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100 most complete guitar players list

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:39 am
by SF-Dano
Article on the main page.

Here is the complete list:

Place Guitarist Total
1 Jimmy Page 87.94
2 Jimi Hendrix 84.92
3 Eddie Van Halen 84.81
4 David Gilmour 82.72
5 Keith Richards 82.48
6 Pete Townshend 80.66
7 Steve Vai 79.74
8 Les Paul 78.61
9 Angus Young 78.56
10 Jeff Beck 77.77
11 Stevie Ray Vaughan 75.86
12 Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath) 74.67
13 Eric Clapton 74.62
14 James Hetfield (Metallica) 73.62
15 Ritchie Blackmore (Rainbow, Deep Purple 72.61
16 Slash (Guns n’ Roses, Velvet Revolver) 71.60
17 Frank Zappa 71.57
18 George Harrison 71.49
19 Randy Rhoads (Ozzy Osbourne) 70.89
20 Ted Nugent 70.83
21 Dave Murray/ Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden) 70.72
22 Carlos Santana 70.44
23 Steve Lukather (Toto) 70.41
24 Joe Satriani 69.71
25 Chuck Berry 69.53
26 Kirk Hammett (Metallica) 69.48
27 Zakk Wylde (Ozzy Osbourne) 68.73
28 Brian May (Queen) 67.57
29 Alex Lifeson (Rush) 67.51
30 Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top) 67.45
31 Malcolm Young (AC/DC) 66.56
32 Joe Perry (Aerosmith) 65.60
33 Joe Walsh (Eagles, James Gang) 63.44
34 B.B. King 63.30
35 Kurt Cobain (Nirvana) 63.17
36 Dimebag Darrell Abbott (Pantera) 62.55
37 Neal Schon (Journey) 62.45
38 John Lennon 62.44
39 Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits) 62.43
40 Dickey Betts (Allman Brothers Band) 60.47
41t Tom Scholz (Boston) 60.42
41t Robby Krieger (Doors) 60.42
43 Buddy Guy 60.38
44 Tom Morello (Rage Against The Machine) 60.37
45 The Edge (U2) 60.34
46 Gary Rossington/Allen Collins (Lynyrd Skynyrd) 59.49
47 Glenn Tipton/K.K. Downing (Judas Priest) 58.64
Place Guitarist Total
48 Peter Frampton 58.59
49 Mick Mars (Motley Crue) 58.34
50 Steve Howe (Yes, Asia) 57.36
51 John Frusciante (Red Hot Chili Peppers) 55.46
52 Brad Whitford (Aerosmith) 55.45
53 Scotty Moore (Elvis Presley, Rick Nelson) 55.35
54 Rik Emmett (Triumph) 54.58
55 Yngwie Malmsteen 54.56
56 Leslie West (Mountain) 54.50
57 Dean DeLeo (Stone Temple Pilots) 54.46
58 Ace Frehley (KISS) 54.38
59 Bo Diddley 54.37
60 Muddy Waters 54.36
61 John 5 (Marilyn Manson, DLR) 53.63
62 Gary Moore (Thin Lizzy) 53.55
63 Paul Gilbert (Mr. Big, Racer X) 53.51
64 George Lynch (Dokken, Lynch Mob) 53.41
65 Adam Jones (Tool) 53.20
66 Robin Trower 52.62
67t Michael Schenker (UFO, MSG) 52.52
67t Johnny Winter 52.52
69 Michael Hedges 52.40
70 Robert Johnson 52.36
71 Dave Mustaine (Megadeth) 52.34
72 Warren DiMartini (Ratt) 51.49
73 Dave Davies (The Kinks) 51.36
74 Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme) 50.52
75 Mark Tremonti (Creed, Alter Bridge) 50.40
76 Dan Donegan (Disturbed) 50.39
77t Warren Haynes (Allman Brothers, Govt. Mule ) 50.36
77t Matthias Jabbs (Scorpions) 50.36
79 Freddie King 50.33
80 Chris DeGarmo/Michael Wilton (Queensryche) 50.28
81t Neil Young 50.23
81t Steve Cropper 50.23
83 Frank Marino (Mahogany Rush) 49.51
84 Ty Tabor (King’s X) 49.46
85 Eric Johnson 49.44
86 Mike McCready (Pearl Jam) 49.34
87 Steve Miller 49.33
88 John Fogerty 49.26
89 John Sykes (Thin Lizzy, Whitesnake) 49.20
90 Vivian Campbell (Def Leppard) 48.41
91t Dick Wagner (Alice Cooper Group) 48.40
91t Kim Thayil (Soundgarden) 48.40
93 Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains) 48.28
94 Glen Buxton (Alice Cooper Group) 47.55
Place Guitarist Total
95 Rick Nielsen (Cheap Trick) 47.44
96 Rod Price (Foghat) 47.41
97t Frank Hannon (Tesla) 47.38
97t Buckethead (Guns n’ Roses) 47.38
99 Steve Stevens (Billy Idol) 47.36
100 Trevor Rabin (Yes) 47.36


I like a lot of the names here, but the order I can't agree with. Some names should not be there at all when using the word "complete" players. It appears, to me anyway, that "Sales" was the major factor of all the criteria. There are a some glaring ommissions - Steve Morse, John Petrucci, Al Petrelli, etc.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:43 am
by conversationpc
Boy, there are several players on that list that I wouldn't consider "complete" players. When I think "complete", I think of people like EVH, Eric Johnson, Steve Morse, etc., guys that are accomplished rhythm players as well as soloists. Oh well, at least Neal's in the top 50.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:17 am
by wastingbeerz
I definitely think Iommi, Gilmour, EVH, and Hendrix belong before Page, but I guess that's just me.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:45 am
by hoagiepete
Not sure how they rated this, but no way would I put George Harrison, Frank Zappa, Carolos Santana, Alex Lifeson, Billy Gibbons and Kurt Cobain in front of Neal. Keith Richards is another.

Overall, it's a pretty decent list though.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:57 am
by wastingbeerz
hoagiepete wrote:Not sure how they rated this, but no way would I put George Harrison, Frank Zappa, Carolos Santana, Alex Lifeson, Billy Gibbons and Kurt Cobain in front of Neal. Keith Richards is another.

Overall, it's a pretty decent list though.


Neal definitely belongs in the top 10, if you ask me.

And also, the fact that Hetfield is not only in front of Mustaine, but so far in front of him, is disgusting. Mustaine pretty much gave Metallica their riff style to begin with.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:05 am
by conversationpc
wastingbeerz wrote:And also, the fact that Hetfield is not only in front of Mustaine, but so far in front of him, is disgusting. Mustaine pretty much gave Metallica their riff style to begin with.


Mustaine is one of the best rhythm guitarists in the business, in my opinion.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:13 am
by Ehwmatt
Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:31 am
by Gin and Tonic Sky
Definitely think Neal should be a peg or two higher. I also think the two guitarists from the Alice Cooper Group- Glen B and Dick Wagner should be a bit higher (especially Glen B ). But then Im as crazy about Cooper and the Alice Cooper group as Rip R is about Dokken, so I might be biased.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:54 am
by SF-Dano
I think the term "complete" is my biggest problem with this list. Factors such as sales, longevity, and influence on industry just don't belong IMO. Those are just ways of getting, as is obvious by some names on the list, players of inferior technical ability onto the list.

My criteria for a "complete" player when compiling a list would only include the items below. Yes, this would cause me to miss good players that I had not heard of, but that is going to happen anyway. I have heard/seen some guys that never made it out of the local club scene that were more "complete" than several guys on the list above. As I am sure there are local guys in everyones area that are incredible players.

What items do you consider to make up a "complete" player? I would be interested to read others thoughts on this.

Mine:
Technical ability - both live and in studio, how many styles and how well can they be played.
Writing - at least for me, there has to be some structure to a piece.
Emotion/Soul/Groove - can they get across the feeling being presented in the song when needed.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:57 am
by Ehwmatt
SF-Dano wrote:I think the term "complete" is my biggest problem with this list. Factors such as sales, longevity, and influence on industry just don't belong IMO. Those are just ways of getting, as is obvious by some names on the list, players of inferior technical ability onto the list.

My criteria for a "complete" player when compiling a list would only include the items below. Yes, this would cause me to miss good players that I had not heard of, but that is going to happen anyway. I have heard/seen some guys that never made it out of the local club scene that were more "complete" than several guys on the list above. As I am sure there are local guys in everyones area that are incredible players.

What items do you consider to make up a "complete" player? I would be interested to read others thoughts on this.

Mine:
Technical ability - both live and in studio, how many styles and how well can they be played.
Writing - at least for me, there has to be some structure to a piece.
Emotion/Soul/Groove - can they get across the feeling being presented in the song when needed.


When I think of "complete," I'm thinking of your criteria, but primarily of the technical ability component. Like guys that can pick up an acoustic and rip into some bluegrass-inspired fingerpicking and then toss it aside and pick up an electric and rip a metal solo that'll make the hairs on your balls stand up. And then launch into a soaring, Neal-like melodic solo in the next song. The only guys with the technical ability and know-how to do this are guys that really understand their instrument - Eric Johnson and some of the other virtuosos I mentioned. And yes, writing is important too, as evidenced by the army of YouTube shredders who could outplay some of my favorite guitarists but don't have a single original and/or good song to showcase it in.

For rock music, Neal, Steve Lukather, and even Lindsey Buckingham come to mind for me.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:08 am
by wastingbeerz
conversationpc wrote:
wastingbeerz wrote:And also, the fact that Hetfield is not only in front of Mustaine, but so far in front of him, is disgusting. Mustaine pretty much gave Metallica their riff style to begin with.


Mustaine is one of the best rhythm guitarists in the business, in my opinion.


And he's no slouch at lead guitar either.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:01 am
by X factor
You know, I've just spent the last two weeks on this board defending the seattle movement...but Kurt Cobain doesn't belong ANYWHERE on this list...much less ahead of MARK FREAKING KNOPHLER!!!!!

...and Warren Haynes in the 70's ? This is why I hate lists like this...

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:11 am
by Since 78
X factor wrote:You know, I've just spent the last two weeks on this board defending the seattle movement...but Kurt Cobain doesn't belong ANYWHERE on this list...much less ahead of MARK FREAKING KNOPHLER!!!!!

...and Warren Haynes in the 70's ? This is why I hate lists like this...


Totally agree! ! and in front of Neal! Ridiculous! Do people get paid to do these lists. :?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:35 am
by S2M
My initial thoughts: As big of a RUSH fan as I am, I think Lifeson should be lower on this list. His playing is very etheral. Personally I don't like his style. But hey, what do *I* know. Second, Scholtz should be WAY higher. Hell, the guy is an engineer, and invented half the shit guitarists use anyway. And I've always loved his tone. Third, Ying/Yang Malmsteen is a hack. Guy plays scales, and wicked fast arpeggios. Ohhhhh...big whoop. Fourth, does every member of Metallica have to be on the fucking list? No Steve Morse? And the BIGGEST omission of all is TFK, or Terry Kath to you...fucking guy was HENDRIX's hero, enough said.

Oh, and Ritchie Blackmore should be lower....another guy who wacks off musically. I bought a couple of Rainbow concerts on DVD. There were FIVE songs on them. Ritchie likes to sonically masturbate during songs. That's why I have a concert with a 17 minute, 'Man on the Silver Mountain', and an 8 minute, 'Still I'm Sad'. Gee, thanks guys. I love watching an entire concert for only FIVE songs. However, his playing on the 'Gates of Babylon' is CLASSIC!

And what about George Lynch? His sound/tone is perhaps the most distinctive of them all. Should be higher....Rip? What say you?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:02 am
by Tomulator
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.



True Dat

8)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:08 am
by S2M
Tomulator wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.



True Dat

8)


Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...Image

BUCK DHARMA of BLue Oyster Cult should be on the list

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:19 am
by kdrew
enough said................ :evil:

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:20 am
by kdrew
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.


I love AC/DC but no way Angus is top 50!!!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:31 am
by Ehwmatt
StocktontoMalone wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.



True Dat

8)


Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...Image


Here, your ignorance is not bliss S2M. You've heard Luke play more than you realize. In addition to having incredible guitar work within the Toto canon, (which I hope you haven't heard much of going by your post) you've probably heard more of his solos than you can even imagine. He's one of the premiere session players of all time. He's unbelievable. Just find some live Toto or Luke footage, you'll see. Or just go look up his ridiculous discography.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:52 am
by S2M
Ehwmatt wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.



True Dat

8)


Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...Image


Here, your ignorance is not bliss S2M. You've heard Luke play more than you realize. In addition to having incredible guitar work within the Toto canon, (which I hope you haven't heard much of going by your post) you've probably heard more of his solos than you can even imagine. He's one of the premiere session players of all time. He's unbelievable. Just find some live Toto or Luke footage, you'll see. Or just go look up his ridiculous discography.


True. I only have the commercial stuff to go by. Perhaps I'll investigate further. Props to you for calling me on my ignorance..... :shock: :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:55 am
by Ehwmatt
StocktontoMalone wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.



True Dat

8)


Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...Image


Here, your ignorance is not bliss S2M. You've heard Luke play more than you realize. In addition to having incredible guitar work within the Toto canon, (which I hope you haven't heard much of going by your post) you've probably heard more of his solos than you can even imagine. He's one of the premiere session players of all time. He's unbelievable. Just find some live Toto or Luke footage, you'll see. Or just go look up his ridiculous discography.


True. I only have the commercial stuff to go by. Perhaps I'll investigate further. Props to you for calling me on my ignorance..... :shock: :lol:


Why not start with Luke's excellent solo release, Ever Changing Times? Some good guitar fireworks there. Or if you're in the holiday spirit, check out Steve Lukather & Friends - Santamental. You'll at least get a glimpse of what Luke is capable of on those two albums.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:32 am
by G.I.Jim
Where the hell's Key Marcello??? Anyone who's heard Europe's Superstitious album would HAVE to put his name on the list! He's in my top 5 guitarists of all time list (in my mind anyway!). His solos make Mr. Clean look dirty!!! :lol:

Also didn't see John Norum on the list. Another kick-ass guitarist! I guess if you count album sales...they wouldn't be that high up there, but they're both better than 1/3 of that list!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:36 pm
by Tomulator
StocktontoMalone wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.



True Dat

8)


Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...Image


Not that Roseanna is Luke's finest moment but...did you even LISTEN to what he plays???!!!

:shock:

Not to pick a fight or anything but, you really don't know much about guitar playing do you?

Luke is a BEAST.

:? :?:

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:38 pm
by Tomulator
Ehwmatt wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?

The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.



True Dat

8)




Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...Image


Here, your ignorance is not bliss S2M. You've heard Luke play more than you realize. In addition to having incredible guitar work within the Toto canon, (which I hope you haven't heard much of going by your post) you've probably heard more of his solos than you can even imagine. He's one of the premiere session players of all time. He's unbelievable. Just find some live Toto or Luke footage, you'll see. Or just go look up his ridiculous discography.


Pick up Luke's "Santamental" disc for the Holidays.

Tell me there isn't GREAT playing on that disc.

8)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:18 pm
by conversationpc
StocktontoMalone wrote:My initial thoughts: As big of a RUSH fan as I am, I think Lifeson should be lower on this list. His playing is very etheral. Personally I don't like his style. But hey, what do *I* know.


I'm also a huge Rush fan, as you know, and I don't think he should be that high. He's an awesome rhythm player but I've never cared much for his solos. He's not a bad soloist but none of them really stand out for me. I can only really remember two of his solos, the one in "Limelight" and the one in "Mission". But I don't really like the one in "Limelight", though it's my favorite Rush tune.

Third, Ying/Yang Malmsteen is a hack. Guy plays scales, and wicked fast arpeggios. Ohhhhh...big whoop.


You clearly have no clue what you're talking about here. The guy does not simply just play scales and sweep arpeggios. He mixes up the notes just like any other good guitarist does.

Fourth, does every member of Metallica have to be on the fucking list?


Hetfield shouldn't necessarily be on there but he is a monster rhythm player and I think his soloing abilities are underappreciated. I've never been a huge fan of Kirk Hammett but he's certainly not a bad player.

No Steve Morse?


Yeah, what up with that? He's probably one of the top 10 guitarists in rock/country rock. The dude smokes almost everyone on this list.

Oh, and Ritchie Blackmore should be lower....another guy who wacks off musically. I bought a couple of Rainbow concerts on DVD. There were FIVE songs on them. Ritchie likes to sonically masturbate during songs. That's why I have a concert with a 17 minute, 'Man on the Silver Mountain', and an 8 minute, 'Still I'm Sad'. Gee, thanks guys. I love watching an entire concert for only FIVE songs. However, his playing on the 'Gates of Babylon' is CLASSIC!


Blackmore is an astounding soloist. Flat and simple. He's nearly as good as it gets in that department. However, and he has admitted this himself, he is not that great a rhythm player. That knocks him down a few notches, in my opinion.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:10 am
by SF-Dano
conversationpc wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:
No Steve Morse?


Yeah, what up with that? He's probably one of the top 10 guitarists in rock/country rock. The dude smokes almost everyone on this list.



True Dat. No 1 in my book when using the term "complete" player.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:50 am
by Behshad
StocktontoMalone wrote:My initial thoughts: As big of a RUSH fan as I am, I think Lifeson should be lower on this list. His playing is very etheral. Personally I don't like his style. But hey, what do *I* know. Second, Scholtz should be WAY higher. Hell, the guy is an engineer, and invented half the shit guitarists use anyway. And I've always loved his tone. Third, Ying/Yang Malmsteen is a hack. Guy plays scales, and wicked fast arpeggios. Ohhhhh...big whoop. Fourth, does every member of Metallica have to be on the fucking list? No Steve Morse? And the BIGGEST omission of all is TFK, or Terry Kath to you...fucking guy was HENDRIX's hero, enough said.

Oh, and Ritchie Blackmore should be lower....another guy who wacks off musically. I bought a couple of Rainbow concerts on DVD. There were FIVE songs on them. Ritchie likes to sonically masturbate during songs. That's why I have a concert with a 17 minute, 'Man on the Silver Mountain', and an 8 minute, 'Still I'm Sad'. Gee, thanks guys. I love watching an entire concert for only FIVE songs. However, his playing on the 'Gates of Babylon' is CLASSIC!

And what about George Lynch? His sound/tone is perhaps the most distinctive of them all. Should be higher....Rip? What say you?


In regards to Yngwie,,,,, 1st of,, he is the KING of Neoclassical rock. He brought it here and everyone and their brother tried to copy it.
Also, I am 100% sure you havent listened to any of his albums,,,, his songwritting skills are more than a handfull of arpeggios and licks and scales.... the guy can write some amazing music,, not just the guitar and the bass part,, but also lyrics... I will hook you up with some of his stuff that will make you eat your words! he is the only one of ALL the guitar players mentioned above that wrote a dozen of songs , part by part for every instrument for the Japanese philharmonic orchestra and played those songs with them.... PM me and I will introduce you to the REAL Ynwgie, not just the speed demon who plays the same scales you think he is.....

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:30 am
by ProgRocker53
I'm throwing down another vote of support for Steve Lukather.

Anyone who doubts him should listen to Toto's underappreciated Kingdom of Desire album, and follow it up with the recent Falling in Between release.

EXCELLENT, tasteful, heavy, smooth.... Luke.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:49 am
by S2M
Behshad wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:My initial thoughts: As big of a RUSH fan as I am, I think Lifeson should be lower on this list. His playing is very etheral. Personally I don't like his style. But hey, what do *I* know. Second, Scholtz should be WAY higher. Hell, the guy is an engineer, and invented half the shit guitarists use anyway. And I've always loved his tone. Third, Ying/Yang Malmsteen is a hack. Guy plays scales, and wicked fast arpeggios. Ohhhhh...big whoop. Fourth, does every member of Metallica have to be on the fucking list? No Steve Morse? And the BIGGEST omission of all is TFK, or Terry Kath to you...fucking guy was HENDRIX's hero, enough said.

Oh, and Ritchie Blackmore should be lower....another guy who wacks off musically. I bought a couple of Rainbow concerts on DVD. There were FIVE songs on them. Ritchie likes to sonically masturbate during songs. That's why I have a concert with a 17 minute, 'Man on the Silver Mountain', and an 8 minute, 'Still I'm Sad'. Gee, thanks guys. I love watching an entire concert for only FIVE songs. However, his playing on the 'Gates of Babylon' is CLASSIC!

And what about George Lynch? His sound/tone is perhaps the most distinctive of them all. Should be higher....Rip? What say you?


In regards to Yngwie,,,,, 1st of,, he is the KING of Neoclassical rock. He brought it here and everyone and their brother tried to copy it.
Also, I am 100% sure you havent listened to any of his albums,,,, his songwritting skills are more than a handfull of arpeggios and licks and scales.... the guy can write some amazing music,, not just the guitar and the bass part,, but also lyrics... I will hook you up with some of his stuff that will make you eat your words! he is the only one of ALL the guitar players mentioned above that wrote a dozen of songs , part by part for every instrument for the Japanese philharmonic orchestra and played those songs with them.... PM me and I will introduce you to the REAL Ynwgie, not just the speed demon who plays the same scales you think he is.....


How can you make a determination that I've never listened to any of his albums? I've known about him since the JSS days, my friend. Then the Mark Boals era. His early stuff IS better, but overall, he just doesn't do anything for me. I'd rather listen to Satch, or Vai. And I'll tell you what - PRINCE should be on this list, and ahead of Yngwie. Talk about someone who can, and does play every instrument on his albums.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:13 am
by DracIsBack
StocktontoMalone wrote: And the BIGGEST omission of all is TFK, or Terry Kath to you


I saw that and almost choked myself.