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OT: Good Times Stop Rolling In Vegas

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:22 am
by Voyager
I'll bet you can get a cheap hotel in Vegas right now.

Time.com Monday, Dec. 29, 2008

With Las Vegas in the grips of its worst economy since the early 1980s, the storm that dumped four inches of snow on the desert metropolis in mid-December felt like piling on. The city's cocksure swagger is gone.

Gaming revenue in Clark County, which includes downtown Las Vegas and the Strip, is down 8.5% for the year, to $8.3 billion. But the revenue for October, the last month for which figures are available, is off an ominous 24.3% vs. the same month in 2007. Visitor volume is down 3% over last year, though the city's convention business is holding steady.

The Strip's restaurants have seen a proportional decrease along with overall visitor traffic. David McIntyre, vice president of food and beverage at MGM Grand — which counts among its stable of high-end eateries such restaurants as Shibuya, Nobhill and a pair from French maestro Joel Robuchon — notes that visitors have become more careful with their dollars. "They're still going out to eat; they're just not spending as much money," McIntyre says. "They might not have that second glass of wine." (See 10 things to do in Las Vegas.)

The recession is hitting Las Vegas on all fronts. Nevada legislators have struggled to close a deficit of more than $1 billion in the 2009 budget. Budget projections for 2010 and 2011 also look grim. Construction on Boyd Gaming's $4.8 billion Echelon resort was stopped last August just as three of its towers reached the 12th floor (the tallest would have risen to 55 stories). Construction won't resume until 2010, though the cranes will remain towering above the site (it's cheaper to leave them in place — and these days no one else in town needs them).

A mile or two down the Strip, MGM Mirage just sold off Treasure Island for $775 million to billionaire casino operator Phil Ruffin. The cash infusion should help the corporation finish construction on its $9.1 billion CityCenter, the largest private construction job in the U.S. Yet even in the best-case scenario, Vegas — and the rest of the country — won't begin to drive out of the ditch until the end of next year, as consumer spending improves, new hiring resumes and the city's battered construction industry gets back on its feet. The worst case? The recession deepens, and the ditch turns into a cliff.

From any vantage point, the situation is grim. Construction in the area dropped 92% in October, compared with the same month a year earlier. In November the county issued 80 new home permits, down from an average of almost 500 permits a month in 2007. Housing prices have deflated with a deafening groan. Keith Schwer, who runs the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas, estimates that 50% of homeowners owe more than what their home is worth. Perhaps the only positive note is that housing prices have returned to more reasonable levels. "We're getting back into the affordability range," Schwer says. "The only problem is we don't have credit to buy them, and we're losing jobs."

Nevada's unemployment rate jumped from 0.4% to 8% in November, the highest rate since 1984, and Schwer says it could rise to 10% next year. The figure translates to more than 111,700 unemployed Nevadans, according to the state's Department of Employment, Training and Rehabilitation. (The national rate is 6.7%.) Meanwhile, the city's largest food bank, Three Square, which supplies food to nonprofits throughout the city, budgeted $250,000 for purchasing food in 2008. The total food need for destitute families throughout the Las Vegas Valley is closer to $1.3 million.

Las Vegas, however, is nothing if not optimistic. Its history gives it good reason to be. Boosters point to the coming 2009 debuts of CityCenter, the Fountainebleau and the M Resort, which add up to $20 billion of construction, as proof that the Vegas brand is fundamentally strong. "There's a resilience to Las Vegas that's unlike anything else you see in the country," says Dick Rizzo, vice chairman of Perini Building Co., the largest construction firm in town.

And then, as if on cue, here comes Steve Wynn. Three days before Christmas, he opened the new addition to his swanky Wynn Las Vegas resort, a $2.3 billion, 2,034-room playground called Encore. The new property is easily the most decorative and jubilant in the city; it lets in an abundance of natural light while somehow managing to keep the view of a struggling city at bay.

A new casino opening always pumps some energy into Las Vegas. But Vegas shares with the rest of the country the feeling that things will get worse before they get better. Whether Encore signals a new beginning for Las Vegas, the way Wynn's Mirage did in 1989, is not a bet to take lightly. "We're still in a fairly early phase in the downturn," says Schwer. "I don't see Steve Wynn sticking his finger in the dike and holding it back."


:shock:

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:28 am
by Jana
Add to that worst holiday says in 40 year history, and expecting retailers may close up to 73,000 stores the first half of next year. :(

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:36 am
by Rockindeano
Jana wrote:Add to that worst holiday says in 40 year history, and expecting retailers may close up to 73,000 stores the first half of next year. :(


I don't understand this..hehe, we all got tax rebate checks, and the top 1% got that tax break so we should have millions of new jobs! The fundamentals of the economy are strong. America is a bunch of whiners.

Those quotes sound familiar?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:40 am
by Rick
Rockindeano wrote:
Jana wrote:Add to that worst holiday says in 40 year history, and expecting retailers may close up to 73,000 stores the first half of next year. :(


I don't understand this..hehe, we all got tax rebate checks, and the top 1% got that tax break so we should have millions of new jobs! The fundamentals of the economy are strong. America is a bunch of whiners.

Those quotes sound familiar?


The U.S. went from one of it's healthiest times, ever, financially, to circling the drain, in 8 short years.

Just a cycle. :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:55 am
by Saint John
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Jana wrote:Add to that worst holiday says in 40 year history, and expecting retailers may close up to 73,000 stores the first half of next year. :(


I don't understand this..hehe, we all got tax rebate checks, and the top 1% got that tax break so we should have millions of new jobs! The fundamentals of the economy are strong. America is a bunch of whiners.

Those quotes sound familiar?


The U.S. went from one of it's healthiest times, ever, financially, to circling the drain, in 8 short years.

Just a cycle. :lol:
It's the whole world. Toyota just posted a loss for the time...ever. Over a billion dollars. We were doing fine up until about 1 year and a half ago. My economy is still great. People should have saved $$$ from the good times, but they didn't. That "great economy" was all bullshit anyway. The dotcom companies of the Clinton era into the Bush era were all cooking the books and the bubble finally burst. That"wealth" was all bullshit.

PS My tax break check is still in the bank. I wonder who else can say that.

Re: OT: Good Times Stop Rolling In Vegas

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:56 am
by bluejeangirl76
Time.com wrote:
With Las Vegas in the grips of its worst economy since the early 1980s, the storm that dumped four inches of snow on the desert metropolis in mid-December felt like piling on. The city's cocksure swagger is gone.



Am I the only one who skimmed that too fast and thought I saw "cocksucker"? :shock:

Re: OT: Good Times Stop Rolling In Vegas

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:57 am
by Rhiannon
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Time.com wrote:
With Las Vegas in the grips of its worst economy since the early 1980s, the storm that dumped four inches of snow on the desert metropolis in mid-December felt like piling on. The city's cocksure swagger is gone.



Am I the only one who skimmed that too fast and thought I saw "cocksucker"? :shock:


Nope. :oops:

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:57 am
by Don
Saint John wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Jana wrote:Add to that worst holiday says in 40 year history, and expecting retailers may close up to 73,000 stores the first half of next year. :(


I don't understand this..hehe, we all got tax rebate checks, and the top 1% got that tax break so we should have millions of new jobs! The fundamentals of the economy are strong. America is a bunch of whiners.

Those quotes sound familiar?


The U.S. went from one of it's healthiest times, ever, financially, to circling the drain, in 8 short years.

Just a cycle. :lol:
It's the whole world. Toyota just posted a loss for the time...ever. Over a billion dollars. We were doing fine up until about 1 year and a half ago. My economy is still great. People should have saved $$$ from the good times, but they didn't. That "great economy" was all bullshit anyway. The dotcom companies of the Clinton era into the Bush era were all cooking the books and the bubble finally burst. That"wealth" was all bullshit.

PS My tax break check is still in the bank. I wonder who else can say that.


Could you give Tito a loan so he could trade in the Malibu for a Prius?

Re: OT: Good Times Stop Rolling In Vegas

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:58 am
by Voyager
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Time.com wrote:
With Las Vegas in the grips of its worst economy since the early 1980s, the storm that dumped four inches of snow on the desert metropolis in mid-December felt like piling on. The city's cocksure swagger is gone.



Am I the only one who skimmed that too fast and thought I saw "cocksucker"? :shock:


I'm sure the street corners on the Strip are full of them looking for a John. So, the term "The city's cocksuckers' swagger is gone" probably fits too.

:lol:

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:01 am
by Ehwmatt
Saint John wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Jana wrote:Add to that worst holiday says in 40 year history, and expecting retailers may close up to 73,000 stores the first half of next year. :(


I don't understand this..hehe, we all got tax rebate checks, and the top 1% got that tax break so we should have millions of new jobs! The fundamentals of the economy are strong. America is a bunch of whiners.

Those quotes sound familiar?


The U.S. went from one of it's healthiest times, ever, financially, to circling the drain, in 8 short years.

Just a cycle. :lol:
It's the whole world. Toyota just posted a loss for the time...ever. Over a billion dollars. We were doing fine up until about 1 year and a half ago. My economy is still great. People should have saved $$$ from the good times, but they didn't. That "great economy" was all bullshit anyway. The dotcom companies of the Clinton era into the Bush era were all cooking the books and the bubble finally burst. That"wealth" was all bullshit.

PS My tax break check is still in the bank. I wonder who else can say that.


You mean you didn't blow it on dozens of beers and triple shots of Goose?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:03 am
by Saint John
Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Jana wrote:Add to that worst holiday says in 40 year history, and expecting retailers may close up to 73,000 stores the first half of next year. :(


I don't understand this..hehe, we all got tax rebate checks, and the top 1% got that tax break so we should have millions of new jobs! The fundamentals of the economy are strong. America is a bunch of whiners.

Those quotes sound familiar?


The U.S. went from one of it's healthiest times, ever, financially, to circling the drain, in 8 short years.

Just a cycle. :lol:
It's the whole world. Toyota just posted a loss for the time...ever. Over a billion dollars. We were doing fine up until about 1 year and a half ago. My economy is still great. People should have saved $$$ from the good times, but they didn't. That "great economy" was all bullshit anyway. The dotcom companies of the Clinton era into the Bush era were all cooking the books and the bubble finally burst. That"wealth" was all bullshit.

PS My tax break check is still in the bank. I wonder who else can say that.


You mean you didn't blow it on dozens of beers and triple shots of Goose?
No...but I almost had to use it to pay for a trashed hotel room. :shock: :evil: :wink:

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:04 am
by Voyager
Gunbot wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Jana wrote:Add to that worst holiday says in 40 year history, and expecting retailers may close up to 73,000 stores the first half of next year. :(


I don't understand this..hehe, we all got tax rebate checks, and the top 1% got that tax break so we should have millions of new jobs! The fundamentals of the economy are strong. America is a bunch of whiners.

Those quotes sound familiar?


The U.S. went from one of it's healthiest times, ever, financially, to circling the drain, in 8 short years.

Just a cycle. :lol:
It's the whole world. Toyota just posted a loss for the time...ever. Over a billion dollars. We were doing fine up until about 1 year and a half ago. My economy is still great. People should have saved $$$ from the good times, but they didn't. That "great economy" was all bullshit anyway. The dotcom companies of the Clinton era into the Bush era were all cooking the books and the bubble finally burst. That"wealth" was all bullshit.

PS My tax break check is still in the bank. I wonder who else can say that.


Could you give Tito a loan so he could trade in the Malibu for a Prius?


I can't give him a loan, but I will be glad to trade him this Prius for his Malibu title for title:

Image

:lol:

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:06 am
by Saint John
That Prius is about as nice as his Malibu.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:57 am
by DrFU
Saint John wrote:
PS My tax break check is still in the bank.


Set aside to cover your bar tab the next time Journey plays Vegas ...

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:01 am
by Saint John
DrFU wrote:
Saint John wrote:
PS My tax break check is still in the bank.


Set aside to cover your bar tab the next time Journey plays Vegas ...
lol...I'd have to take it easy then.