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www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPUFLfGmyWY&feature=related



My God, they played this song fast and SP's vocals were soaring and as good as they EVER were. What this proves is that he sang as he wanted to sing.
The theory that his voice changed after the Frontier's era stuff is now shown to be a choice by him. He could still do all of the high vocal acrobatics AND give us the more textured, big ballsy voice of the Frontiers album.

Tell me that this isn't the best live rock vocal performance you've heard. Just freakin' ridiculous! Listen to the notes he hits near the end. His voice was gone? Really?

It's all about how the man WANTS to sing. His mental state of mind may have been "toast" during the ROR tour, but we can see that his VOICE sure as hell wasn't.

madsplash wrote:www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPUFLfGmyWY&feature=related



My God, they played this song fast and SP's vocals were soaring and as good as they EVER were. What this proves is that he sang as he wanted to sing.
The theory that his voice changed after the Frontier's era stuff is now shown to be a choice by him. He could still do all of the high vocal acrobatics AND give us the more textured, big ballsy voice of the Frontiers album.

Tell me that this isn't the best live rock vocal performance you've heard. Just freakin' ridiculous! Listen to the notes he hits near the end. His voice was gone? Really?

It's all about how the man WANTS to sing. His mental state of mind may have been "toast" during the ROR tour, but we can see that his VOICE sure as hell wasn't.

That was so freakin great.That man had the voice to just let it rip.And that he did by George.Thnks Mad that was so cool.Now going back for the 4th time to hear it.

Thanks for sharing, man. I love how hearing stuff from that tour.

His voice was either 'toast', or he was too busy running around out of breath. I think it sounded horrible. Not to be negative.

StocktontoMalone wrote:His voice was either 'toast', or he was too busy running around out of breath. I think it sounded horrible. Not to be negative.

Of course you did. Why would it be different? At least your consistant. Boring and stale but consistant.

Any trained singer will tell you the difficulty level of that performance. Not that you care or that facts should get in the way. The fact that I posted it would make you have of negative response, of course.

Ask Jeremy how great and difficult that performance was. He's the most qualified person here to decide. Hopefully he'll post on this.

Horrible? Horrible? C'mon man. Are you friggin' kidding me? My God, man. You either hate me enough to rag on this or you're just plain musically and vocally illiterate.

madsplash wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:His voice was either 'toast', or he was too busy running around out of breath. I think it sounded horrible. Not to be negative.

Of course you did. Why would it be different? At least your consistant. Boring and stale but consistant.

Any trained singer will tell you the difficulty level of that performance. Not that you care or that facts should get in the way. The fact that I posted it would make you have of negative response, of course.

Ask Jeremy how great and difficult that performance was. He's the most qualified person here to decide. Hopefully he'll post on this.

Horrible? Horrible? C'mon man. Are you friggin' kidding me? My God, man. You either hate me enough to rag on this or you're just plain musically and vocally illiterate.

You and I have had a couple of good rounds on this board already, but I'm not saying any of this because of any of that.

StocktontoMalone is partially correct, and so are you.

As far as what you said, I tend to agree, it was a damn good performance. I hate when they play songs at hyperspeed though. I don't mind them speeding them up a bit to boost the tempo of the concert, however. Where I agree with StocktontoMalone is, SP was definitely using workarounds on a lot of the notes, and there was definite road wear going on with his voice in that performance. I don't think his singing was as much by choice as it was to preserve his voice, and to workaround rough spots in his voice. He still did a damn good job and I would take SP in any vocal condition over any other singer.

Jesus Christ, it almost sounds like they're mocking the song. That was awful. Perry's singing the song in "spurts" and it comes across as if they're trying to get the song over with. I did like his singing around the 4 minute mark. The rest is garbage. The tempo sucks.

madsplash wrote:www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPUFLfGmyWY&feature=related



My God, they played this song fast and SP's vocals were soaring and as good as they EVER were. What this proves is that he sang as he wanted to sing.
The theory that his voice changed after the Frontier's era stuff is now shown to be a choice by him. He could still do all of the high vocal acrobatics AND give us the more textured, big ballsy voice of the Frontiers album.

Tell me that this isn't the best live rock vocal performance you've heard. Just freakin' ridiculous! Listen to the notes he hits near the end. His voice was gone? Really?

It's all about how the man WANTS to sing. His mental state of mind may have been "toast" during the ROR tour, but we can see that his VOICE sure as hell wasn't.

Sounds like Perry the Chipmunk!

A fast tempo shortens the length of time you have to hold the higher notes. WITS and AWYWI would sound like the chipmunks if they went any faster on this tour.

i thought i heard they sped things up to save sp's voice?

sounds awful. eek! }:C\

treetopovskaya wrote:i thought i heard they sped things up to save sp's voice?

sounds awful. eek! }:C\

It obviously didn't work.

Gunbot wrote:

treetopovskaya wrote:i thought i heard they sped things up to save sp's voice?

sounds awful. eek! }:C\

It obviously didn't work.

treetopovskaya wrote:i thought i heard they sped things up to save sp's voice?

sounds awful. eek! }:C\

Ya, not crazy about that version of Separate Ways. But his ROR vocals are probably still my favorite though. His vocal tone on this one, damn near makes my toes curl.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nz_3RTw0Ow

}:C|

Gunbot wrote:

treetopovskaya wrote:i thought i heard they sped things up to save sp's voice?

sounds awful. eek! }:C\

It obviously didn't work.

Sounds alright. Very, very fast though. Must have been all the coke.

awe... much better! }:C)

Deb wrote:

treetopovskaya wrote:i thought i heard they sped things up to save sp's voice?

sounds awful. eek! }:C\

Ya, not crazy about that version of Separate Ways. But his ROR vocals are probably still my favorite though. His vocal tone on this one, damn near makes my toes curl.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nz_3RTw0Ow

How many shows were canceled during this tour?
Also, out of curiousity, how many shows were there supposed to be during the last leg of the Revelation tour (NOV/DEC). Was it just the one show in New Hampshire?

I'm sorry to say it here...but the only thing Perry did right in that performance was to stay on pitch. He used so many shortcuts on pronunciations and sped the damn song up sooooo much that it's not even listenable.

This version sucks ass, and when I hear a band speed up this much it tells me either the drummer has some SERIOUS timing issues, or they're trying to help the lead singer so that he doesn't have to hit those high notes as long. Since they played the entire tour with a click-track...they didn't have timing issues because of the drummer... All I'm saying!

Deb wrote:

treetopovskaya wrote:i thought i heard they sped things up to save sp's voice?

sounds awful. eek! }:C\

Ya, not crazy about that version of Separate Ways. But his ROR vocals are probably still my favorite though. His vocal tone on this one, damn near makes my toes curl.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nz_3RTw0Ow

Wow, Perry looks totally cracked out of his skull there and Jack Black obviously stole all his moves from Randy Jackson!

G.I.Jim wrote:I'm sorry to say it here...but the only thing Perry did right in that performance was to stay on pitch. He used so many shortcuts on pronunciations and sped the damn song up sooooo much that it's not even listenable.

This version sucks ass, and when I hear a band speed up this much it tells me either the drummer has some SERIOUS timing issues, or they're trying to help the lead singer so that he doesn't have to hit those high notes as long. Since they played the entire tour with a click-track...the didn't have timing issues because of the drummer... All I'm saying!

Yep, I don't know why people have such a hard time believing that Perry's voice deteriorated. I'm as big a loon as anyone but the guy is human.

We're talking over 600 shows in 9 years. I guess it caught up to him in the end.

sounds like he was doing a little talking-singing there in parts.

I didn't say that I preferred this tempo, but pitch-wise it shows the range was absolutely still there. Many bands speed up hit songs for effect live.

Again, Jeremy, if you're here please tell these few negative Nellie's what a performace this is.

And LLL, oops, I spelled it wrong. Is that the most creative thing that you can bring to this discussion? I was afraid so.

LLL wrote:

madsplash wrote:I didn't say that I preferred this tempo, but pitch-wise it shows the range was absolutely still there. Many bands speed up hit songs for effect live.

Again, Jeremy, if you're here please tell these few negative Nellie's what a performace this is.

And LLL, oops, I spelled it wrong. Is that the most creative thing that you can bring to this discussion? I was afraid so.

Okay it SUCKED! That better?

Not better, but consistant with your normal attitude. I liked you better when I thought you were a guy. You're not, right?

madsplash wrote:I didn't say that I preferred this tempo, but pitch-wise it shows the range was absolutely still there. Many bands speed up hit songs for effect live.

Again, Jeremy, if you're here please tell these few negative Nellie's what a performace this is.

And LLL, oops, I spelled it wrong. Is that the most creative thing that you can bring to this discussion? I was afraid so.

How about if you put up a decent song to judge by? This one is crap!

madsplash wrote:I didn't say that I preferred this tempo, but pitch-wise it shows the range was absolutely still there. Many bands speed up hit songs for effect live.

Again, Jeremy, if you're here please tell these few negative Nellie's what a performace this is.

And LLL, oops, I spelled it wrong. Is that the most creative thing that you can bring to this discussion? I was afraid so.

Dude, it's Jeremey! Jeremey!

LLL wrote:

madsplash wrote:I didn't say that I preferred this tempo, but pitch-wise it shows the range was absolutely still there. Many bands speed up hit songs for effect live.

Again, Jeremy, if you're here please tell these few negative Nellie's what a performace this is.

And LLL, oops, I spelled it wrong. Is that the most creative thing that you can bring to this discussion? I was afraid so.

Okay it SUCKED! That better?

It definitely sucked. Tempo too fast, notes not being held very long. It sounded like a coked-out performance. Now I know why his eyes looked so funny in a few ROR videos. :

Here's my opinion on it.

Separate Ways is a very difficult song to sing, especially during the chorus. I've definitely run out of steam before during the chorus, because of the timing and the melody make it tough to catch your breath.

Is this a great performance? Not necessarily what I would call a great performance.

But we need to look at something that I think is a misconception here that may address why Perry is giving a choppy and clipped delivery here. From what I can tell, his pitch is great, and he hits some amazing notes here.

I read a lot that speeding up a song is easier for a singer. Some people may think this, but for me it makes the song a hell of a lot more difficult to sing.

For example: Try running 2 blocks at an easy jog. Now run that same two blocks at an all out sprint. Which was easier? I think most people would agree that the easy jog is less strenuous and a lot less stressful than the sprint. Sure, you get there quicker while sprinting, but you just wore your ass out.

Same thing with singing. Singing a song at it's optimum pacing and tempo is the ideal way to perform a song live. Breath support is the biggest thing to worry about during the pacing of a performance. If you are at an all out sprint, you're going to run out of breath and rush words, and eventually lose the breath support you need to project a song properly. If you sing at a normal tempo, you may have to hold notes a little longer, but how many times are those notes going to be as long as the ending scream of Sep Ways or the bridge of After The Fall? Rarely is that few seconds the singer is saving going to make any difference in their voice. And if they are singing faster, they are rushing, losing breath, and eventually ending up winded and not able to get the notes out anyway.

So Perry's clipped and huffy performance here I would say is actually a direct result of the tempo of the song, which could have been because of drugs or could have been an intentional choice based on set times or concert pacing. I do know that by hearing the clarity and acrobatics of some of those later notes, the song would have been SUNG much better at a much slower tempo.

Anyway, that's my .02, take it for what it's worth....

Well like I said, 600 shows in 9 years. Perry gave it his best shot. I don't think Augeri did that many shows with Journey and I think it's safe to say Arnel won't be doing that many either. Perry toured his ass off, sacrificed his voice and now he's enjoying the money that he earned and is still earning from the Journey brand name. All is as it should be.

Gunbot wrote:Well like I said, 600 shows in 9 years. Perry gave it his best shot. I don't think Augeri did that many shows with Journey and I think it's safe to say Arnel won't be doing that many either. Perry toured his ass off, sacrificed his voice and now he's enjoying the money that he earned ad is still earning from the Journey brand name. All is as it should be.

wow, that's a switch.....and I concur!!!


PS~ Jeremey....thanks for the inf., makes perfect sense!!!