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So how many copies has this thing sold in America?

I'm curious too. I 'm surprised they haven't said anything on their website about it going platinum.

I'm not surprised their official site is terrible.

I just lokked at Billboard and the RIAA's site and there's nothing there either.

Last "official" count was just shy of the 500k mark to make it Platinum. At that time the CD was still in the Top 40. Revelation held onto the Top 100 for several more weeks. And Kevin Shirley reported that it HAD indeed sold enough to be considered Platinum. This news was repeated by Andrew. But RIAA will not award Platinum status for the CD until an audit of sales has been requested and paid for by the band/management. We may never get an official award for Revelation...

I would be willing to speculate that physical sales are around 600k and there are downloads and ZVUE Player purchases to be included!

Maybe having retreads on both discs screwed up the count.

People still buy CD's?

Putting FITH on the first disc like it's original was corny, considering the second disc was declared the re-recorded material. If Cain has 400 songs on his computer, he couldn't pull up at least one more to make the first disc all new material?

Gunbot wrote:Putting FITH on the first disc like it's original was corny, considering the second disc was declared the re-recorded material. If Cain has 400 songs on his computer, he couldn't pull up at least one more to make the first disc all new material?

It was only corny to us. None of the casual fans had heard it because nobody bought Generations. It was included in the concert ticket prices and was distributed to the concert goers, but how many people is that?

It's a great song that deserves to be heard, and that would have never happened leaving it on Generations. My opinion anyway.

Rick wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Putting FITH on the first disc like it's original was corny, considering the second disc was declared the re-recorded material. If Cain has 400 songs on his computer, he couldn't pull up at least one more to make the first disc all new material?

It was only corny to us. None of the casual fans had heard it because nobody bought Generations. It was included in the concert ticket prices and was distributed to the concert goers, but how many people is that?

It's a great song that deserves to be heard, and that would have never happened leaving it on Generations. My opinion anyway.

You don't think it should have been put on Disc two? It's a great song but I don't want them to diminish Augeri's contributions to the band by passing it off as an original.

Either way it put the record over the 50% mark as far as previously released material which made Revelation ineligible for a Grammy nod in the Rock Album category, since they were covering themselves and not a different artist ( not that it would have got nominated anyway but you never know).

Gunbot wrote:

Rick wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Putting FITH on the first disc like it's original was corny, considering the second disc was declared the re-recorded material. If Cain has 400 songs on his computer, he couldn't pull up at least one more to make the first disc all new material?

It was only corny to us. None of the casual fans had heard it because nobody bought Generations. It was included in the concert ticket prices and was distributed to the concert goers, but how many people is that?

It's a great song that deserves to be heard, and that would have never happened leaving it on Generations. My opinion anyway.

You don't think it should have been put on Disc two? It's a great song but I don't want them to diminish Augeri's contributions to the band by passing it off as an original.

Either way it put the record over the 50% mark as far as previously released material which made Revelation ineligible for a Grammy nod in the Rock Album category, since they were covering themselves and not a different artist ( not that it would have got nominated anyway but you never know).

No, Disc 2 is the greatest hits. FITH doesn't qualify, in my opinion, to be on that disc.

A better question would be:

Have the number of posts on the topic of whether or not Revelation has gone gold, platinum, silver, or bronze -- reached platinum-type numbers yet?

StocktontoMalone wrote:A better question would be:

Have the number of posts on the topic of whether or not Revelation has gone gold, platinum, silver, or bronze -- reached platinum-type numbers yet?

Rick wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Putting FITH on the first disc like it's original was corny, considering the second disc was declared the re-recorded material. If Cain has 400 songs on his computer, he couldn't pull up at least one more to make the first disc all new material?

It was only corny to us. None of the casual fans had heard it because nobody bought Generations. It was included in the concert ticket prices and was distributed to the concert goers, but how many people is that?

It's a great song that deserves to be heard, and that would have never happened leaving it on Generations. My opinion anyway.

Agree 100%. It's a great song that was lost in the shuffle of the Generations release. I'm happy it got another chance on Revelation.

if the walmart deal is similar to the eagles deal,
walmart agreed to buy so many copies with 0 returns
so they may have bought 1000000 copies up front making it platinum(double actually)

Somewhere I posted a thread w/sales totals a couple months ago. I can't remember what it was called though.

Jeremey wrote:Somewhere I posted a thread w/sales totals a couple months ago. I can't remember what it was called though.

Well thanks for nothing then!

Jeremey wrote:Somewhere I posted a thread w/sales totals a couple months ago. I can't remember what it was called though.

This one?

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4207838

So for auditing purposes it should be shipped units minus returns. In theory then a record may appear Platinum or Gold when the returns still haven't been counted yet, so until we get a net shipped number, the album's Official Certification status is in limbo.

From what I understand, the certification process involves an attestation by a professional services firm to prove that sales are actual sales taken in full consideration of returns. I would suspect that the cost of certification is shouldered by the band....maybe Journey's having a hard time paying it's bills right now! It wouldn't be the first time! Either that, or Neal Schon blew the money reserved for the attestation on hoes...

It's still pretty fucking sad that this band got to what is considered platinum on essentially 3/5 of a one full CD. (considering the fact that The other CD of shittily recorded retreads on Friga's garage 8 track and 2/5 of the "new" CD is old, stolen or redone material). Once you remove the 3-4 redone songs on the new CD, you've got a cheap-ass platinum 'certification' on 6 songs....of which 2 should have never fucking been recorded, they're that fucking bad....

strangegrey wrote:From what I understand, the certification process involves an attestation by a professional services firm to prove that sales are actual sales taken in full consideration of returns. I would suspect that the cost of certification is shouldered by the band....maybe Journey's having a hard time paying it's bills right now! It wouldn't be the first time! Either that, or Neal Schon blew the money reserved for the attestation on hoes...

It's still pretty fucking sad that this band got to what is considered platinum on essentially 3/5 of a one full CD. (considering the fact that The other CD of shittily recorded retreads on Friga's garage 8 track and 2/5 of the "new" CD is old, stolen or redone material). Once you remove the 3-4 redone songs on the new CD, you've got a cheap-ass platinum 'certification' on 6 songs....of which 2 should have never fucking been recorded, they're that fucking bad....

It's $400 for the audit process. Not a big deal. Regarding the other situation RE 3/5ths of a CD....To counter your point, think about all the platinum albums over the past several years that have gone platinum on the strength of only one or two singles. No one makes an album for an album's sake anymore. I don't think Journey had half the filler on Revelation that most other acts do these days, at least not intentionally.

jestor92 wrote:I'm not surprised their official site is terrible.

I know...it blows....so much for the new and improved journeymusic.com??
When's the last time their site was updated? PATHETIC!

Folks, give it up already. Revelations is not going platinum,and if you need all these other gadget sales(MP3 players and all that bullshit), plus the voodoo math that 3 discs equal one; then you are dreaming. The album is not hat great.

Make a record that is worthy, then the critics that be will listen if it is worthy. This CD is not worthy, period.

Rockindeano wrote:Folks, give it up already. Revelations is not going platinum,and if you need all these other gadget sales(MP3 players and all that bullshit), plus the voodoo math that 3 discs equal one; then you are dreaming. The album is not hat great.

Make a record that is worthy, then the critics that be will listen if it is worthy. This CD is not worthy, period.

No shit, i agree,so does glenn

OMG! Will you shut up, I am trying to eat some Peanut Butter Crunch here! It is impossible with you and your sayings!!

I just spit out a few spoonfuls!

i thought you were a swallower

Rockindeano wrote:Folks, give it up already. Revelations is not going platinum,and if you need all these other gadget sales(MP3 players and all that bullshit), plus the voodoo math that 3 discs equal one; then you are dreaming. The album is not hat great.

Make a record that is worthy, then the critics that be will listen if it is worthy. This CD is not worthy, period.

Excuse me all over the place.
Says the guy who I KNOW hasn't even LISTENED to it yet.
It IS platinum, though Neal's on record as saying he's not a huge fan of forking out to have it certified.
It's over the requisite 500k, though.
Penn State 24 USC 20.

Rockindeano wrote:Make a record that is worthy, then the critics that be will listen if it is worthy. This CD is not worthy, period.

Dean, I think Revelation's a very good effort. Much better than anything they've done since Trial By Fire or Arrival. The critics actually have (for the most part) given Revelation positive reviews. AND we all know the critics have always hated Journey, regardless, so the reviews on Revelation were surprising.

stevew2 wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Folks, give it up already. Revelations is not going platinum,and if you need all these other gadget sales(MP3 players and all that bullshit), plus the voodoo math that 3 discs equal one; then you are dreaming. The album is not hat great.

Make a record that is worthy, then the critics that be will listen if it is worthy. This CD is not worthy, period.

No shit, i agree,so does glenn

I'm with Steve and Glenn

Cat

This act is so tiring.

I wish phpBB had an ignore feature.

Jeremey wrote:It's $400 for the audit process. Not a big deal. Regarding the other situation RE 3/5ths of a CD....To counter your point, think about all the platinum albums over the past several years that have gone platinum on the strength of only one or two singles. No one makes an album for an album's sake anymore. I don't think Journey had half the filler on Revelation that most other acts do these days, at least not intentionally.

Hard to argue with that logic Jeremey...There are PLENTY of filler loaded shitty albums that went platinum on one song....

I just think that the inclusion of the shitty retreads was a cheap ass way to get to the finish line with half the work. Are there albums out there that have done the same thing? Sure...again, it doesn't make it right....