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OT: 11-Year-Old Shoots Father's Pregnant Fiancee

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:26 pm
by Voyager
Boy, 11, charged with killing father's fiancee, who was 8 months pregnant

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Jordan Brown was charged as an adult in the shooting death of Kenzie Marie Houk.

Kenzie Houk, 8 months pregnant, was shot to death in her bed. Her fiancee's 11-year-old son has been charged.

An 11-year-old Pennsylvania boy blew away his father's eight-months-pregnant fiancée - then calmly got on the bus and went to school, police and relatives said Saturday.

Jordan Brown was consumed with jealousy over Kenzie Houk's unborn baby and allegedly shot her dead as she lay in bed in the family's Wampum, Pa., farmhouse Friday morning.

Houk was just two weeks from giving birth - and Jordan was charged as an adult with two counts of criminal homicide, including one for the fetus, state police said.

"It's tragic," said a relative who did not want to be named. "They were to be married. He was jealous."

The young suspect's father, identified by family members as Christopher Brown, was at work at the time of the shooting, relatives said.

Jordan was being held last night in the Lawrence County, Pa., jail, but was in a cell away from the adult inmates.

Police did not disclose a motive, but relatives said Jordan was upset about the pregnancy.

"They knew it was going to be a boy. She had just gone to the doctor," one said. "Chris was paying more attention to Kenzie and the new boy coming along, so he was upset."

Police were shocked by the suspect's age.

"The whole thing is beyond belief," said Lt. Steve Ignatz.

Cops said Jordan shot Houk once in the head sometime between 7 a.m. and 8 a.m. with his youth-model 20-gauge shotgun - which he had used to win a turkey at a local shooting competition two weeks earlier.

He then left the house as if nothing had happened and caught the bus to school with Houk's 8-year-old daughter, police and relatives said.

The girl later told police what Jordan had done.

"She didn't actually eyewitness the shooting. She saw him with what she believed to be a shotgun and heard a loud bang," said Lawrence County District Attorney John Bongivengo.

Houk's body was discovered that morning by her younger daughter, who had just celebrated her fourth birthday the night before.

The girl ran out of the house, crying, and flagged down tree trimmers working near the house, about 35 miles northwest of Pittsburgh.

Cops found the shotgun beneath Jordan's bed.

Jordan initially tried to throw cops off with a false lead, telling them of a suspicious black truck he saw on his family's property the morning of the slaying.

The boy's lawyer Dennis Elisco said he'll try to get the case moved to juvenile court.

Elisco said Christopher Brown was "in a state of actual shock and disbelief." The father said his son had no prior problems with Houk.

Neighbors were horrified someone so young could be so cold-blooded.

"It's just so sad that an 11-year-old could do that," said Sara Johnston, 53, a grandmother who lives nearby. "It's sick."

"My heart aches for them all - even for the boy who did it," said another neighbor who did not want to be identified. "What makes a child do something like at 11 years old?"


I cannot imagine how torn the father must feel. Will he go and visit his son in jail? What will he say to him? This is fucked up.

:shock:

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:29 pm
by Babyblue
That is just so sad all around.I wish the boy could have talked to someone about this.My heart goes out to all of them.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:59 pm
by bluejeangirl76
I have no words. :shock:

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:19 am
by ebake02
Send him to worst prison in the country for a couple weeks before court to give a taste of what the next 20 years of his life is going to be like. Then maybe he'll regret what he did. Can't take a kid out behind the court house and shoot him so this would be a better choice. What in god's name would possess an 11 year old to shoot a pregnant woman.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:26 am
by Behshad
Great tragedy indeed.

Youre asking for trouble if you buy your 11 year old a fucking shotgun! :evil:
I can already hear you gunlovers "Guns dont kill people, people kill people" ,,,that argument is getting old ... if people (children) dont have shotguns, then neither people nor guns kill people.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:28 am
by ebake02
Behshad wrote:Great tragedy indeed.

Youre asking for trouble if you buy your 11 year old a fucking shotgun! :evil:
I can already hear you gunlovers "Guns dont kill people, people kill people" ,,,that argument is getting old ... if people (children) dont have shotguns, then neither people nor guns kill people.


Same here. I support the second amendment but you can't let anybody and everybody own a gun.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:47 am
by jrnyjunky
I get that the kid was jealous. Thats a normal feeling when a new baby comes into a family. What bothers me, no disturbs me the most is that he got on the bus like nothing had happened. And then was trying to lie and tell the police that there was a strange vehicle in the neighborhood and make it look like it was somebody else. Thats calculating...this kid has issues and this was just the straw that broke the camels back. You don't just wake up one morning and decide to shoot someone and then go to school like nothing happened. I think if this didn't happen it was just a matter of time before something else set him off.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:00 am
by MrsPerry
jrnyjunky wrote:I get that the kid was jealous. Thats a normal feeling when a new baby comes into a family. What bothers me, no disturbs me the most is that he got on the bus like nothing had happened. And then was trying to lie and tell the police that there was a strange vehicle in the neighborhood and make it look like it was somebody else. Thats calculating...this kid has issues and this was just the straw that broke the camels back. You don't just wake up one morning and decide to shoot someone and then go to school like nothing happened. I think if this didn't happen it was just a matter of time before something else set him off.


very well said.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:21 am
by RossValoryRocks
I am for the Second Amendment, and I don't think that teaching a kid to hunt and properly use a firearm at 11 is a bad thing, HOWEVER, the firearm should not be accessible when there is no adult supervision!!!!!

It needs to be locked in a gun safe, and the key needs to be with the adult where the child cannot get to it.

What a tragedy.

I went to school very close to there and it is a sleep little community full of very nice people.

I agree with the jealousy motive as well. Which happens any time a new baby comes into a family.

My prayers are with the family, and the child as well. He has completely destroyed his life and I don't think he really understands what he has done here.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:45 am
by Behshad
RossValoryRocks wrote:I am for the Second Amendment, and I don't think that teaching a kid to hunt and properly use a firearm at 11 is a bad thing, HOWEVER, the firearm should not be accessible when there is no adult supervision!!!!!

It needs to be locked in a gun safe, and the key needs to be with the adult where the child cannot get to it.

What a tragedy.

I went to school very close to there and it is a sleep little community full of very nice people.

I agree with the jealousy motive as well. Which happens any time a new baby comes into a family.

My prayers are with the family, and the child as well. He has completely destroyed his life and I don't think he really understands what he has done here.


somehow I had a feeling you'd post in this thread. :lol: :wink: Hope all is well with you bro. 8)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:45 am
by Michigan Girl
RossValoryRocks wrote:I am for the Second Amendment, and I don't think that teaching a kid to hunt and properly use a firearm at 11 is a bad thing, HOWEVER, the firearm should not be accessible when there is no adult supervision!!!!!

It needs to be locked in a gun safe, and the key needs to be with the adult where the child cannot get to it.

What a tragedy.

I went to school very close to there and it is a sleep little community full of very nice people.

I agree with the jealousy motive as well. Which happens any time a new baby comes into a family.

My prayers are with the family, and the child as well. He has completely destroyed his life and I don't think he really understands what he has done here.

+1
Such a sweet little face....doesn't seem possible!! :cry:

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:47 am
by RossValoryRocks
Behshad wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:I am for the Second Amendment, and I don't think that teaching a kid to hunt and properly use a firearm at 11 is a bad thing, HOWEVER, the firearm should not be accessible when there is no adult supervision!!!!!

It needs to be locked in a gun safe, and the key needs to be with the adult where the child cannot get to it.

What a tragedy.

I went to school very close to there and it is a sleep little community full of very nice people.

I agree with the jealousy motive as well. Which happens any time a new baby comes into a family.

My prayers are with the family, and the child as well. He has completely destroyed his life and I don't think he really understands what he has done here.


somehow I had a feeling you'd post in this thread. :lol: :wink: Hope all is well with you bro. 8)


Yeah, I had to post, because people like to use things like this as an excuse to blast the second amendment and gun ownership, rather they should be blast IRRESPOSIBLE gun owners.

I am doing good brother, hope all is well with you and yours as well!

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:02 am
by KDOUBLEU
RossValoryRocks wrote:I am for the Second Amendment, and I don't think that teaching a kid to hunt and properly use a firearm at 11 is a bad thing, HOWEVER, the firearm should not be accessible when there is no adult supervision!!!!!

It needs to be locked in a gun safe, and the key needs to be with the adult where the child cannot get to it.

What a tragedy.

I went to school very close to there and it is a sleep little community full of very nice people.

I agree with the jealousy motive as well. Which happens any time a new baby comes into a family.

My prayers are with the family, and the child as well. He has completely destroyed his life and I don't think he really understands what he has done here.
This is more than just an issue of locking a gun up. This kid has serious mental problems. No normal 11yr. old would do something like this. There is much more to this story.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 am
by StoneCold
KDOUBLEU wrote:]This is more than just an issue of locking a gun up. This kid has serious mental problems. No normal 11yr. old would do something like this. There is much more to this story.


Ditto that.

I'll bet anything his father had been neglecting this kid for a very long time now. Prolly spending all free time with his hot young girlfriend and treating the kid as baggage. Maybe making the kid do chores he should've been doing.

Don't know the background but where's the kids real mom. Maybe the kid hoped to get her back in the picture.

The gun isn't the issue at all. Knives, bats, matches, gasoline and rat poison are easily accessible if the gun isn't.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:55 am
by MrsPerry
StoneCold wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:]This is more than just an issue of locking a gun up. This kid has serious mental problems. No normal 11yr. old would do something like this. There is much more to this story.


Ditto that.

I'll bet anything his father had been neglecting this kid for a very long time now. Prolly spending all free time with his hot young girlfriend and treating the kid as baggage. Maybe making the kid do chores he should've been doing.

Don't know the background but where's the kids real mom. Maybe the kid hoped to get her back in the picture.

The gun isn't the issue at all. Knives, bats, matches, gasoline and rat poison are easily accessible if the gun isn't.


I have to agree with you there as well. I feel very sorry for this little boy. I still agree there is more to the story as well.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:35 am
by Voyager
StoneCold wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:]This is more than just an issue of locking a gun up. This kid has serious mental problems. No normal 11yr. old would do something like this. There is much more to this story.


Ditto that.

I'll bet anything his father had been neglecting this kid for a very long time now. Prolly spending all free time with his hot young girlfriend and treating the kid as baggage. Maybe making the kid do chores he should've been doing.

Don't know the background but where's the kids real mom. Maybe the kid hoped to get her back in the picture.

The gun isn't the issue at all. Knives, bats, matches, gasoline and rat poison are easily accessible if the gun isn't.


You're probably right. His dad married into a family of three girls (wife and two daughters) and he was the only son. Now his parents have been doting about his new baby brother that is about to be born for over eight months now, and he felt like if he allowed the baby to be born it would push him out of the picture even further. He probably also blamed his stepmom for all of his jealousy issues. The sad thing is that what he did accomplished the opposite of what he wanted - to be closer with his dad. Now that is ruined forever.

I agree this is not a gun control issue. If he wouldn't have had the gun, the sledge hammer in the tool room would have accomplished the same goal of killing the woman while she was sleeping.

:(

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:38 am
by Behshad
I disagree Voyager

It had to do with gun control.
You don't lock a gun away from an eleven year old , the chances of something like this happening doubles. Not to mention the fact that a gun totally increases the chance of killing someone rather just injuring them.

The gun makes it easier to take out the "target" than a knife or a "sledge hammer while asleep "

Nevertheless, if the dad didn't know that the kid had issues , I doubt if this family would have had a bright future.
Hopefully this sends out a message to all stepmom and stepdads out there , specially the ones who don't treat a stepchild as their own

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:42 am
by Jubilee
Voyager wrote:
StoneCold wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:]This is more than just an issue of locking a gun up. This kid has serious mental problems. No normal 11yr. old would do something like this. There is much more to this story.


Ditto that.

I'll bet anything his father had been neglecting this kid for a very long time now. Prolly spending all free time with his hot young girlfriend and treating the kid as baggage. Maybe making the kid do chores he should've been doing.

Don't know the background but where's the kids real mom. Maybe the kid hoped to get her back in the picture.

The gun isn't the issue at all. Knives, bats, matches, gasoline and rat poison are easily accessible if the gun isn't.


You're probably right. His dad married into a family of three girls (wife and two daughters) and he was the only son. Now his parents have been doting about his new baby brother that is about to be born for over eight months now, and he felt like if he allowed the baby to be born it would push him out of the picture even further. He probably also blamed his stepmom for all of his jealousy issues. The sad thing is that what he did accomplished the opposite of what he wanted - to be closer with his dad. Now that is ruined forever.

I agree this is not a gun control issue. If he wouldn't have had the gun, the sledge hammer in the tool room would have accomplished the same goal of killing the woman while she was sleeping.

:(



I agree. There likely was more to this than the "family" welcoming a new baby. This wasn't just any baby, this was the baby by his father and some woman who was not his mother, or even his stepmother, but a "live-in" girlfriend - basically an interloper. There probably were jealousy issues mixed with teen-age hormones. That can be a volatile mix. And yes, if he hadn't had access to the shotgun, it would have been something else.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:26 am
by The Sushi Hunter
I think that the father should do anything and everything in his power to get this kid off the hook, and then take him home and fucking cook him a home welcoming beef stew with lots of poisonous deathcap mushrooms. It's a misurable death, especially when no medical attention will be sought during the process. That's what I would love to do with this fucking little shithead. Looking at the mug shot and reading the story makes me want to just hit him in the head with a baseball bat....cause in ten to twenty years from now I guarantee you we will be revisiting this killer during another murder incident. Leave it to Beaver looking motherfucker.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:02 am
by YoungJRNY
Happened in Wampum, PA. Literally about 4 min from my house and apart of my borough here in Ellwood City. Sad, didn't know the girl or anything, and just thought it was another drunk/drug family in the area. Very sad to learn the outcome of the story. What a little Damien. I'd shoot the fucker right between his eyes with Tabasco sauce and throw him in the oven.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:31 am
by Ehwmatt
Behshad wrote:I disagree Voyager

It had to do with gun control.
You don't lock a gun away from an eleven year old , the chances of something like this happening doubles. Not to mention the fact that a gun totally increases the chance of killing someone rather just injuring them.

The gun makes it easier to take out the "target" than a knife or a "sledge hammer while asleep "

Nevertheless, if the dad didn't know that the kid had issues , I doubt if this family would have had a bright future.
Hopefully this sends out a message to all stepmom and stepdads out there , specially the ones who don't treat a stepchild as their own


This wasn't an accident, it was an act committed with malice. Eleven is not too young to discern the morality/immorality of an act. Kid's got real issues, gun or no gun in the house.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:32 am
by Ehwmatt
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I think that the father should do anything and everything in his power to get this kid off the hook, and then take him home and fucking cook him a home welcoming beef stew with lots of poisonous deathcap mushrooms. It's a misurable death, especially when no medical attention will be sought during the process. That's what I would love to do with this fucking little shithead. Looking at the mug shot and reading the story makes me want to just hit him in the head with a baseball bat....cause in ten to twenty years from now I guarantee you we will be revisiting this killer during another murder incident. Leave it to Beaver looking motherfucker.


Sociopathy can't be diagnosed til 18... but that mugshot sure epitomizes sociopathy.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:33 am
by Ehwmatt
Jubilee wrote:
Voyager wrote:
StoneCold wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:]This is more than just an issue of locking a gun up. This kid has serious mental problems. No normal 11yr. old would do something like this. There is much more to this story.


Ditto that.

I'll bet anything his father had been neglecting this kid for a very long time now. Prolly spending all free time with his hot young girlfriend and treating the kid as baggage. Maybe making the kid do chores he should've been doing.

Don't know the background but where's the kids real mom. Maybe the kid hoped to get her back in the picture.

The gun isn't the issue at all. Knives, bats, matches, gasoline and rat poison are easily accessible if the gun isn't.


You're probably right. His dad married into a family of three girls (wife and two daughters) and he was the only son. Now his parents have been doting about his new baby brother that is about to be born for over eight months now, and he felt like if he allowed the baby to be born it would push him out of the picture even further. He probably also blamed his stepmom for all of his jealousy issues. The sad thing is that what he did accomplished the opposite of what he wanted - to be closer with his dad. Now that is ruined forever.

I agree this is not a gun control issue. If he wouldn't have had the gun, the sledge hammer in the tool room would have accomplished the same goal of killing the woman while she was sleeping.

:(



I agree. There likely was more to this than the "family" welcoming a new baby. This wasn't just any baby, this was the baby by his father and some woman who was not his mother, or even his stepmother, but a "live-in" girlfriend - basically an interloper. There probably were jealousy issues mixed with teen-age hormones. That can be a volatile mix. And yes, if he hadn't had access to the shotgun, it would have been something else.


Too bad for the kid. In this day and age, there's so many kids that are put into this admittedly psychologically devastating situation. And just as most kids/people who play Halo, Grand Theft Auto, or listen to Metallica don't kill other people or themselves, most kids in this situation don't run around killing people. Fuck this little shit right to hell.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:31 am
by Arianddu
Behshad wrote:I disagree Voyager

It had to do with gun control.
You don't lock a gun away from an eleven year old , the chances of something like this happening doubles. Not to mention the fact that a gun totally increases the chance of killing someone rather just injuring them.

The gun makes it easier to take out the "target" than a knife or a "sledge hammer while asleep "

Nevertheless, if the dad didn't know that the kid had issues , I doubt if this family would have had a bright future.
Hopefully this sends out a message to all stepmom and stepdads out there , specially the ones who don't treat a stepchild as their own


Agreed. I'm not denying that the kid has serious issues, but there is a big difference between taking a gun and pulling a trigger, and picking up a sledge hammer and battering someone to death or stabbing them with a knife. The gun puts distance between you; you pull the trigger but the bullet does the damage. I can see a lot of people pulling a trigger in cold blood; it's much harder to picture them coldly battering someone to death.

I can also see the kid getting on the bus and going to school, and later lying about what has happened. The brain is very good at denying trauma. They say there is a 10 minute window on suicide in most cases; from the impulse to the act is about 10-15 minutes and if not acted on in that time frame, then it isn't likely to be acted on at all. I have a feeling the same thing happened here; maybe a fight happened, maybe the kid spent the night dwelling on the situation, and the idea just came 'if she wasn't here...' No follow through thought, no consideration, just impulse and do and then the brain just denies what just happened.

I used to do a lot of volunteer work helping with relief care for familes where a family member (usually a parent) had cancer. The 8-12 year olds were the hardest for me, because they were old enough to grasp the concept of someone dying, but not old enough to understand what it means to have some die. "Dad is dying" meant Dad was going to die, to go away, wouldn't be there, they were able to say that, and understand it, and be upset by it, but it was on the same level as "Dad is leaving". When the death did occur, very often those kids didn't start really grieving until they were in their late teens or early twenties, because that's when they finally 'understood' what it means on an emotional level. I can see for this kid, shooting someone with a gun is to a certain extent still 'bang bang you're dead' - in the moment at least. He understood what he was doing enough to deny it after the act, but not to fully understand the enormity of what he'd done, or to understand the consequences properly.

Not only that, but 10-13 is probably the most amoral time in our lives. Most kids that age steal, lie, tease, bully and torment at some point. For some it's a one-off thing, for others it becomes habit. It seems to be part of growing into an adult; it's like we lose the shackles of childhood obedience, but haven't yet grown up enough to have our conscience or 'in-built' morality kick in.

I'm not trying to excuse the kid, just trying to get my head around how this could happen. Two things are certain: 1. There's more to the story than we know so far and 2. there's no way the kid fully comprehends the consequences of what he's done.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:01 am
by Voyager
Arianddu wrote:The gun makes it easier to take out the "target" than a knife or a "sledge hammer while asleep ".


If the kid had murder in his heart with the end goal of taking the stepmother out, he was going to do it somehow. The means of accomplishing it became secondary to his compulsive obsession to remove the enemy that was stealing his dad's love and affection away.

I'm sure something will come out about how this kid's mother abandoned or neglected him. This is classic psychopathic behavior.

8)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:07 am
by Ehwmatt
Voyager wrote:
Arianddu wrote:The gun makes it easier to take out the "target" than a knife or a "sledge hammer while asleep ".


If the kid had murder in his heart with the end goal of taking the stepmother out, he was going to do it somehow. The means of accomplishing it became secondary to his compulsive obsession to remove the enemy that was stealing his dad's love and affection away.

I'm sure something will come out about how this kid's mother abandoned or neglected him. This is classic psychopathic behavior.

8)


Yeah, no doubt the excuses will be coming out in spades.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:10 am
by StoneCold
YoungJRNY wrote:... What a little Damien. ...


:lol:

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:25 am
by Lula
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I think that the father should do anything and everything in his power to get this kid off the hook, and then take him home and fucking cook him a home welcoming beef stew with lots of poisonous deathcap mushrooms. It's a misurable death, especially when no medical attention will be sought during the process. That's what I would love to do with this fucking little shithead. Looking at the mug shot and reading the story makes me want to just hit him in the head with a baseball bat....cause in ten to twenty years from now I guarantee you we will be revisiting this killer during another murder incident. Leave it to Beaver looking motherfucker.


this is just as frightening. you can't possibly be serious :shock:

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:07 pm
by The Sushi Hunter
Lula wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I think that the father should do anything and everything in his power to get this kid off the hook, and then take him home and fucking cook him a home welcoming beef stew with lots of poisonous deathcap mushrooms. It's a misurable death, especially when no medical attention will be sought during the process. That's what I would love to do with this fucking little shithead. Looking at the mug shot and reading the story makes me want to just hit him in the head with a baseball bat....cause in ten to twenty years from now I guarantee you we will be revisiting this killer during another murder incident. Leave it to Beaver looking motherfucker.


this is just as frightening. you can't possibly be serious :shock:


Your right, I wasn't serious at all. I do want to see him murder another pregnent woman, at which point everyone will be shocked all over again like the first time it happened. This kid's a little piece of shit and I'm here to tell you that the only change will be Little piece of shit and Big piece of shit. This fucker has a next victim out there somewhere. Mark my words.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:17 pm
by StoneCold
Sushi has a point. The kid needs to be locked up in a mental hospital at the very least.

What do they always say about serial killers? They're cruel to animals in their youth. This kid cut past all that nonsense and went straight to offing humans. A defenseless sleeping woman and her unborn child.

11 year old makes Scott Peterson look like an amateur. That kid's a little Adolf ready to sprout. Keep him locked up.