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Well I dont really do many OT threads, but this one is pretty awful. What do you say to something like this?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24 ... 01,00.html



A CANADIAN man who took his two young daughters out in sub-zero temperatures clad only in nappies and T-shirts has pleaded guilty to criminal negligence over their deaths.

The girls, aged one and three, froze to death in a field after Christopher Pauchay tried to take them to a neighbour's house while he was drunk in January, the Associated Press reported.

The trio went out in in temperatures pushed as low as minus 50C by the wind.

Pauchay eventually made it to his neighbour's house in north Dakota but suffered serious frostbite and hypothermia. Eight hours later, when he was able to speak, he asked about his children.

That set off a search that ended when the girls were found dead in a field.

Pauchay, 24, was charged with criminal negligence by failing to provide protection from exposure to the elements for his children.

Pauchay sobbed in court after pleading guilty to the charge yesterday, the AP said.

Pauchay's lawyer has applied for his client, a member of the Yellow Quill First Nation in Saskatchewan, to have his fate decided by an aboriginal sentencing circle.

Defence lawyer Ron Piche said Pauchay had been drinking and had only a vague recollection of the events.

"Being in the frame of mind that he was, he recalls one of his daughters having fallen and injuring herself. And that was his motivation in leaving the residence that night,'' Mr Piche said.

"He was going to try to get help for his daughter.''

Don't they have phones on the reservations up there or where ever he was staying? Is that why he had to go out to get help?

Heartbreaking.................

Yet, alcohol is legal and weed is not.

This would have never happened from this guy smoking a doobie.

Voyager wrote:Yet, alcohol is legal and weed is not.

This would have never happened from this guy smoking a doobie.

chances are though that had he been smokin a doobie, he would also have had a bottle of whisky in his pocket...... You dont find many potheads who dont drink.....
This is a tragedy,,, and I think the guys lack of common sense and intelligence played a bigger role than just the alcohol itself....

Voyager wrote:Yet, alcohol is legal and weed is not.

This would have never happened from this guy smoking a doobie.

What really pisses me off is when things like this happen and the dumbasses get off because they were drunk....."It wasn't his fault, he didn't know what he was doing."

So what kind of punishment can be netted out during an aboriginal sentencing circle?

Gunbot wrote:So what kind of punishment can be netted out during an aboriginal sentencing circle?

iirp.org wrote:[o]ne of the biggest difficulties with the criminal justice system for Aboriginal people is the fact that it is oriented toward punishment of the offender in the interests of society by imposing a term of imprisonment, fines and, less often, forms of restitution and community service. The two cornerstones of punishment, imprisonment and fines, are both alien to Aboriginal peoples ... [traditionally] the goal for Aboriginal communities after an incident of harm against a person or possessions was to resolve the immediate dispute through healing wounds, restoring social harmony and maintaining a balance among all people in the community. Harmony, balance and community welfare cannot be satisfied when an individual is imprisoned and taken out of the community. In very rare cases, Aboriginal persons may have been banished from the community, but imprisonment might be the offender’s only avenue for healing and restoration. Also, when the offender is removed it may not be possible to restore the victim and the victim’s family or clan to right the wrong. If the offender is paying a ‘debt to society’ through a prison term, what about the repair of the debt to the victim and others in the community (178)?

http://www.iirp.org/library/mn02/mn02_spiteri.html

You should not be under the influence of any dehabilitating substance while caring for children! People need to put their children before their "recreational needs". People need to be sober minded and responsible when caring for children.
Sad for the girls.

artist4perry wrote:You should not be under the influence of any dehabilitating substance while caring for children! People need to put their children before their "recreational needs". People need to be sober minded and responsible when caring for children.
Sad for the girls.

I couldn't agree more. I'll get blasted drunk, but never around my daughter.

Going to prison isn't what will punish this guy though.

Rick wrote:

artist4perry wrote:You should not be under the influence of any dehabilitating substance while caring for children! People need to put their children before their "recreational needs". People need to be sober minded and responsible when caring for children.
Sad for the girls.

I couldn't agree more. I'll get blasted drunk, but never around my daughter.

Going to prison isn't what will punish this guy though.

Your right, he has to live with it for the rest of his life. No jail could be more brutal.

I think he should get the death penalty.

Saint John wrote:I think he should get the death penalty.

Put him in a field somewhere in Canada naked in January, then when he's almost passed out from the cold, have some of Deb from Calgary's Eskimo neighbors standing around that were drinking Molson's all night, piss on him to revive him a bit. (Let him think that warm urine will save his ass).
Then let him freeze.

Uno_up wrote:

Saint John wrote:I think he should get the death penalty.

Put him in a field somewhere in Canada naked in January, then when he's almost passed out from the cold, have some of Deb from Calgary's Eskimo neighbors standing around that were drinking Molson's all night, piss on him to revive him a bit. (Let him think that warm urine will save his ass).
Then let him freeze.

And this fate has just been coined "The Golden Popsicle" by me.

Saint John wrote:

Uno_up wrote:

Saint John wrote:I think he should get the death penalty.

Put him in a field somewhere in Canada naked in January, then when he's almost passed out from the cold, have some of Deb from Calgary's Eskimo neighbors standing around that were drinking Molson's all night, piss on him to revive him a bit. (Let him think that warm urine will save his ass).
Then let him freeze.

And this fate has just been coined "THe Golden Popsicle" by me.

Cuz ya know I live in an igloo colony.

Of course it's not him that froze in that field, it's his helpless children........grrrrr!

Uno_up wrote:

Saint John wrote:I think he should get the death penalty.

Put him in a field somewhere in Canada naked in January, then when he's almost passed out from the cold, have some of Deb from Calgary's Eskimo neighbors standing around that were drinking Molson's all night, piss on him to revive him a bit. (Let him think that warm urine will save his ass).
Then let him freeze.

Dude, learn yerself sum fukkin gegrophy.

Calgary ain't the reservation or Eskimo Village. Calgary is a mirror image of Denver, CO. Want Eskimos? Go to Nanavut. Don't know where it is, look it up. It's a "new" Canadian territory. The folks there are called Inuit. As for Eskees still building cribs out of block ice, you watch way too many fucking popsicle commercials. It's not real dude. Penguins and dudes with hoodies pounding ice cold Cokes with the fuckin polar bears, bumping around in ice skates, having sled races, all the while singing John Denver tunes doesn't really occur.

Fuckin Eskimos shoving their domes down into the frozen ponds and coming up with salmon saying "gonnie goo goo" is a fallacy, don't you know?

So his neighbor lives in North Dakota. Who has jurisdiction, did he cross the border?

Lula wrote:

Uno_up wrote:

Saint John wrote:I think he should get the death penalty.

Put him in a field somewhere in Canada naked in January, then when he's almost passed out from the cold, have some of Deb from Calgary's Eskimo neighbors standing around that were drinking Molson's all night, piss on him to revive him a bit. (Let him think that warm urine will save his ass).
Then let him freeze.

Dude, learn yerself sum fukkin gegrophy.

Calgary ain't the reservation or Eskimo Village. Calgary is a mirror image of Denver, CO. Want Eskimos? Go to Nanavut. Don't know where it is, look it up. It's a "new" Canadian territory. The folks there are called Inuit. As for Eskees still building cribs out of block ice, you watch way too many fucking popsicle commercials. It's not real dude. Penguins and dudes with hoodies pounding ice cold Cokes with the fuckin polar bears, bumping around in ice skates, having sled races, all the while singing John Denver tunes doesn't really occur.

Fuckin Eskimos shoving their domes down into the frozen ponds and coming up with salmon saying "gonnie goo goo" is a fallacy, don't you know?

Is Quinn the Eskimo real?

Lula wrote: Penguins and dudes with hoodies pounding ice cold Cokes with the fuckin polar bears, bumping around in ice skates, having snow mobile races, all the while singing Journey tunes doesn't really occur.

You've never gone winter camping with us, have you?!

Deb wrote:

Lula wrote: Penguins and dudes with hoodies pounding ice cold Cokes with the fuckin polar bears, bumping around in ice skates, having snow mobile races, all the while singing Journey tunes doesn't really occur.

You've never gone winter camping with us, have you?!

No, can't say we have. If I go to visit you, we are going to the Saddledome to pound Molsons, stay warm, and watch a game. And no, you can't have me in the bedroom Deb.

Why would we sing Journey tunes? I would prefer just about anything else to that.

Lula wrote:

Deb wrote:

Lula wrote: Penguins and dudes with hoodies pounding ice cold Cokes with the fuckin polar bears, bumping around in ice skates, having snow mobile races, all the while singing Journey tunes doesn't really occur.

You've never gone winter camping with us, have you?!

No, can't say we have. If I go to visit you, we are going to the Saddledome to pound Molsons, stay warm, and watch a game. And no, you can't have me in the bedroom Deb.

Why would we sing Journey tunes? I would prefer just about anything else to that.

LOL, that's ok, I don't want ya in the bedroom Lu. Going to the Saddledome on Wednesday to see JSS with TSO...........they are sandwiched in between two Flames home games. Cover that ice up.

K, how about Mr. Big tunes?!

Deb wrote:

Lula wrote:

Deb wrote:

Lula wrote: Penguins and dudes with hoodies pounding ice cold Cokes with the fuckin polar bears, bumping around in ice skates, having snow mobile races, all the while singing Journey tunes doesn't really occur.

You've never gone winter camping with us, have you?!

No, can't say we have. If I go to visit you, we are going to the Saddledome to pound Molsons, stay warm, and watch a game. And no, you can't have me in the bedroom Deb.

Why would we sing Journey tunes? I would prefer just about anything else to that.

LOL, that's ok, I don't want ya in the bedroom Lu. Going to the Saddledome on Wednesday to see JSS with TSO...........they are sandwiched in between two Flames games.

K, how about Mr. Big tunes?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9qnuV0vgU lol

Melissa wrote:

Deb wrote:

Lula wrote:

Deb wrote:

Lula wrote: Penguins and dudes with hoodies pounding ice cold Cokes with the fuckin polar bears, bumping around in ice skates, having snow mobile races, all the while singing Journey tunes doesn't really occur.

You've never gone winter camping with us, have you?!

No, can't say we have. If I go to visit you, we are going to the Saddledome to pound Molsons, stay warm, and watch a game. And no, you can't have me in the bedroom Deb.

Why would we sing Journey tunes? I would prefer just about anything else to that.

LOL, that's ok, I don't want ya in the bedroom Lu. Going to the Saddledome on Wednesday to see JSS with TSO...........they are sandwiched in between two Flames games.

K, how about Mr. Big tunes?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9qnuV0vgU lol

Melly, ya kill me with that ever handy link! Guess what baaaaby.......

Deb wrote:

Melissa wrote:

Deb wrote:

Lula wrote:

Deb wrote:

Lula wrote: Penguins and dudes with hoodies pounding ice cold Cokes with the fuckin polar bears, bumping around in ice skates, having snow mobile races, all the while singing Journey tunes doesn't really occur.

You've never gone winter camping with us, have you?!

No, can't say we have. If I go to visit you, we are going to the Saddledome to pound Molsons, stay warm, and watch a game. And no, you can't have me in the bedroom Deb.

Why would we sing Journey tunes? I would prefer just about anything else to that.

LOL, that's ok, I don't want ya in the bedroom Lu. Going to the Saddledome on Wednesday to see JSS with TSO...........they are sandwiched in between two Flames games.

K, how about Mr. Big tunes?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9qnuV0vgU lol

Melly, ya kill me with that ever handy link! Guess what baaaaby.......

Thread about tragedy officially hijacked with way too many smileys.

Angel wrote:Thread about tragedy officially hijacked with way too many smileys.

Bite me. Nat, you hijack queen.

Angel wrote:Thread about tragedy officially hijacked with way too many smileys.

Your lips take up more room than those smileys do, but you're right, I'm ashamed, won't let it happen again.

Deb wrote:

Angel wrote:Thread about tragedy officially hijacked with way too many smileys.

Bite me. Nat, you hijack queen.

Bare it Baby!!!!!

Sometimes you gotta smile to stop yourself from crying.

Angel wrote:

Deb wrote:

Angel wrote:Thread about tragedy officially hijacked with way too many smileys.

Bite me. Nat, you hijack queen.

Bare it Baby!!!!!

Arianddu wrote:Sometimes you gotta smile to stop yourself from crying.

Very true, Arianddu.