Confused about something...

[PianoMan1986]

*NOTE: I have nothing against Arnel or Jeremey: both are amazing and extremely talented -- I just have a question about something that has me puzzled:

Jeremey went and auditioned, was briefly hired, and recorded with Journey, but to my understanding he made the decision to stay with his wife and newborn son. My confusion comes into play when I see assortment of dates he's playing with his band as well as the places he's playing (scattered cities). Hopefully someone can get a grasp of what I'm trying to say here or...I guess what I'm saying is that Jeremey still has his wife and son, but he's out playing shows away from home.

[Vladan]

Mmmm I see, you know I remember reading a post by Jeremy, that Neal Schon said something to Jeremy's wife, and Jeremy took offense? perhaps got offended, or something along those lines... maybe somebody can clarify that.

[Don]

You're a week late Bro. Jeremey said Sayanora to this site already. I know what you're asking but I don't think anyone here will want to speculate when Jeremey still has the opportunity to come in here and give you the answer himself.

[stevew2]

I understand your question, i am baffled also, his schedule is not as busy and as widespread as journeys,only he can speak for himself. Good question though, i thought the same thing

[Vladan]

You're a week late Bro. Jeremey said Sayanora to this site already.

Really? I missed that, damn...

[StoneCold]

What I remember is he was offered the gig but turned them down initially. Can't remember the exact reasons.

At some point in the next few days he wanted to discuss the terms some more but Journey corp. didn't and the offer went away.

He had a blog up which outlined how it went down but its been so long, I don't know the link or if its even active anymore.

Someone will be along with more specifics.

[frfksakes]

You're a week late Bro. Jeremey said Sayanora to this site already.

So,,, how many times has he said that? Or Deano,,, or ,,,,

...Just fill in the blank:

"My name is... and I am a MRaholic"

I.e.,, Jeremy, against his better judgment,,, will probably be back,, again,,

heheh

[wednesday's child]

Mmmm I see, you know I remember reading a post by Jeremy, that Neal Schon said something to Jeremy's wife, and Jeremy took offense? perhaps got offended, or something along those lines... maybe somebody can clarify that.

No, I think that was someone else speculating, venomously,
that Jeremey's family values were making Neal uncomfortable.
I think it was without factual basis.

I'm not saying Neal's incapable of offending Jeremey, deliberately or indeliberately...
After all, Jon made Neal's own candidate (Arnel) feel pretty fucking unwelcome.

wech

[weatherman90]

What I remember is he was offered the gig but turned them down initially. Can't remember the exact reasons.

At some point in the next few days he wanted to discuss the terms some more but Journey corp. didn't and the offer went away.

He had a blog up which outlined how it went down but its been so long, I don't know the link or if its even active anymore.

Someone will be along with more specifics.

That's the same thing I seem to remember. Nonetheless I'm glad that things worked out for Jeremey to continue to be out on the road. Anyone with a voice like THAT really must tour! I'm simply blown away whenever I listen to a Frontiers performance.

[nolippin]

I think it was because Neal saw these pics!!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... x%26sa%3DN

What I remember is he was offered the gig but turned them down initially. Can't remember the exact reasons.

At some point in the next few days he wanted to discuss the terms some more but Journey corp. didn't and the offer went away.

He had a blog up which outlined how it went down but its been so long, I don't know the link or if its even active anymore.

Someone will be along with more specifics.

That's the same thing I seem to remember. Nonetheless I'm glad that things worked out for Jeremey to continue to be out on the road. Anyone with a voice like THAT really must tour! I'm simply blown away whenever I listen to a Frontiers performance.

[donnaplease]

I'm not saying Neal's incapable of offending Jeremey, deliberately or indeliberately...
After all, Jon made Neal's own candidate (Arnel) feel pretty fucking unwelcome.

wech

He did? I never heard that. Do you know what happened?

[wednesday's child]

I posted about it June of last year..
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4106264

I'll just quote the whole post:

Not inside info, unless you count the words out of Arnel's own mouth.
He was very good natured in retelling his audition experience, and wouldn't have
brought up Jon's dissatisfaction, but the interviewer kept digging until he coughed it up,
and this interview (mostly in Tagalog) was televised here sometime before Christmas '07, IIRC.

Anyways:

After a second round of singing, during Arnel's audition at the warehouse,
Jon kept saying he wasn't satisfied with "this guy"... in Arnel's presence.
I mean, Arnel could retell it, right?
I get the impression Jon didn't think (or care) that Arnel could understand.
Neal got fed up and said aloud that if they weren't getting Arnel,
he'd rather just start a different, new band instead.

Anyway, IIRC Arnel then sang some of the dirty dozen for Jon,
(prior to that, they'd had him sing a lot of non-Journey material)...
and after that, Jonathan gave in.


Again, Arnel had to be harrassed into coughing up this story.
He sort of "went pale" right after he did, his smile fading fast,
but the interview mercifully changed tack. Bert de Leon later
told the same story, IIRC, but I dunno if he was an actual witness,
or if he just heard it from Arnel privately.


However, please keep in mind: that was then.

Arnel's been pretty straight up about how Jon's been VERY good to him,
how the whole band's been very good to him, helping him adjust, and learn,
and protect his voice.

Just me, but...
The way and order in which Arnel's mentioned his bandmates in interviews
can suggest he's comfortable with Deen, and still hasn't totally graduated
from awestruck fan-mode with regard to Neal, Ross and Jon.

Don't laugh, but some of his relatives/buddies were hoping to parlay Arnel's gig
into autographs from Steve Perry. I'd suspect Arnel would want one for himself, first.


Cheers.
wech.

[Don]

I posted about it June of last year..
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4106264

I'll just quote the whole post:

Not inside info, unless you count the words out of Arnel's own mouth.
He was very good natured in retelling his audition experience, and wouldn't have
brought up Jon's dissatisfaction, but the interviewer kept digging until he coughed it up,
and this interview (mostly in Tagalog) was televised here sometime before Christmas '07, IIRC.

Anyways:

After a second round of singing, during Arnel's audition at the warehouse,
Jon kept saying he wasn't satisfied with "this guy"... in Arnel's presence.
I mean, Arnel could retell it, right?
I get the impression Jon didn't think (or care) that Arnel could understand.
Neal got fed up and said aloud that if they weren't getting Arnel,
he'd rather just start a different, new band instead.

Anyway, IIRC Arnel then sang some of the dirty dozen for Jon,
(prior to that, they'd had him sing a lot of non-Journey material)...
and after that, Jonathan gave in.


Again, Arnel had to be harrassed into coughing up this story.
He sort of "went pale" right after he did, his smile fading fast,
but the interview mercifully changed tack. Bert de Leon later
told the same story, IIRC, but I dunno if he was an actual witness,
or if he just heard it from Arnel privately.


However, please keep in mind: that was then.

Arnel's been pretty straight up about how Jon's been VERY good to him,
how the whole band's been very good to him, helping him adjust, and learn,
and protect his voice.

Just me, but...
The way and order in which Arnel's mentioned his bandmates in interviews
can suggest he's comfortable with Deen, and still hasn't totally graduated
from awestruck fan-mode with regard to Neal, Ross and Jon.

Don't laugh, but some of his relatives/buddies were hoping to parlay Arnel's gig
into autographs from Steve Perry. I'd suspect Arnel would want one for himself, first.


Cheers.
wech.

I guess it is Neal's band after all.

[Jana]

I posted about it June of last year..
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4106264

I'll just quote the whole post:

Not inside info, unless you count the words out of Arnel's own mouth.
He was very good natured in retelling his audition experience, and wouldn't have
brought up Jon's dissatisfaction, but the interviewer kept digging until he coughed it up,
and this interview (mostly in Tagalog) was televised here sometime before Christmas '07, IIRC.

Anyways:

After a second round of singing, during Arnel's audition at the warehouse,
Jon kept saying he wasn't satisfied with "this guy"... in Arnel's presence.
I mean, Arnel could retell it, right?
I get the impression Jon didn't think (or care) that Arnel could understand.
Neal got fed up and said aloud that if they weren't getting Arnel,
he'd rather just start a different, new band instead.

Anyway, IIRC Arnel then sang some of the dirty dozen for Jon,
(prior to that, they'd had him sing a lot of non-Journey material)...
and after that, Jonathan gave in.


Again, Arnel had to be harrassed into coughing up this story.
He sort of "went pale" right after he did, his smile fading fast,
but the interview mercifully changed tack. Bert de Leon later
told the same story, IIRC, but I dunno if he was an actual witness,
or if he just heard it from Arnel privately.


However, please keep in mind: that was then.

Arnel's been pretty straight up about how Jon's been VERY good to him,
how the whole band's been very good to him, helping him adjust, and learn,
and protect his voice.

Just me, but...
The way and order in which Arnel's mentioned his bandmates in interviews
can suggest he's comfortable with Deen, and still hasn't totally graduated
from awestruck fan-mode with regard to Neal, Ross and Jon.

Don't laugh, but some of his relatives/buddies were hoping to parlay Arnel's gig
into autographs from Steve Perry. I'd suspect Arnel would want one for himself, first.


Cheers.
wech.

Actually, Wech, Arnel has said he's closest to Neal and not as close to the others because he traveled in the bus during the tour with Neal and so they had a lot of time to talk. I guess I always assumed he was in a bus with Deen. And he said he and Neal have kept in touch via text messaging during the break, whereas, he hasn't kept in touch with the others while on break. But, yes, you're so right, I believe he will always be awestruck by Neal and Jon especially. He really looks up to Neal and is so thankful for all he did for him.

[LyricalLady]

......My confusion comes into play when I see assortment of dates he's playing with his band as well as the places he's playing (scattered cities). Hopefully someone can get a grasp of what I'm trying to say here or...I guess what I'm saying is that Jeremey still has his wife and son, but he's out playing shows away from home.

If you look at the tour/show dates for Frontiers you will see they are mostly on Friday and Saturday nights....AND most of them are within a reasonable distance to return to his home and family for at least 3/4 days out of most weeks. There are a few dates that might make returning home not on the list for that week...but for the most part Frontiers schedule is a pretty good one for making it home for a few days a week. So I don't see the confusion on that item.....touring with Journey would require MONTHS on the road - non-stop. Choosing what he has going for him now touring with Frontiers is like apples and oranges - they just aren't the same.

[wednesday's child]

I posted about it June of last year..
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4106264

I'll just quote the whole post:

.

...snip...

Just me, but...
The way and order in which Arnel's mentioned his bandmates in interviews
can suggest he's comfortable with Deen, and still hasn't totally graduated
from awestruck fan-mode with regard to Neal, Ross and Jon.

Don't laugh, but some of his relatives/buddies were hoping to parlay Arnel's gig
into autographs from Steve Perry. I'd suspect Arnel would want one for himself, first.


Cheers.
wech.

Actually, Wech, Arnel has said he's closest to Neal and not as close to the others because he traveled in the bus during the tour with Neal and so they had a lot of time to talk. I guess I always assumed he was in a bus with Deen. And he said he and Neal have kept in touch via text messaging during the break, whereas, he hasn't kept in touch with the others while on break. But, yes, you're so right, I believe he will always be awestruck by Neal and Jon especially. He really looks up to Neal and is so thankful for all he did for him.

Jana,
Note when I posted what you are reacting to, and consider when the 2008 tour began/finished
All I'm saying is that, at the time, he seemed least intimidated by Deen.

Cheers,
wech

[Don]

I posted about it June of last year..
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4106264

I'll just quote the whole post:

.

...snip...

Just me, but...
The way and order in which Arnel's mentioned his bandmates in interviews
can suggest he's comfortable with Deen, and still hasn't totally graduated
from awestruck fan-mode with regard to Neal, Ross and Jon.

Don't laugh, but some of his relatives/buddies were hoping to parlay Arnel's gig
into autographs from Steve Perry. I'd suspect Arnel would want one for himself, first.


Cheers.
wech.

Actually, Wech, Arnel has said he's closest to Neal and not as close to the others because he traveled in the bus during the tour with Neal and so they had a lot of time to talk. I guess I always assumed he was in a bus with Deen. And he said he and Neal have kept in touch via text messaging during the break, whereas, he hasn't kept in touch with the others while on break. But, yes, you're so right, I believe he will always be awestruck by Neal and Jon especially. He really looks up to Neal and is so thankful for all he did for him.

Jana,
Note when I posted what you are reacting to, and consider when the 2008 tour began/finished
All I'm saying is that, at the time, he seemed least intimidated by Deen.

Cheers,
wech

Say that again, real slowwww.

[mdaemon]

I have read two versions of the story:

Jeremey's: Said No to the gig due to the amount of time he will be away from his family. I think at that time, he's got a newborn child.

Neal's: Jeremey's very good but he thinks Jeremey sounds too much like Perry and felt a bit weird that they seem to have a physical resemblance as well.

I think I believe Neal's version that he doesn't want Journey to be looked at as a tribute band by hiring a Perry sound-alike and look-alike.

[mdaemon]

......My confusion comes into play when I see assortment of dates he's playing with his band as well as the places he's playing (scattered cities). Hopefully someone can get a grasp of what I'm trying to say here or...I guess what I'm saying is that Jeremey still has his wife and son, but he's out playing shows away from home.

If you look at the tour/show dates for Frontiers you will see they are mostly on Friday and Saturday nights....AND most of them are within a reasonable distance to return to his home and family for at least 3/4 days out of most weeks. There are a few dates that might make returning home not on the list for that week...but for the most part Frontiers schedule is a pretty good one for making it home for a few days a week. So I don't see the confusion on that item.....touring with Journey would require MONTHS on the road - non-stop. Choosing what he has going for him now touring with Frontiers is like apples and oranges - they just aren't the same.

...but he knew this already before he auditioned, if he's not happy with Journey's touring schedule and he knows that it is going to be a deal breaker, why waste his and Journey's time by auditioning?[/b]

[jrnyman28]

I have read two versions of the story:

Jeremey's: Said No to the gig due to the amount of time he will be away from his family. I think at that time, he's got a newborn child.

Neal's: Jeremey's very good but he thinks Jeremey sounds too much like Perry and felt a bit weird that they seem to have a physical resemblance as well.

I think I believe Neal's version that he doesn't want Journey to be looked at as a tribute band by hiring a Perry sound-alike and look-alike.

Well that was the story about Hugo. But it's funny that people really did think Perry had a perm at Augeri-era shows. I heard for myself many people thinking they were watching Perry. And Arnel has a 'similar' look because of his hair. Add that to the voice and you still get people thinking about Perry. And even though "we" fans hear the difference, it is amazing how many casual fans think Augeri and Arnel sound exactly like Perry...

[wednesday's child]

I have read two versions of the story:

Jeremey's: Said No to the gig due to the amount of time he will be away from his family. I think at that time, he's got a newborn child.

Neal's: Jeremey's very good but he thinks Jeremey sounds too much like Perry and felt a bit weird that they seem to have a physical resemblance as well.

I think I believe Neal's version that he doesn't want Journey to be looked at as a tribute band by hiring a Perry sound-alike and look-alike.

So they hire a Perry sound-alike in Pineda? LOL....
That's not quite it, methinks.

Jeremy and Arnel can both sound very much like SteveP... but:
the difference is that Jeremey seemed to have more vocal control --more nuance-- which Jon Cain wanted for his weepy-ass ballads
(and maybe that latter part is why Neal didn't woo Jeremey as diligently as he could have).
Arnel seemed to have the edge in power --which Neal thought would lend more to his rockers.
If we reduce t to a contest-by-proxy between Neal and Jon, then Neal won, period.

JMO,
wech

[mdaemon]

I have read two versions of the story:

Jeremey's: Said No to the gig due to the amount of time he will be away from his family. I think at that time, he's got a newborn child.

Neal's: Jeremey's very good but he thinks Jeremey sounds too much like Perry and felt a bit weird that they seem to have a physical resemblance as well.

I think I believe Neal's version that he doesn't want Journey to be looked at as a tribute band by hiring a Perry sound-alike and look-alike.

Well that was the story about Hugo. But it's funny that people really did think Perry had a perm at Augeri-era shows. I heard for myself many people thinking they were watching Perry. And Arnel has a 'similar' look because of his hair. Add that to the voice and you still get people thinking about Perry. And even though "we" fans hear the difference, it is amazing how many casual fans think Augeri and Arnel sound exactly like Perry...

a camel with cataract can distinguish Perry and Arnel.... 100 miles away!

[mdaemon]

I have read two versions of the story:

Jeremey's: Said No to the gig due to the amount of time he will be away from his family. I think at that time, he's got a newborn child.

Neal's: Jeremey's very good but he thinks Jeremey sounds too much like Perry and felt a bit weird that they seem to have a physical resemblance as well.

I think I believe Neal's version that he doesn't want Journey to be looked at as a tribute band by hiring a Perry sound-alike and look-alike.

So they hire a Perry sound-alike in Pineda? LOL....
That's not quite it, methinks.

Jeremy and Arnel can both sound very much like SteveP... but:
the difference is that Jeremey seemed to have more vocal control --more nuance-- which Jon Cain wanted for his weepy-ass ballads
(and maybe that latter part is why Neal didn't woo Jeremey as diligently as he could have).
Arnel seemed to have the edge in power --which Neal thought would lend more to his rockers.
If we reduce t to a contest-by-proxy between Neal and Jon, then Neal won, period.

JMO,
wech

Arnel can sound like Perry if he wants to. However, he has his own unique sound as what we all heard from Revelation. So from Neal's point of view, he's shooting two birds in one stone really. He's got a dude who has the legacy sound but can be his own man in singing the newer stuff. The bit where you said Arnel and Neal's rockers sound plausible too.

[Jana]

I posted about it June of last year..
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4106264

I'll just quote the whole post:

.

...snip...

Just me, but...
The way and order in which Arnel's mentioned his bandmates in interviews
can suggest he's comfortable with Deen, and still hasn't totally graduated
from awestruck fan-mode with regard to Neal, Ross and Jon.

Don't laugh, but some of his relatives/buddies were hoping to parlay Arnel's gig
into autographs from Steve Perry. I'd suspect Arnel would want one for himself, first.


Cheers.
wech.

Actually, Wech, Arnel has said he's closest to Neal and not as close to the others because he traveled in the bus during the tour with Neal and so they had a lot of time to talk. I guess I always assumed he was in a bus with Deen. And he said he and Neal have kept in touch via text messaging during the break, whereas, he hasn't kept in touch with the others while on break. But, yes, you're so right, I believe he will always be awestruck by Neal and Jon especially. He really looks up to Neal and is so thankful for all he did for him.

Jana,
Note when I posted what you are reacting to, and consider when the 2008 tour began/finished
All I'm saying is that, at the time, he seemed least intimidated by Deen.

Cheers,
wech

Sorry, Wech.