jan. 25, 1995 Wings Stadium. Kalamazoo, MI Sass Jordan
Jan. 27, 1995 Shea's Performing Arts Center. Buffalo NY Sass Jordan
Jan. 28, 1995 Rochester Auditorium Center, Rochester, NY Sass Jordan
Feb. 2, 1995 Washington, DC Sass Jordan
Feb. 13, 1995 State Theater, New Brunswick, NJ. Opening "act"--some lame guitar player from the local college.
Mar. 10, 1995 Abraham Chavez Theater. El Paso, TX Bone Pony
Mar. 11, 1995 Mesa Amphitheater. Mesa, AZ
Mar. 13, 1995 Bren Events Center. University of California. Irvine, CA Bone Pony
Mar. 14, 1995 Santa Barbara, CA Bone Pony
Mar. ??, 1995 San Francisco, CA
Mar. ??, 1995 Warnors Theater. Fresno, CA
Mar. 22, 1995 San Juan, Puerto Rico

Here we go again, Steve Perry can do no wrong....he's a fucking SAINT!

FightingilliniJourney, JM is Journey management.

Who cares...........

He is FAR from being a saint. He has his minions spying on the rest of us..........

Talk about losing respect for someone in a millisecond.

Purrkat wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:
Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story!

I'm sure he's been a jerk, but I'm also sure they all have. Neal, for the most part, is just a dude who brings his axe to work and wants to write, record and tour.

Enigma869 wrote: He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring.

The truth is that Perry has never taken care of his voice. Was Neal responsible for Perry booking this ridiculous tour schedule in 1994 at the age of 45? Take a look at Nov. 14th-27th. At the age of 45, Perry booked FIVE days in a row and 11 shows in 14 nights!!! I don't think Neal booked these gigs for him. Perry has never known how to take care of his voice. This is proof.

STEVE PERRY
For The Love Of Strange Medicine Released 1994

Oct. 21, 1994 Riverside Theater. Milwaukee, WI Sass Jordan
Oct. 22, 1994 Minneapolis, MN Sass Jordan
Oct. 28, 1994 Taft Theater. Cincinnati, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 29, 1994 Music Hall. Cleveland, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 30, 1994 Arie Crown Theater. Chicago, IL Sass Jordan
Nov. 1, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Auditorium. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 3, 1994 Fox Theater. Detroit ,MI Sass Jordan
Nov. 5, 1994 Stabler Arena. Lehigh Campus. Bethleham, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 7, 1994 DAR Constitution Hall. D.C. Sass Jordan
Nov. 10, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Center. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 14, 1994 Albany, NY Sass Jordan
Nov. 15, 1994 Massey Hall, Toronto, ONT Sass Jordan
Nov. 16, 1994 Tower Theater, Philadelphia Upper Darby, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 17, 1994 Central Maine Civic Center. Lewiston, ME Sass Jordan
Nov. 18, 1994 Orpheum Theater. Boston, Ma Sass Jordan
Nov. 20, 1994 Hershey Park Arena. Hershey, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 22, 1994 Fox Theater. Atlanta, GA Sass Jordan
Nov. 23, 1994 Jacksonville, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 24, 1994 Bob Carr Performing Arts Center. Orlando, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 25, 1994 Sunrise Musical Theater. Sunrise, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 27, 1994 Mahaffey Theater. St. Petersburg, FL Sass Jordan
Dec. 2, 1994 Municipal Auditorium. San Antonio, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 3, 1994 Will Rogers Memorial. Forth Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 7, 1994 Aladdin Theater, Las Vegas, NV Sass Jordan
Dec. 9, 1994 Fort Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 10, 1994 Warner’s Theater. Fresno, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 12, 1994 Speckles Theater .San Diego, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 16, 1994 Pantages Theater. Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 17, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 18, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Seattle, WA unknown
Jan. 11, 1995 Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall Portland, OR Sass Jordan
Jan. 15, 1995 Abravanel Hall. Salt Lake City, Utah Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Paramount Theater. Denver, CO Sass Jordan
Jan. 19, 1995 Memorial Auditorium.. Burlington, IW Sass Jordan
Jan. 20, 1995 Memorial Hall . Kansas City, Kansas Sass Jordan
Jan. 22, 1995 Veterans Memorial. Columbus, OH Sass Jordan
Jan. 25, 1995 Wings Stadium. Kalamazoo, MI Sass Jordan
Jan. 27, 1995 Shea's Performing Arts Center. Buffalo NY Sass Jordan
Jan. 28, 1995 Rochester Auditorium Center, Rochester, NY Sass Jordan
Feb. 2, 1995 Washington, DC Sass Jordan
Feb. 13, 1995 State Theater, New Brunswick, NJ. Opening "act"--some lame guitar player from the local college.
Mar. 10, 1995 Abraham Chavez Theater. El Paso, TX Bone Pony
Mar. 11, 1995 Mesa Amphitheater. Mesa, AZ
Mar. 13, 1995 Bren Events Center. University of California. Irvine, CA Bone Pony
Mar. 14, 1995 Santa Barbara, CA Bone Pony
Mar. ??, 1995 San Francisco, CA
Mar. ??, 1995 Warnors Theater. Fresno, CA
Mar. 22, 1995 San Juan, Puerto Rico

Hmm. Is it just me or are the venues a lot smaller than what SP did when he was with Journey? Also, I wonder if these performances were as "intense" as they were during the Journey era? SP got a lot more mellow in regards to vocal output with FTLOSM.
Unfortunately, I didn't get to attend any of these as I was busy raising 2 sons.

Anyway, how do we "outsiders" know that SP didn't really take care of his voice? I read where he wouldn't talk before Journey performances in order to "save" his voice for the show.

They didn't have to be intensive shows, look at the youtube clips, his voice is ROR ragged x10. He was sounding like a two pack a day smoker when he pulled the plug on that tour.