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before anything else, im no arnel fan nor perry fan.
(dont mind my avatar, i just like to play around with photos)
although i started to become a journey music fan when pineda was hired by the band.

since then ive listened to a lot of perry clips that i can find on youtube.
and there are tons of them out there. God bless those people who posted them.
i envy a lot of you guys out there who were able to hear journey live back in the days of escape.

well i know its not fair to dissect a vocal performance through youtube, but i gotta say this:
pineda is way out of perry's league when it comes to vocal technique.
im no expert so i even dont know if that sounded correctly.

but what i meant was, although pineda can channel perry's voice, the latter seems light years away in terms of, umm, everything.
i know that comparing the two is stupid. and will be very unfair for arnel and/or might even be deemed as blasphemous to perry loons.
but maybe, just maybe, someone agrees with me here that with some top notch vocal coaching, arnel can somehow come close to how perry was back in those days.
what is frustrating for me though is that pineda just couldnt somehow hone the raw talent that he has to satisfy my ear buds.

my dream for this band is that somehow, pineda, with the help of some divine intervention, be able to learn that vocal technique perry has/had (whatever).
then myself and everyone for that matter, can be pampered (again) with that journey sound that i know neal/jon cain has been trying for a decade to recapture.
and i still hope that the next album they say they are making, be far greater than that forgettable record of a Revelation.

wishful thinking? shoot me.

Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

Interesting concept, Niggie. Maybe next go around, eh?

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

hiring pineda was all business.
to make money out of the novelty.
the least journey could do is help out the new singer evolve into an even better one to make new, good music.

I think Arnel's fantastic. Comparatively, he's raw. Perry's trademark was control; he literally made the best of what he had. Despite his own considerable experience, Arnel's been a "raw vocalist." He'll go out on stage and nail you with his ridiculous level of power and range, but it lacks the Perry polish. Different styles or lack of formal discipline? I don't know.

I agree that Arnel has room to improve, and hasn't done enough about it.
Forget the accent: I'm talking about breathing, the hard terminal "T"s to his words, and slurring.
That's before we even get outside of his 'power' deliveries.
It's frustrating as heck.

Esc wrote:before anything else, im no arnel fan nor perry fan.
(dont mind my avatar, i just like to play around with photos)
although i started to become a journey music fan when pineda was hired by the band.

since then ive listened to a lot of perry clips that i can find on youtube.
and there are tons of them out there. God bless those people who posted them.
i envy a lot of you guys out there who were able to hear journey live back in the days of escape.

well i know its not fair to dissect a vocal performance through youtube, but i gotta say this:
pineda is way out of perry's league when it comes to vocal technique.
im no expert so i even dont know if that sounded correctly.

but what i meant was, although pineda can channel perry's voice, the latter seems light years away in terms of, umm, everything.
i know that comparing the two is stupid. and will be very unfair for arnel and/or might even be deemed as blasphemous to perry loons.
but maybe, just maybe, someone agrees with me here that with some top notch vocal coaching, arnel can somehow come close to how perry was back in those days.
what is frustrating for me though is that pineda just couldnt somehow hone the raw talent that he has to satisfy my ear buds.

my dream for this band is that somehow, pineda, with the help of some divine intervention, be able to learn that vocal technique perry has/had (whatever).
then myself and everyone for that matter, can be pampered (again) with that journey sound that i know neal/jon cain has been trying for a decade to recapture.
and i still hope that the next album they say they are making, be far greater than that forgettable record of a Revelation.

wishful thinking? shoot me.

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

Since 78 wrote:Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

I think his version in the studio is more or less equal to Perry's. Live? He kicks Perry's ass on OtY.

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

did you just say WAY more??? what.. have you been watching reruns of Friends or something?

im like SO no way man..

Since 78 wrote:

Esc wrote:before anything else, im no arnel fan nor perry fan.
(dont mind my avatar, i just like to play around with photos)
although i started to become a journey music fan when pineda was hired by the band.

since then ive listened to a lot of perry clips that i can find on youtube.
and there are tons of them out there. God bless those people who posted them.
i envy a lot of you guys out there who were able to hear journey live back in the days of escape.

well i know its not fair to dissect a vocal performance through youtube, but i gotta say this:
pineda is way out of perry's league when it comes to vocal technique.
im no expert so i even dont know if that sounded correctly.

but what i meant was, although pineda can channel perry's voice, the latter seems light years away in terms of, umm, everything.
i know that comparing the two is stupid. and will be very unfair for arnel and/or might even be deemed as blasphemous to perry loons.
but maybe, just maybe, someone agrees with me here that with some top notch vocal coaching, arnel can somehow come close to how perry was back in those days.
what is frustrating for me though is that pineda just couldnt somehow hone the raw talent that he has to satisfy my ear buds.

my dream for this band is that somehow, pineda, with the help of some divine intervention, be able to learn that vocal technique perry has/had (whatever).
then myself and everyone for that matter, can be pampered (again) with that journey sound that i know neal/jon cain has been trying for a decade to recapture.
and i still hope that the next album they say they are making, be far greater than that forgettable record of a Revelation.

wishful thinking? shoot me.

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

i agree that he does justice to that catalog, but as journey fans, i think we deserve new and better music in the future right? (assuming they dont replace pineda)

wednesday's child wrote:I agree that Arnel has room to improve, and hasn't done enough about it.
Forget the accent: I'm talking about breathing, the hard terminal "T"s to his words, and slurring.
That's before we even get outside of his 'power' deliveries.
It's frustrating as heck.

we're on the same page wech.

Esc wrote:

Since 78 wrote:

Esc wrote:before anything else, im no arnel fan nor perry fan.
(dont mind my avatar, i just like to play around with photos)
although i started to become a journey music fan when pineda was hired by the band.

since then ive listened to a lot of perry clips that i can find on youtube.
and there are tons of them out there. God bless those people who posted them.
i envy a lot of you guys out there who were able to hear journey live back in the days of escape.

well i know its not fair to dissect a vocal performance through youtube, but i gotta say this:
pineda is way out of perry's league when it comes to vocal technique.
im no expert so i even dont know if that sounded correctly.

but what i meant was, although pineda can channel perry's voice, the latter seems light years away in terms of, umm, everything.
i know that comparing the two is stupid. and will be very unfair for arnel and/or might even be deemed as blasphemous to perry loons.
but maybe, just maybe, someone agrees with me here that with some top notch vocal coaching, arnel can somehow come close to how perry was back in those days.
what is frustrating for me though is that pineda just couldnt somehow hone the raw talent that he has to satisfy my ear buds.

my dream for this band is that somehow, pineda, with the help of some divine intervention, be able to learn that vocal technique perry has/had (whatever).
then myself and everyone for that matter, can be pampered (again) with that journey sound that i know neal/jon cain has been trying for a decade to recapture.
and i still hope that the next album they say they are making, be far greater than that forgettable record of a Revelation.

wishful thinking? shoot me.

Well, Arnel does do a better job that Perry on OTY, I mean that in terms of performance and not voice. As far as vocally, we should just enjoy the fact that he has the range to do justice to the Journey catalog and let it go at that.

i agree that he does justice to that catalog, but as journey fans, i think we deserve new and better music in the future right? (assuming they dont replace pineda)

I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio. Overall, is he as good as Perry? Of course not. But he's very damn good.

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

did you just say WAY more??? what.. have you been watching reruns of Friends or something?

im like SO no way man..

You've been watching "Valley Girl" again, haven't you?

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

Don't even fucking say it. Dude, come on, Jeremey is not Pineda.

Gideon wrote:
I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

Esc wrote:

but maybe, just maybe, someone agrees with me here that with some top notch vocal coaching, arnel can somehow come close to how perry was back in those days.

my dream for this band is that somehow, pineda, with the help of some divine intervention, be able to learn that vocal technique perry has/had

Dude, how much longer you think this band has on Earth? They are old and lazy. They can't last much longer, especially the time needed for Pineda to "become Steve Perry."

Rockindeano wrote:

Gideon wrote:
I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

AMEN!

StevePerry.com will up soon.

Saint John wrote:StevePerry.com will up soon.

Is that another one of those webboards you are creating

Saint John wrote:StevePerry.com will up soon.

That domain just got 1000 hits...

AlteredDNA wrote:

Saint John wrote:StevePerry.com will up soon.

That domain just got 1000 hits...

All his fans went there, eh?

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

Or they could just pay another Gap employee to lip-synch the Steve Perry vocal tracks from the studio recordings.

Voyager wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

Or they could just pay another Gap employee to lip-synch the Steve Perry vocal tracks from the studio recordings.

Ouch! Not cool man...not cool! If it weren't for S.A., we probably wouldn't be on this message board right now. Journey would only be a very distant memory!

Rockindeano wrote:

Gideon wrote:
I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

lol.... I mean, LMAO!!
I'm shaking my head....up and down!!

G.I.Jim wrote:

Voyager wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

Or they could just pay another Gap employee to lip-synch the Steve Perry vocal tracks from the studio recordings.

Ouch! Not cool man...not cool!

Oh c'mon and take a joke. They did pay a Gap employee, and he did lip-synch. Why is my bringing that up "not cool"? It happened, didn't it?

Voyager wrote:

G.I.Jim wrote:

Voyager wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Or they could have hired somebody who sounds way more like Perry and sings the songs the way they are supposed to be sung.

Or they could just pay another Gap employee to lip-synch the Steve Perry vocal tracks from the studio recordings.

Ouch! Not cool man...not cool!

Oh c'mon and take a joke. They did pay a Gap employee, and he did lip-synch. Why is my bringing that up "not cool"? It happened, didn't it?

Yes...you are right (and I was messing with you), but we probably wouldn't be here if it weren't for him. Journey had as much to do with it as he did. Just saying!

Rockindeano wrote:

Gideon wrote:
I think he does more than justice. Particularly on the shitheap that is "Open Arms", where he destroys Perry live and in the studio.

You should A) go get drug tested right now, and B) be suspended from MR for insane idiocy. No one destroys Perry in anything. Seriously, you ever see Perry live? There is no comparison between the two, on any fucking songs, period. You were probably the guy on Youtube that made the remark about "Perry never got Journey to the Super Bowl, but Arnel did in his first year."

Come on folks, Arnel is a great story and a great guy, but he is also fresh. Perry hasn't been around in 22 years and still commands this Board's fullest attention.

I agree with Gideon on this one. I heard Arnel's version of OA 7 times last year and I'd say that 5 of them were better than the doctored 81 Houston DVD version. I also think he sings Only The Young better (not a huge accolade considering Perry could never really sing this one live). He also wins When You Love A Woman by default, but that could change this year. The rest Perry wins easily.

Rockindeano wrote:

Esc wrote:

but maybe, just maybe, someone agrees with me here that with some top notch vocal coaching, arnel can somehow come close to how perry was back in those days.

my dream for this band is that somehow, pineda, with the help of some divine intervention, be able to learn that vocal technique perry has/had

Dude, how much longer you think this band has on Earth? They are old and lazy. They can't last much longer, especially the time needed for Pineda to "become Steve Perry."

thanks dude, i think i needed a slap to wake up from that daydream i had.
i guess by the time he learns some technique, he might have toasted his voice already.

Saint John wrote:

AlteredDNA wrote:

Saint John wrote:StevePerry.com will up soon.

That domain just got 1000 hits...

All his fans went there, eh?

Several times...

kidding...

check this clip out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk7zirB5eIY

this is before he went with the band on the start of the revelation tour.
he has improved a lot since then.
listen til the end of the song. dont turn it off immediately deano.

pineda to me, while mechanically singing any song, sounds great.
but when he does something off the cuff, i cringe.
it shows his limitations.