MR

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:36 pm**

OK, 2 questions. I'm no voice major, so is the famous high note in Wheel In The Sky during the guitar lead sung in falsetto by SP, or is at the top of his full voice range?

I've been listening to it a lot lately and can't tell. His range was so high then, I can't be sure.

Also, on the re-records on Revelation, the note sounds the same. Is that Arnel, a spliced in SP or what? Arnel's voice, although spectacular, doesn't seem to have THAT kind of range on the rest of the record.

No matter our differences, no matter our opinions............. I just friggin' love Journey. SP is the best rock singer of all-time to me, but thank God the Journey continues.

I'd rather it be with SP, but I'd also rather it be with Arnel than not at all. Those songs NEED to be heard by this generation of young people and musicians.

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:41 pm**

madsplash wrote:OK, 2 questions. I'm no voice major, so is the famous high note in Wheel In The Sky during the guitar lead sung in falsetto by SP, or is at the top of his full voice range?

I've been listening to it a lot lately and can't tell. His range was so high then, I can't be sure.

Also, on the re-records on Revelation, the note sounds the same. Is that Arnel, a spliced in SP or what? Arnel's voice, although spectacular, doesn't seem to have THAT kind of range on the rest of the record.

No matter our differences, no matter our opinions............. I just friggin' love Journey. SP is the best rock singer of all-time to me, but thank God the Journey continues.

I'd rather it be with SP, but I'd also rather it be with Arnel than not at all. Those songs NEED to be heard by this generation of young people and musicians.

I'd say definitely falsetto. Not sure about what they did on Revelation.

I agree with everything else you said.

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:42 pm**

madsplash wrote:OK, 2 questions. I'm no voice major, so is the famous high note in Wheel In The Sky during the guitar lead sung in falsetto by SP, or is at the top of his full voice range?

I've been listening to it a lot lately and can't tell. His range was so high then, I can't be sure.

Also, on the re-records on Revelation, the note sounds the same. Is that Arnel, a spliced in SP or what? Arnel's voice, although spectacular, doesn't seem to have THAT kind of range on the rest of the record.

No matter our differences, no matter our opinions............. I just friggin' love Journey. SP is the best rock singer of all-time to me, but thank God the Journey continues.

I'd rather it be with SP, but I'd also rather it be with Arnel than not at all. Those songs NEED to be heard by this generation of young people and musicians.

Um... NEALS guitar at the beginning of the song from infinity is the best... Love the intro there!!
Rick

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:58 pm**

I think it was done at the top of his range, I think he only used falsetto when he would add little trailer notes live. I think the re-recorded version is an instrument. Arnel is good as a high tenor but that alto range is beyond him I believe. He tends to sound jagged when he tries to sustain the high notes from what I can hear.

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:12 pm**

Rick wrote:
madsplash wrote:OK, 2 questions. I'm no voice major, so is the famous high note in Wheel In The Sky during the guitar lead sung in falsetto by SP, or is at the top of his full voice range?

I've been listening to it a lot lately and can't tell. His range was so high then, I can't be sure.

Also, on the re-records on Revelation, the note sounds the same. Is that Arnel, a spliced in SP or what? Arnel's voice, although spectacular, doesn't seem to have THAT kind of range on the rest of the record.

No matter our differences, no matter our opinions............. I just friggin' love Journey. SP is the best rock singer of all-time to me, but thank God the Journey continues.

I'd rather it be with SP, but I'd also rather it be with Arnel than not at all. Those songs NEED to be heard by this generation of young people and musicians.

I'd say definitely falsetto. Not sure about what they did on Revelation.

I agree with everything else you said.

Ditto.

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:25 pm**

Gunbot wrote:I think it was done at the top of his range, I think he only used falsetto when he would add little trailer notes live. I think the re-recorded version is an instrument. Arnel is good as a high tenor but that alto range is beyond him I believe. He tends to sound jagged when he tries to sustain the high notes from what I can hear.

Are you speaking of SP or AP when you say "top of range?" I say falsetto, because if you go listen whether it is live or Infinity, he "bridges" his way, changes tracks so to speak, to go to falsetto. However, that's not to say he couldn't do that note naturally. He hit the highest note ever recorded with Somethin' to Hide, so he could definitely "do it."

That's is my theory. Fuck it, let's all fire JSS PM's asking his advice.

Seriously, everyone reading this, fire JSS off a PM titled, "Perry's WITS. Exactly the same title. Let's fuck with Soto. You can all blame me for it in the PM body.

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:30 pm**

Rockindeano wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think it was done at the top of his range, I think he only used falsetto when he would add little trailer notes live. I think the re-recorded version is an instrument. Arnel is good as a high tenor but that alto range is beyond him I believe. He tends to sound jagged when he tries to sustain the high notes from what I can hear.

Are you speaking of SP or AP when you say "top of range?" I say flasetto, because if you go listen whether it is live or Infinity, he "bridges" his way, changes tracks so to speak, to go to falsetto. However, that's not to say he couldn't do that note naturally. He hit the highest note ever recorded with Somethin' to Hide, so he could definitely "do it."

That's is my theory. Fuck it, let's all fire JSS PM's asking his advice. Seriously, everyone reading this, fire JSS off a PM titled, "Perry's WITS. Exactly the same title. Let's fuck with Soto. You can all blame me for in the PM body.

Done.

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:41 pm**

Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think it was done at the top of his range, I think he only used falsetto when he would add little trailer notes live. I think the re-recorded version is an instrument. Arnel is good as a high tenor but that alto range is beyond him I believe. He tends to sound jagged when he tries to sustain the high notes from what I can hear.

Are you speaking of SP or AP when you say "top of range?" I say flasetto, because if you go listen whether it is live or Infinity, he "bridges" his way, changes tracks so to speak, to go to falsetto. However, that's not to say he couldn't do that note naturally. He hit the highest note ever recorded with Somethin' to Hide, so he could definitely "do it."

That's is my theory. Fuck it, let's all fire JSS PM's asking his advice. Seriously, everyone reading this, fire JSS off a PM titled, "Perry's WITS. Exactly the same title. Let's fuck with Soto. You can all blame me for in the PM body.

Done.

I haven't seen JSS on here for a while. He must be staying busy.

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:42 pm**

Voyager wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think it was done at the top of his range, I think he only used falsetto when he would add little trailer notes live. I think the re-recorded version is an instrument. Arnel is good as a high tenor but that alto range is beyond him I believe. He tends to sound jagged when he tries to sustain the high notes from what I can hear.

Are you speaking of SP or AP when you say "top of range?" I say flasetto, because if you go listen whether it is live or Infinity, he "bridges" his way, changes tracks so to speak, to go to falsetto. However, that's not to say he couldn't do that note naturally. He hit the highest note ever recorded with Somethin' to Hide, so he could definitely "do it."

That's is my theory. Fuck it, let's all fire JSS PM's asking his advice. Seriously, everyone reading this, fire JSS off a PM titled, "Perry's WITS. Exactly the same title. Let's fuck with Soto. You can all blame me for in the PM body.

Done.

I haven't seen JSS on here for a while. He must be staying busy.

Isn't the Christmas Carol gig almost over?

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:42 pm**

madsplash wrote:I'd rather it be with SP, but I'd also rather it be with Arnel than not at all.

I think the majority of us feel that way.

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:24 pm**

its falsetto... and a great one...

STH... is .......... (falsetto)"you've got" (normal voice) "something to hide..."

in Sweet and Simple theres a passage near the end that Perry goes ... (normal voice)"..its wha... (falsetto) AAAAAAAAaaaat.. (normal voice) I like to do...."

friggin insane note...

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:30 pm**

slucero wrote:its falsetto... and a great one...

STH... is .......... (falsetto)"you've got" (normal voice) "something to hide..."

in Sweet and Simple theres a passage near the end that Perry goes ... (normal voice)"..its wha... (falsetto) AAAAAAAAaaaat.. (normal voice) I like to do...."

friggin insane note...

Agree on all counts. The STH note I was referring to was the melody(no words, just voice), that Perry hums along. Amazing

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:12 pm**

madsplash wrote:OK, 2 questions. I'm no voice major, so is the famous high note in Wheel In The Sky during the guitar lead sung in falsetto by SP, or is at the top of his full voice range?

I've been listening to it a lot lately and can't tell. His range was so high then, I can't be sure.

Back in the seventies rock artists used what they called a "Nut Cracker". It would be similiar to a dog bark collar. It was attached to their testacles and they had a small button usually on belt or strung up onto their shirt.
When an extreme high note came up they would push the button, it would send a shock pulse to the testicles allowing them to hit the high note.

The Bee Gees all used these, that is why their voices were so high.

It was outlawed after a lead singer we all know and love died back stage rehearsing with the Nut Cracker!

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:23 pm**

slucero wrote:its falsetto... and a great one...

STH... is .......... (falsetto)"you've got" (normal voice) "something to hide..."

in Sweet and Simple theres a passage near the end that Perry goes ... (normal voice)"..its wha... (falsetto) AAAAAAAAaaaat.. (normal voice) I like to do...."

friggin insane note...

I was just going to ask what the difference is with falsetto and top full voice? Just listened to STH around the 1:00 minute and I see what you mean. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egBGfIW6CRM

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:26 pm**

My favorite WITS intro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F2lSvG9Ask

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:28 pm**

madsplash wrote:OK, 2 questions. I'm no voice major, so is the famous high note in Wheel In The Sky during the guitar lead sung in falsetto by SP, or is at the top of his full voice range?

I've been listening to it a lot lately and can't tell. His range was so high then, I can't be sure.

Also, on the re-records on Revelation, the note sounds the same. Is that Arnel, a spliced in SP or what? Arnel's voice, although spectacular, doesn't seem to have THAT kind of range on the rest of the record.

No matter our differences, no matter our opinions............. I just friggin' love Journey. SP is the best rock singer of all-time to me, but thank God the Journey continues.

I'd rather it be with SP, but I'd also rather it be with Arnel than not at all. Those songs NEED to be heard by this generation of young people and musicians.

Here, Here. Somebody get this guy a drink.

Posted: **Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:37 am**

I think you'd have to be pretty fuckin' stupid not to notice that the high note in question on the re-record is obviously re-created electronically with Jon's synth, no doubt.

Posted: **Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:10 am**

It's his HEAD voice folks. Not an instrument. Not full voiced.
Just like the stuff on Lay It Down. That Wheel note is NOT that difficult for a guy in his 20s. I did it all the time when I was playing clubs and high schools back in the 80s.

Posted: **Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:34 am**

Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think it was done at the top of his range, I think he only used falsetto when he would add little trailer notes live. I think the re-recorded version is an instrument. Arnel is good as a high tenor but that alto range is beyond him I believe. He tends to sound jagged when he tries to sustain the high notes from what I can hear.

Are you speaking of SP or AP when you say "top of range?" I say flasetto, because if you go listen whether it is live or Infinity, he "bridges" his way, changes tracks so to speak, to go to falsetto. However, that's not to say he couldn't do that note naturally. He hit the highest note ever recorded with Somethin' to Hide, so he could definitely "do it."

That's is my theory. Fuck it, let's all fire JSS PM's asking his advice. Seriously, everyone reading this, fire JSS off a PM titled, "Perry's WITS. Exactly the same title. Let's fuck with Soto. You can all blame me for in the PM body.

Done.

Falsetto.

Posted: **Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:44 am**

Rick wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think it was done at the top of his range, I think he only used falsetto when he would add little trailer notes live. I think the re-recorded version is an instrument. Arnel is good as a high tenor but that alto range is beyond him I believe. He tends to sound jagged when he tries to sustain the high notes from what I can hear.

Are you speaking of SP or AP when you say "top of range?" I say flasetto, because if you go listen whether it is live or Infinity, he "bridges" his way, changes tracks so to speak, to go to falsetto. However, that's not to say he couldn't do that note naturally. He hit the highest note ever recorded with Somethin' to Hide, so he could definitely "do it."

That's is my theory. Fuck it, let's all fire JSS PM's asking his advice. Seriously, everyone reading this, fire JSS off a PM titled, "Perry's WITS. Exactly the same title. Let's fuck with Soto. You can all blame me for in the PM body.

Done.

Falsetto.

We interrupt this regularly scheduled TSO program to answer this burning question......

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:12 am**

Ok on the Wheel solo Perry goes up to an F an octave above middle C- it's falsetto...there's no way that was full voice!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:39 am**

I have no idea what any of you are referring to...I know nothing about the technical end of music...I just listen to what I like
and SP's voice is mind-blowing....the note you are all referring to is just magic to listen to...who cares whether it be falsetto or natural voice...there will be no other like it in our lifetime..
However, his other ranges are jusst as beautiful and maybe, just maybe, we might get to hear it again...high or low!!!!!
I actually prefer the lower ranges, like TBF..

NO STONES PLEASE, they hurt.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:05 am**

Granny wrote:I have no idea what any of you are referring to...I know nothing about the technical end of music...I just listen to what I like
and SP's voice is mind-blowing....the note you are all referring to is just magic to listen to...who cares whether it be falsetto or natural voice...there will be no other like it in our lifetime..
However, his other ranges are jusst as beautiful and maybe, just maybe, we might get to hear it again...high or low!!!!!
I actually prefer the lower ranges, like TBF..

NO STONES PLEASE, they hurt.

\

granny I agree with you, I also like his lower ranges. I look at it as his voice is maturing, and it just gets deeper and richer. I love his younger voice as well, but the richer tones he had for I Stand Alone, and Melody are lovely too.

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:48 pm**

Voyager wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think it was done at the top of his range, I think he only used falsetto when he would add little trailer notes live. I think the re-recorded version is an instrument. Arnel is good as a high tenor but that alto range is beyond him I believe. He tends to sound jagged when he tries to sustain the high notes from what I can hear.

Are you speaking of SP or AP when you say "top of range?" I say flasetto, because if you go listen whether it is live or Infinity, he "bridges" his way, changes tracks so to speak, to go to falsetto. However, that's not to say he couldn't do that note naturally. He hit the highest note ever recorded with Somethin' to Hide, so he could definitely "do it."

That's is my theory. Fuck it, let's all fire JSS PM's asking his advice. Seriously, everyone reading this, fire JSS off a PM titled, "Perry's WITS. Exactly the same title. Let's fuck with Soto. You can all blame me for in the PM body.

Done.

I haven't seen JSS on here for a while. He must be staying busy.

I'd say doing almost 100 shows while being on the road almost 70 days straight was busy!!!!
TSO was a great show & JSS was amazing. The tour ended a few days ago.
So I'd say JSS earned himself some R&R!!!

I love those few notes in the middle of WITS.
I am no expert in chest, natural, head or falsetto voice
but I do feel that those notes were in a minor key.

It's sort of odd for a song to change key like that but it works.
It gives it that haunting affect that minor keys tend to provide.

I think I can do those notes in full voice...I have a feeling that so did Steve Perry...IMHO

I checked with my piano & the note sequence appears to be DEFED above mid C

Whatever...its my favorite part of the song...

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:58 pm**

Granny wrote:I have no idea what any of you are referring to...I know nothing about the technical end of music...I just listen to what I like
and SP's voice is mind-blowing....the note you are all referring to is just magic to listen to...who cares whether it be falsetto or natural voice...there will be no other like it in our lifetime..
However, his other ranges are jusst as beautiful and maybe, just maybe, we might get to hear it again...high or low!!!!!
I actually prefer the lower ranges, like TBF..

NO STONES PLEASE, they hurt.

I totally agree with you. I love the rich, soulfullness of his mature voice.

Posted: **Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:36 pm**

jrnyjunky wrote:
Granny wrote:I have no idea what any of you are referring to...I know nothing about the technical end of music...I just listen to what I like
and SP's voice is mind-blowing....the note you are all referring to is just magic to listen to...who cares whether it be falsetto or natural voice...there will be no other like it in our lifetime..
However, his other ranges are jusst as beautiful and maybe, just maybe, we might get to hear it again...high or low!!!!!
I actually prefer the lower ranges, like TBF..

NO STONES PLEASE, they hurt.

I totally agree with you. I love the rich, soulfullness of his mature voice.

I, as well. The early voice, while technically perfect, at times made him sound girlish. He caught a lot of slack from critics for that ("aka the duck," "baby seal being clubbed to death"). His deep voice, with a bit of raspiness, sounds very manly and sexy to me.

Posted: **Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:52 pm**

annie89509 wrote:
jrnyjunky wrote:
Granny wrote:I have no idea what any of you are referring to...I know nothing about the technical end of music...I just listen to what I like
and SP's voice is mind-blowing....the note you are all referring to is just magic to listen to...who cares whether it be falsetto or natural voice...there will be no other like it in our lifetime..
However, his other ranges are jusst as beautiful and maybe, just maybe, we might get to hear it again...high or low!!!!!
I actually prefer the lower ranges, like TBF..

NO STONES PLEASE, they hurt.

I totally agree with you. I love the rich, soulfullness of his mature voice.

I, as well. The early voice, while technically perfect, at times made him sound girlish. He caught a lot of slack from critics for that ("aka the duck," "baby seal being clubbed to death"). His deep voice, with a bit of raspiness, sounds very manly and sexy to me.

Didn't know you like "raspy". Check out the new dude; he's got a raspier voice than Perry :lol:

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:40 am**

mdaemon wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
jrnyjunky wrote:
Granny wrote:I have no idea what any of you are referring to...I know nothing about the technical end of music...I just listen to what I like
and SP's voice is mind-blowing....the note you are all referring to is just magic to listen to...who cares whether it be falsetto or natural voice...there will be no other like it in our lifetime..
However, his other ranges are jusst as beautiful and maybe, just maybe, we might get to hear it again...high or low!!!!!
I actually prefer the lower ranges, like TBF..

NO STONES PLEASE, they hurt.

I totally agree with you. I love the rich, soulfullness of his mature voice.

I, as well. The early voice, while technically perfect, at times made him sound girlish. He caught a lot of slack from critics for that ("aka the duck," "baby seal being clubbed to death"). His deep voice, with a bit of raspiness, sounds very manly and sexy to me.

Didn't know you like "raspy". Check out the new dude; he's got a raspier voice than Perry

Who do you mean ... Arnel?

lol .... when I first jumped on the SP/J fan-wagon, they were already long separated. I started pouring into their history ... listened to their 80s catalog first ... worked my way back to the beginning ... then the later years. I remember thinking
SP's singing reminded me a lot of Rod Stewart (whom I was a big fan of). Of course .... now, I don't think those 2 sound anything alike.

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:54 am**

annie89509 wrote:
SP's singing reminded me a lot of Rod Stewart (whom I was a big fan of). Of course .... now, I don't think those 2 sound anything alike.

that would make sense.... both SP and Rod were big Sam Cooke fans...

Posted: **Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:03 pm**

slucero wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
SP's singing reminded me a lot of Rod Stewart (whom I was a big fan of). Of course .... now, I don't think those 2 sound anything alike.

that would make sense.... both SP and Rod were big Sam Cooke fans...

Yes .... that's right, I'd heard that from RS. Funny, I think Sam Cooke acquired more fans after his death just by other artists talking about him.

MR

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