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OT: Man Sells Daughter for Money and Beer

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:50 pm
by Enigma869
Another scumbag pursuing the "Father Of The Year" award :roll:

http://news.aol.com/article/cops-say-da ... 2010772404

Cops Say Dad Sold Girl to Groom for Beer
By JULIANA BARBASSA, AP

SAN FRANCISCO (Jan. 13) - A California man has been arrested for arranging for his 14-year-old daughter to marry a neighbor in exchange for $16,000, 100 cases of beer and several cases of meat, police said.
Authorities in Greenfield, a farming community on California's central coast, said they learned of the deal after Marcelino de Jesus Martinez, 36, asked them for help getting back his daughter after payment wasn't made.

Martinez was arrested Sunday. He's scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday in Monterey County Superior Court on felony charges of procuring a child under age 16 for lewd and lascivious acts, statutory rape and cruelty to a child by endangering health, according to the prosecutor.
The prosecutor's office said Martinez did not have an attorney of record yet.
Police also arrested the intended groom, 18-year-old Margarito de Jesus Galindo, on suspicion of statutory rape, but prosecutors have not decided whether to charge him. Police did not return a message Tuesday for information on whether Galindo had an attorney.
Martinez is a member of an indigenous Mexican Trique community. Greenfield police Chief Joe Grebmeier said the case highlights an issue confronting local authorities in that arranged marriages with girls as young as 12 are not uncommon among the Trique.
He hesitated to say the girl was being sold into marriage, as the money was intended as a dowry and the beer and meat were for the wedding. But, he added, the arrangement violates California law, where the age of consent for marriage is 18, and with parental approval, 16.
"This is not a traditional trafficking case because there is no force or coercion in this," Grebmeier said. "We're aware of the cultural issues here, but state law trumps cultural sensitivity."
Grebmeier is planning to meet with leaders in the Trique community to talk about how some cultural practices might conflict with California law.
"Initially, when everyone was talking to us, we learned a lot because they had no realization that it's against the law — an arranged marriage for money with a minor," Grebmeier said.
Many Trique immigrants are part of the stream of farmworkers who tend California's fruit and vegetable fields, living in communities scattered along the coast and the state's agricultural Central Valley. The often speak only Trique, an indigenous language, and come from villages with cultural traditions that set them apart from other Mexicans.
Service organizations have been working to help them integrate, said Jonathan Fox, a professor of Latin American and Latino Studies at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who has worked extensively with indigenous immigrants.
"This is certainly not the first such case I've heard of," he said of the marriage involving an underage girl.
Members of the indigenous community protested the news reports and public discussion of the case, saying they were painted in a very negative light.
"No one put a 'for sale' sign on this girl, and that's how it sounds," said Rufino Dominguez, an indigenous immigrant and head of the Greenfield office of the Binational Center for the Development of the Indigenous Communities.
He said arranging marriages and exchanging goods that will contribute to the wedding party are common, but money is not usually part of the transaction. When that does happen, it's not seen well within the community, he said.
"Most people don't agree with it," he said.
Police learned of the deal in mid-December, when Martinez reported his daughter as a runaway. Further investigation found the girl had not fled but moved in with Galindo as part of the marriage arrangement. Grebmeier said the girl was a willing party to the deal.
Martinez would face at least a year in prison if convicted. Because he's an undocumented immigrant, he's under an immigration hold and is not eligible for bail.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:57 pm
by Ehwmatt
If the government would have just given this scum bag money and entitlements like he deserves, this would have never happened :roll:

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:59 pm
by artist4perry
Sad for the child. :(

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:16 pm
by Don
This Happens all the time in countries around the world, and in immigrant enclaves across the U.S. It's not just the Mexican communities, so it would be very hard to police. The money thing is probably going to earn him a tribal asskicking when he gets out of the clink. A lot of my latino coworkers and neighbors have been shacking up since the girls were 15 or 16, it's a pretty common occurance.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:26 pm
by G.I.Jim
Man, what's a guy got to do to make a buck around here??? :lol: :lol: :wink: Joking... I hope both of these bastards do some time!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:22 pm
by Babyblue
Gunbot wrote:This Happens all the time in countries around the world, and in immigrant enclaves across the U.S. It's not just the Mexican communities, so it would be very hard to police. The money thing is probably going to earn him a tribal asskicking when he gets out of the clink. A lot of my latino coworkers and neighbors have been shacking up since the girls were 15 or 16, it's a pretty common occurance.


That just makes you sick.That poor child :cry: :cry:

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:27 pm
by ScarabGator
total scumbag! Now if he had arranged to sell the wife for beer, well thats a different story...(I keed...I keed.... :lol: )

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:58 pm
by Babyblue
ScarabGator wrote:total scumbag! Now if he had arranged to sell the wife for beer, well thats a different story...(I keed...I keed.... :lol: )




You are just so bad. :)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:00 pm
by artist4perry
ScarabGator wrote:total scumbag! Now if he had arranged to sell the wife for beer, well thats a different story...(I keed...I keed.... :lol: )

Take my wife...................please! (this sounds familliar) :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:44 pm
by stevew2
I hope it wasnt bud or coors lite. That would be a real tragedy

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:53 am
by FishinMagician
too bad it isnt rape if they are married. are they?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:21 am
by wednesday's child
FishinMagician wrote:too bad it isnt rape if they are married. are they?


Still statutory methinks --I mean, CA seems a strange land, but does it allow marriage involving 14 year olds?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:23 am
by Michigan Girl
wednesday's child wrote:
FishinMagician wrote:too bad it isnt rape if they are married. are they?


Still statutory methinks --I mean, CA seems a strange land, but does it allow marriage involving 14 year olds?


"But, he added, the arrangement violates California law, where the age of consent for marriage is 18, and with parental approval, 16"

NO!!! :wink:

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:42 am
by FishinMagician
i know it sounds weird. it is 16 in all states and 14 with a judge's approval in 22. according to my psych professor.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:54 am
by Since 78
Historically, individuals were allowed to enter into a marriage contract at a very young
age. In Ancient Rome, the appropriate minimum age was regarded as 14 for males and 12 for
females. When Rome became Christianized, these age minimums were adopted into the
ecclesiastical law of the Catholic Church. This canon law governed most marriages in Western
Europe until the Reformation. When England broke away from the Catholic Church, the
Anglican Church carried with it the same minimum age requirements for the prospective bride
and groom. The minimum age requirements of 12 and 14 were eventually written into English
civil law. By default, these provisions became the minimum marriage ages in colonial America.
These common laws inherited from the British remained in force in America unless a specific
state law was enacted to replace them.1
While Roman, Catholic, English, and early American law may have allowed marriage at
12 for girls and 14 for boys, many questioned the advisability of such an early union.
Researchers and policymakers around the turn of the 20th century recognized that teens may be
especially ill-prepared to assume the familial responsibilities and financial pressures associated
with marriage.2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:05 am
by Michigan Girl
Since 78 wrote:Historically, individuals were allowed to enter into a marriage contract at a very young
age. In Ancient Rome, the appropriate minimum age was regarded as 14 for males and 12 for
females. When Rome became Christianized, these age minimums were adopted into the
ecclesiastical law of the Catholic Church. This canon law governed most marriages in Western
Europe until the Reformation. When England broke away from the Catholic Church, the
Anglican Church carried with it the same minimum age requirements for the prospective bride
and groom. The minimum age requirements of 12 and 14 were eventually written into English
civil law. By default, these provisions became the minimum marriage ages in colonial America.
These common laws inherited from the British remained in force in America unless a specific
state law was enacted to replace them.1
While Roman, Catholic, English, and early American law may have allowed marriage at
12 for girls and 14 for boys, many questioned the advisability of such an early union.
Researchers and policymakers around the turn of the 20th century recognized that teens may be
especially ill-prepared to assume the familial responsibilities and financial pressures associated
with marriage.
2


Wow, look at you, a plethora of information...... :wink:
I did not know this!!! I'm glad the researchers and policymakers came to their senses!!!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:12 am
by JH'sTXfan
The expected life span back then was probably 35

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:42 am
by Don
JH'sTXfan wrote:The expected life span back then was probably 35


If your dead at 35, best to start early.

Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:10 pm
by JH'sTXfan
Gunbot wrote:
JH'sTXfan wrote:The expected life span back then was probably 35


If your dead at 35, best to start early.

Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right?


Barbaric reasoning. I can't believe people still do this nowadays. :(

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:11 pm
by Don
JH'sTXfan wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
JH'sTXfan wrote:The expected life span back then was probably 35


If your dead at 35, best to start early.

Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right?


Barbaric reasoning. I can't believe people still do this nowadays. :(


I would think with a life expectancy rate of 35 years, the whole culture would be barbaric. Look at the slew of African countries were this takes place. Early mortality rates and unions involving minors will always go hand in hand. When you enter an advanced state of social and economic development, these things tend to not happen as often. This just shows you how many tiers of different social orders we have going on here in the states.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:59 pm
by wednesday's child
JH'sTXfan wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
JH'sTXfan wrote:The expected life span back then was probably 35


If your dead at 35, best to start early.

Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right?


Barbaric reasoning. I can't believe people still do this nowadays. :(


I suppose then, there's little chance you look kindly on the adage:
"If there's grass, play ball."

:lol:

PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:11 am
by stevew2
Since 78 wrote:Historically, individuals were allowed to enter into a marriage contract at a very young
age. In Ancient Rome, the appropriate minimum age was regarded as 14 for males and 12 for
females. When Rome became Christianized, these age minimums were adopted into the
ecclesiastical law of the Catholic Church. This canon law governed most marriages in Western
Europe until the Reformation. When England broke away from the Catholic Church, the
Anglican Church carried with it the same minimum age requirements for the prospective bride
and groom. The minimum age requirements of 12 and 14 were eventually written into English
civil law. By default, these provisions became the minimum marriage ages in colonial America.
These common laws inherited from the British remained in force in America unless a specific
state law was enacted to replace them.1
While Roman, Catholic, English, and early American law may have allowed marriage at
12 for girls and 14 for boys, many questioned the advisability of such an early union.
Researchers and policymakers around the turn of the 20th century recognized that teens may be
especially ill-prepared to assume the familial responsibilities and financial pressures associated
with marriage.2
Back on the old days the motto was "if there is grass on the field, play ball