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Which do you like better?

Arrival by far. Alot of new postersw never heard it so Revelations will problablly win

Arrival hands down, as well....BUT, too many soft ass songs on Arrival. I like the rockers. 'Kiss Me Softly'? Kiss my arse.

Only song I like on REV is Like a Sunshower....fuck the rest.

Hmm...tough call.
'Revelation' is more consistent.
'Arrival' is an album of peaks and valleys, but it's high points really soar.
'Arrival' also shows a band unafraid of forging ahead, whereas 'Revelation' seems to have been carefully calculated to sound like the past.
For example, can you imagine the contemplative 'Livin to Do' on there? - I can't.

I'll go with 'Revelation' just because I can't find a bad track on it, but 'Arrival' is stronger in many respects.
Not the least of which is a vocalist devoid of diction problems.

StocktontoMalone wrote:Arrival hands down, as well....BUT, too many soft ass songs on Arrival. I like the rockers. 'Kiss Me Softly'? Kiss my arse.

Only song I like on REV is Like a Sunshower....fuck the rest.

Sunshowa sounds gay to me. I do like Change for the Betta

stevew2 wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Arrival hands down, as well....BUT, too many soft ass songs on Arrival. I like the rockers. 'Kiss Me Softly'? Kiss my arse.

Only song I like on REV is Like a Sunshower....fuck the rest.

Sunshowa sounds gay to me. I do like Change for the Betta

Maybe thats because I like Infinity-Departure era the best...and that song wouldn't have sounded out of place on Evolution(my fave.).

And it would sound gay to you, and your sig. other, Steve-o....HELP!

StocktontoMalone wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Arrival hands down, as well....BUT, too many soft ass songs on Arrival. I like the rockers. 'Kiss Me Softly'? Kiss my arse.

Only song I like on REV is Like a Sunshower....fuck the rest.

Sunshowa sounds gay to me. I do like Change for the Betta

Maybe thats because I like Infinity-Departure era the best...and that song wouldn't have sounded out of place on Evolution(my fave.).

And it would sound gay to you, and your sig. other, Steve-o....HELP!

It sounds just like lights Change sounds like Escape era with all them buzzy keyboard sound comin from the girl

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Hmm...tough call.
'Revelation' is more consistent.
'Arrival' is an album of peaks and valleys, but it's high points really soar.
'Arrival' also shows a band unafraid of forging ahead, whereas 'Revelation' seems to have been carefully calculated to sound like the past.
For example, can you imagine the contemplative 'Livin to Do' on there? - I can't.

I'll go with 'Revelation' just because I can't find a bad track on it, but 'Arrival' is stronger in many respects.
Not the least of which is a vocalist devoid of diction problems.

+1

Arrival. Too good.

Ive got to go with Arrival, although it is a tough choice.

Ya know, I totally agreed with TNC's post but when I clicked "vote" I voted for Arrival. I think it has to do more with respecting the band then. As TNC said, they showed a willingness to 'forge ahead', although Sony picked most of the songs to showcase that 'legacy' sound they are touting now, Journey was still willing to push a little with "Living To Do", "Kiss Me Softly" and "We Will Meet Again". They started the album reminding the world who they were, but Journey closed the album showing the world where they were (could be) going. Trim a couple of the ballads out of the middle, shortening the overall playing time in the process, and I think you have a near perfect album! (Well, fix the mix on WGW and NCC).

I voted my first instinct, which is Revelations. But after considering - it is true that if the cheesey foursome of ballads were trimmed to 1 - Arrival would have been much stronger than it seems. The problem with it as it stands is you hit skip too much, and that hurts it rating.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Hmm...tough call.
'Revelation' is more consistent.
'Arrival' is an album of peaks and valleys, but it's high points really soar.
'Arrival' also shows a band unafraid of forging ahead, whereas 'Revelation' seems to have been carefully calculated to sound like the past.
For example, can you imagine the contemplative 'Livin to Do' on there? - I can't.

I'll go with 'Revelation' just because I can't find a bad track on it, but 'Arrival' is stronger in many respects.
Not the least of which is a vocalist devoid of diction problems.

Well put. Cut Arrival down to 10 tracks (same number of actual songs on Revelation) and it would probably win.

As far as the Livin to Do comment, it's a stronger track than What I Needed, but they are both basically cut from the same cloth. That being the lyrically deep, non-commercial track that shows considerably more depth as a band than your simple pop-rock song. Kevin Shirley seems to like those tracks, but for whatever reason, less of them were present this time around.

kgdjpubs wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Hmm...tough call.
'Revelation' is more consistent.
'Arrival' is an album of peaks and valleys, but it's high points really soar.
'Arrival' also shows a band unafraid of forging ahead, whereas 'Revelation' seems to have been carefully calculated to sound like the past.
For example, can you imagine the contemplative 'Livin to Do' on there? - I can't.

I'll go with 'Revelation' just because I can't find a bad track on it, but 'Arrival' is stronger in many respects.
Not the least of which is a vocalist devoid of diction problems.

Well put. Cut Arrival down to 10 tracks (same number of actual songs on Revelation) and it would probably win.

As far as the Livin to Do comment, it's a stronger track than What I Needed, but they are both basically cut from the same cloth. That being the lyrically deep, non-commercial track that shows considerably more depth as a band than your simple pop-rock song. Kevin Shirley seems to like those tracks, but for whatever reason, less of them were present this time around.

Livin to Do buttfucks What I Needed in eight hundred different positions. That's the one track from Rev I just haven't gotten. Actually, that and Sunshower.

kgdjpubs wrote:As far as the Livin to Do comment, it's a stronger track than What I Needed, but they are both basically cut from the same cloth. That being the lyrically deep, non-commercial track that shows considerably more depth as a band than your simple pop-rock song. Kevin Shirley seems to like those tracks, but for whatever reason, less of them were present this time around.

I realize this...
At the same time, as non-commercial as "Sunshower" or "What I Needed" may be, there is something distinctively retro about both of them.
They could almost pass as B-sides from Infinity or Departure.
Less so with "Livin to Do", despite the presence of some B3 organ action in the outro.

Perhaps "Live and Breathe" would be a better example.
While not a fav of mine, you have to admit it doesn't neatly fit into any past Journey era.

Ehwmatt wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:
As far as the Livin to Do comment, it's a stronger track than What I Needed, but they are both basically cut from the same cloth. That being the lyrically deep, non-commercial track that shows considerably more depth as a band than your simple pop-rock song. Kevin Shirley seems to like those tracks, but for whatever reason, less of them were present this time around.

Livin to Do buttfucks What I Needed in eight hundred different positions. That's the one track from Rev I just haven't gotten. Actually, that and Sunshower.

Some songs may take time to get. Others may never get better. I never liked Castles Burning until I heard the Augeri live version. That's still the ONE song I think Augeri does better than Perry.

As far as Rev goes...I like Sunshower, but the ending threatens to ruin everything that came before it. Also, What It Takes to Win is a lyrical abomination--and no amount of good musicianship will ever save that. Absolutely the worst lyrically since Raised on Radio, the title track, of which I'm no fan of either.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:As far as the Livin to Do comment, it's a stronger track than What I Needed, but they are both basically cut from the same cloth. That being the lyrically deep, non-commercial track that shows considerably more depth as a band than your simple pop-rock song. Kevin Shirley seems to like those tracks, but for whatever reason, less of them were present this time around.

I realize this...
At the same time, as non-commercial as "Sunshower" or "What I Needed" may be, there is something distinctively retro about both of them.
They could almost pass as B-sides from Infinity or Departure.
Less so with "Livin to Do", despite the presence of some B3 organ action in the outro.

Perhaps "Live and Breathe" would be a better example.
While not a fav of mine, you have to admit it doesn't neatly fit into any past Journey era.

No disagreement there. There is definitely that 70s Journey feel on Sunshower, and What I Needed to a lesser extent. Journey has pushed boundaries a bit on every album from TBF forward, and with the exception of some choices on Generations (multiple vocalists, etc), I think it's been rather productive.

What is so bad about Sunshower?

An inquiring mind wants to know.......

StocktontoMalone wrote:What is so bad about Sunshower?

An inquiring mind wants to know.......

It's not terrible, it just doesn't do anything for me. Feels like a meandering song to me. Just my opinion. Arnel sounds great and the vibe on it is definitely really good and indeed reminiscent of the 70s era (which I like a LOT). I just don't find myself coming back to it for any reason

Ehwmatt wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:What is so bad about Sunshower?

An inquiring mind wants to know.......

It's not terrible, it just doesn't do anything for me. Feels like a meandering song to me. Just my opinion. Arnel sounds great and the vibe on it is definitely really good and indeed reminiscent of the 70s era (which I like a LOT). I just don't find myself coming back to it for any reason

Fair Enough

StoneCold wrote:Which do you like better?

Looks like Arrival is winning the vote so far.

So much for Arnel being more popular than Augeri.

Arrival RULES.

If Arnel sang on Arrival and Augeri sang on Revelation, I would think the vote would still be the same for most people. It's not just the vocals but the overall feel of the songs. Arrival had the potential to break away from the SP era sound, even if just a little bit. Revelation returns to the safe confines of the old formula.

Gunbot wrote:If Arnel sang on Arrival and Augeri sang on Revelation, I would think the vote would still be the same for most people. It's not just the vocals but the overall feel of the songs. Arrival had the potential to break away from the SP era sound, even if just a little bit. Revelation returns to the safe confines of the old formula.

Agreed. And since Steve had little contribution to Arrival and Arnel had no contribution to Revelation the strength of Arrival seems to lay at Neal and Jon's feet. I guess it was a good decision to use outside writers...

Ehwmatt wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Hmm...tough call.
'Revelation' is more consistent.
'Arrival' is an album of peaks and valleys, but it's high points really soar.
'Arrival' also shows a band unafraid of forging ahead, whereas 'Revelation' seems to have been carefully calculated to sound like the past.
For example, can you imagine the contemplative 'Livin to Do' on there? - I can't.

I'll go with 'Revelation' just because I can't find a bad track on it, but 'Arrival' is stronger in many respects.
Not the least of which is a vocalist devoid of diction problems.

Well put. Cut Arrival down to 10 tracks (same number of actual songs on Revelation) and it would probably win.

As far as the Livin to Do comment, it's a stronger track than What I Needed, but they are both basically cut from the same cloth. That being the lyrically deep, non-commercial track that shows considerably more depth as a band than your simple pop-rock song. Kevin Shirley seems to like those tracks, but for whatever reason, less of them were present this time around.

Livin to Do buttfucks What I Needed in eight hundred different positions. That's the one track from Rev I just haven't gotten. Actually, that and Sunshower.

There is some very strong vocal work on "What I needed"...and Sunflower has a cool ass sound...but Livin to Do is just a very meaningful intense tune.

HOLY SHIT - we're actually talking about Journey Music!!

Eric wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Hmm...tough call.
'Revelation' is more consistent.
'Arrival' is an album of peaks and valleys, but it's high points really soar.
'Arrival' also shows a band unafraid of forging ahead, whereas 'Revelation' seems to have been carefully calculated to sound like the past.
For example, can you imagine the contemplative 'Livin to Do' on there? - I can't.

I'll go with 'Revelation' just because I can't find a bad track on it, but 'Arrival' is stronger in many respects.
Not the least of which is a vocalist devoid of diction problems.

Well put. Cut Arrival down to 10 tracks (same number of actual songs on Revelation) and it would probably win.

As far as the Livin to Do comment, it's a stronger track than What I Needed, but they are both basically cut from the same cloth. That being the lyrically deep, non-commercial track that shows considerably more depth as a band than your simple pop-rock song. Kevin Shirley seems to like those tracks, but for whatever reason, less of them were present this time around.

Livin to Do buttfucks What I Needed in eight hundred different positions. That's the one track from Rev I just haven't gotten. Actually, that and Sunshower.

There is some very strong vocal work on "What I needed"...and Sunflower has a cool ass sound...but Livin to Do is just a very meaningful intense tune.

HOLY SHIT - we're actually talking about Journey Music!!

How cool is that?

I don't have enough experience with Arrival to really comment, but I voted for Revelation because I prefer Arnels voice over Augeri's.

It's close, but Revelation takes the cake for me. If Arrival had been cut down to about ten or so songs, as someone suggested, it would probably win.

Gideon wrote:It's close, but Revelation takes the cake for me. If Arrival had been cut down to about ten or so songs, as someone suggested, it would probably win.

I've seen this from a few people in this thread. I won't argue with your favoring Rev, but if you like Arrival more than Revs besides the filler, why wouldn't Arrival still be better? Can always skip over the filler.

If we're talking about "best album" literally in the sense of good length, good cohesiveness or whatever then that's a different story. I just think the great moments on Arrival outshine even the best from Rev. And I don't find it to be as filler-heavy as some do...

Ehwmatt wrote:

Gideon wrote:It's close, but Revelation takes the cake for me. If Arrival had been cut down to about ten or so songs, as someone suggested, it would probably win.

I've seen this from a few people in this thread. I won't argue with your favoring Rev, but if you like Arrival more than Revs besides the filler, why wouldn't Arrival still be better? Can always skip over the filler.

If we're talking about "best album" literally in the sense of good length, good cohesiveness or whatever then that's a different story. I just think the great moments on Arrival outshine even the best from Rev. And I don't find it to be as filler-heavy as some do...

It's extremely close. I have a soft spot for Augeri; technically, Arnel kicks the shit out of him -- he's got a stronger voice, better range, greater control. But there's a great tone and delivery that makes up for it. I either love the songs on Arrival or hate them; there's no middle ground for me, unlike Revelation, where there isn't (other than FitH) any song I actually dislike. I think Arrival hits a rut where it could just put me to sleep.

All in all, it comes down to "Change for the Better" versus "Higher Place" and as much as I love HP, CFtB is the better version of Escape, imho (which is also a fantastic song).

Gideon wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Gideon wrote:It's close, but Revelation takes the cake for me. If Arrival had been cut down to about ten or so songs, as someone suggested, it would probably win.

I've seen this from a few people in this thread. I won't argue with your favoring Rev, but if you like Arrival more than Revs besides the filler, why wouldn't Arrival still be better? Can always skip over the filler.

If we're talking about "best album" literally in the sense of good length, good cohesiveness or whatever then that's a different story. I just think the great moments on Arrival outshine even the best from Rev. And I don't find it to be as filler-heavy as some do...

It's extremely close. I have a soft spot for Augeri; technically, Arnel kicks the shit out of him -- he's got a stronger voice, better range, greater control. But there's a great tone and delivery that makes up for it. I either love the songs on Arrival or hate them; there's no middle ground for me, unlike Revelation, where there isn't (other than FitH) any song I actually dislike. I think Arrival hits a rut where it could just put me to sleep.

All in all, it comes down to "Change for the Better" versus "Higher Place" and as much as I love HP, CFtB is the better version of Escape, imho (which is also a fantastic song).

And which, is overall, my favorite Journey song.