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They are currently #29 on the AC chart.

Stations Currently Spinning "Where Did I Lose Your Love"
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X025-FM >SiriusXM
WTCB-FM Columbia, SC
WHUD-FM Newburgh, NY
WLNP-FM Wilkes-Barre
WFMK-FM Lansing
WYJB-FM Albany, NY
WFPG-FM Atlantic City, N
WCRZ-FM Flint, MI
KNEV-FM Reno, NV
WRSA-FM Huntsville
KUMU-FM Honolulu
KWAV-FM Monterey-Salinas
WJKK-FM Jackson, MS
KKMY-FM Beaumont, TX
WRVF-FM Toledo

I heard rumors this might be a single....don't you think this would be the type of news the OFFICIAL Site would post as an update????

Where Did I lose Your Love has been officially released as single I believe as of this week. As Barb has already stated it is currently at the #29 spot Adult contemp. charts. You can check it out on billboard. Very weird that the band never lets anyone know these things too.

If they would have tried Turn Down The World Tonight, I think it could get some radio airplay. I love that song right from the beginning with Cain's intro.

WDILYL has become my favorite on Revelation...great song! Hopefully this song will catch on and they'll include this as a staple on their setlists this summer!

It's weird, like Revelation has a slow or long fuse. Very little got released to air play right away, but it seems like this album is kind of a sleeper. No? Just seems weird to me that a song is just now hitting the charts. Good song, but I would sure like to hear TDTWT on the radio.

I remember when Def Leppard's "Hysteria" came out. When it first came out, it kind of flopped.... and then, all the sudden, about 8 months later, the thing really started to sell and it just grew into a monster album for them.

It'd be cool if Journey had that happen to them. (As if)

I agree with many of the others, Turn Down the World Tonight should be released as a single. In my opinion it should have been released along time ago!

steveo777 wrote:It's weird, like Revelation has a slow or long fuse. Very little got released to air play right away, but it seems like this album is kind of a sleeper. No? Just seems weird to me that a song is just now hitting the charts.

They did the same thing with Frontiers and ROR with the last singles coming out almost a year after launch. The problem is the songs from Revelation aren't available from Itunes or Amazon for download. If you hear the song on the radio, you don't have easy access to it. It's not like the DJ is going to mention that is only available through Walmart.com.

For now, It looks like WYLAW will keep it's position as the last Journey song to reach the Hot 100.

Yikes. Too bad Walmart doesn't have a stipulation that the song can be released to Itunes after so many months. Kind of makes it tough on the band to sell stuff. If they were smart, they'd have an Iframe built into the Journey site that flies in the Walmart order page. Basically, it'd look like you were ordering it ON the Journey site, but you're actually doing it through Walmart.

WHY don't they do that????

Updated today, "Where Did I Lose Your Love" drops one spot to #30, 2nd week on the chart. Only 66 spins, +3 from last week. The song is only reaching an audience of about 58,000 right now.

Let's hope the band promotes this song SOMEHOW!! Maybe, at the very least, they are compiling video footage from the Japan shows for a video release. But we all know that's not enough.

brywool wrote:Yikes. Too bad Walmart doesn't have a stipulation that the song can be released to Itunes after so many months. Kind of makes it tough on the band to sell stuff. If they were smart, they'd have an Iframe built into the Journey site that flies in the Walmart order page. Basically, it'd look like you were ordering it ON the Journey site, but you're actually doing it through Walmart.

WHY don't they do that????

You can buy downloads through the Journey site.

Also, why doesn't the official site offer full songs on their "Player"? Keep them at 96kbps and no one will even TRY to "steal" the music but it will have a much stronger affaect that a coupls of :30 clips.

brywool wrote:Yikes. Too bad Walmart doesn't have a stipulation that the song can be released to Itunes after so many months. Kind of makes it tough on the band to sell stuff. If they were smart, they'd have an Iframe built into the Journey site that flies in the Walmart order page. Basically, it'd look like you were ordering it ON the Journey site, but you're actually doing it through Walmart.

WHY don't they do that????

I like how Amazon has the one click to incorporate into itunes.
Walmart was going to update their servers last year and told people if they hadn't backed up their stuff they were out of luck. Enough people complained to the point where Walmart delayed the action but still went through with it. They have said before they don't need to sell music as it's less than 10% of their business and they actually lose money on these exclusive deals (Journey, AC DC, Eagles). They just do them to get people into the store. Notice none of the artists have been offered a second go around, which means Journey will probably have to find a new distributor for their next album, which would hopefully mean they can hook up with Itunes.

Gunbot wrote:They have said before they don't need to sell music as it's less than 10% of their business and they actually lose money on these exclusive deals (Journey, AC DC, Eagles). They just do them to get people into the store. Notice none of the artists have been offered a second go around, which means Journey will probably have to find a new distributor for their next album, which would hopefully mean they can hook up with Itunes.

In all fairness, none of them are ready to do another CD. Journey could be close, but I imagine the deals are taken one at a time. I sorta doubt Journey will be back with WalMart, but I can't rule it out yet either.

jrny84 wrote:I agree with many of the others, Turn Down the World Tonight should be released as a single. In my opinion it should have been released along time ago!

Nah, if they were to release another ballad, What I Needed is a much better song, IMO. Turn Down The World Tonight has it's sappy moments.

jrnyman28 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:They have said before they don't need to sell music as it's less than 10% of their business and they actually lose money on these exclusive deals (Journey, AC DC, Eagles). They just do them to get people into the store. Notice none of the artists have been offered a second go around, which means Journey will probably have to find a new distributor for their next album, which would hopefully mean they can hook up with Itunes.

In all fairness, none of them are ready to do another CD. Journey could be close, but I imagine the deals are taken one at a time. I sorta doubt Journey will be back with WalMart, but I can't rule it out yet either.

I think once Walmart captures the attention of that artist's fans and gets them in the store, they move on to the next artist. Revelation was a lossleader, a product to get people into the store to hopefully buy enough other stuff to offset the 5 dollars per package loss Walmart incurred from the album. Garth brooks was the start of it, However now that Bruce Springsteen made a big stink about it (after he got paid of course) I think we won't see so much of it in the future. Just my opinion of course.

Gunbot wrote:

brywool wrote:Yikes. Too bad Walmart doesn't have a stipulation that the song can be released to Itunes after so many months. Kind of makes it tough on the band to sell stuff. If they were smart, they'd have an Iframe built into the Journey site that flies in the Walmart order page. Basically, it'd look like you were ordering it ON the Journey site, but you're actually doing it through Walmart.

WHY don't they do that????

I like how Amazon has the one click to incorporate into itunes.
Walmart was going to update their servers last year and told people if they hadn't backed up their stuff they were out of luck. Enough people complained to the point where Walmart delayed the action but still went through with it. They have said before they don't need to sell music as it's less than 10% of their business and they actually lose money on these exclusive deals (Journey, AC DC, Eagles). They just do them to get people into the store. Notice none of the artists have been offered a second go around, which means Journey will probably have to find a new distributor for their next album, which would hopefully mean they can hook up with Itunes.

Seems that Journey will need to reevaluate the distribution channels. The situation with Walmart, from what I understand, is that the artists retain a much higher amount of profit, as compared to a major label like Sony. On the other hand, it ties Journey's hands in many ways. It's keeping music from being released that should have been mainstream radio by now. Curse and blessing situation. The other thing I don't know is what their contractual obligations are with Walmart regarding future projects.

Always thought NS ripped himself off for this song.
Parts of the guitars remind me of 'Send Her My Love'.

And the band once talked about taking parts of old Journey to make Arrival.
Isn't this song from the Arrival sessions?


later~

Arkansas wrote:And the band once talked about taking parts of old Journey to make Arrival.
Isn't this song from the Arrival sessions?


later~

SA said they did 30 or 40 Arrival demos.
Some songs have popped upon Mickey Thomas's album, Jack Blade's album etc.
Wonder how many are still in the vault.

Arkansas wrote:Always thought NS ripped himself off for this song.
Parts of the guitars remind me of 'Send Her My Love'.

And the band once talked about taking parts of old Journey to make Arrival.
Isn't this song from the Arrival sessions?


later~

I read some place on here a couple weeks back that this song was done as a full demo with Augeri. I would bet that based on the lack of time the band had to get the full album together for WalMart, that if the truth were known, other Revelation tracks are probably Augeri-era demos as well.

WDILYL has also been playing on Sirius satellite radio for the past few weeks, but when it comes on for some reason a phrase scrolls across the screen instead of Journey and the name of the song. Will Journey ever do a music video again? I would assume it would be a concert video since they didn't seem to have much luck with their concept videos. Most people posted that they hate the video for 'Separate Ways' and I'm still getting over my mannequin phobia from 'Chain Reaction'

Gunbot wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:They have said before they don't need to sell music as it's less than 10% of their business and they actually lose money on these exclusive deals (Journey, AC DC, Eagles). They just do them to get people into the store. Notice none of the artists have been offered a second go around, which means Journey will probably have to find a new distributor for their next album, which would hopefully mean they can hook up with Itunes.

In all fairness, none of them are ready to do another CD. Journey could be close, but I imagine the deals are taken one at a time. I sorta doubt Journey will be back with WalMart, but I can't rule it out yet either.

I think once Walmart captures the attention of that artist's fans and gets them in the store, they move on to the next artist. Revelation was a lossleader, a product to get people into the store to hopefully buy enough other stuff to offset the 5 dollars per package loss Walmart incurred from the album. Garth brooks was the start of it, However now that Bruce Springsteen made a big stink about it (after he got paid of course) I think we won't see so much of it in the future. Just my opinion of course.

Where did you hear that Walmart loses $5 per package sold? That seems outrageously false to me. Besides, why would they stand to lose money when they initially thought that 250,000 printed copies was going to be enough. Seems to me that they would have approached a Miley Cyrus or some other mega-selling artist. I don't think that $5 shit is true. But I will say this...I have a co-worker who's been trying to find it for 2 weeks and can't. Tried 2 or 3 Walmarts. Seems hard to find these days. Weird.

marco17 wrote:I read some place on here a couple weeks back that this song was done as a full demo with Augeri. I would bet that based on the lack of time the band had to get the full album together for WalMart, that if the truth were known, other Revelation tracks are probably Augeri-era demos as well.

I'm pretty sure Jeremey confirmed this.

brywool wrote:I remember when Def Leppard's "Hysteria" came out. When it first came out, it kind of flopped.... and then, all the sudden, about 8 months later, the thing really started to sell and it just grew into a monster album for them.

It'd be cool if Journey had that happen to them. (As if)

It was a huge flop... The first single "Woman" failed on the charts and "Animal", "Hysteria" were moderate hits..The album was sinking slowly....Concert halls were not selling out as well...Then PSSOM was released and the album sold out of its mind....

I saw that tour in the round...great show!

Saint John wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:They have said before they don't need to sell music as it's less than 10% of their business and they actually lose money on these exclusive deals (Journey, AC DC, Eagles). They just do them to get people into the store. Notice none of the artists have been offered a second go around, which means Journey will probably have to find a new distributor for their next album, which would hopefully mean they can hook up with Itunes.

In all fairness, none of them are ready to do another CD. Journey could be close, but I imagine the deals are taken one at a time. I sorta doubt Journey will be back with WalMart, but I can't rule it out yet either.

I think once Walmart captures the attention of that artist's fans and gets them in the store, they move on to the next artist. Revelation was a lossleader, a product to get people into the store to hopefully buy enough other stuff to offset the 5 dollars per package loss Walmart incurred from the album. Garth brooks was the start of it, However now that Bruce Springsteen made a big stink about it (after he got paid of course) I think we won't see so much of it in the future. Just my opinion of course.

Where did you hear that Walmart loses $5 per package sold? That seems outrageously false to me. Besides, why would they stand to lose money when they initially thought that 250,000 printed copies was going to be enough. Seems to me that they would have approached a Miley Cyrus or some other mega-selling artist. I don't think that $5 shit is true. But I will say this...I have a co-worker who's been trying to find it for 2 weeks and can't. Tried 2 or 3 Walmarts. Seems hard to find these days. Weird.

It was a three disc package, walmart loses around two dollars per disc. Theses are known as loss leaders. They know they will lose money on them but the stratagy is the buzz and extra store traffic surrounding the release will bring in people who will end up bying other stuff wich will not only cover the loss but create profit also.
It is not sold as an impulse item. It is advertised and hyped to get you into the store and hopefully gets you to spend money on other items in the store that cost a lot more. Walmart has discussed this at length. Walmart doesn't care if it's in stock now because they already got the initial wave of fans into the store when it released. Just like they did with the Eagles and AC DC. Why would they keep pressing new ones to put in stock after the initial wave, it means nothing to them now.. They've already talked about getting out of selling music cds altogether as they don't need it. It's less than10 percent of their business.

Think about it. Lose a few bucks to make some potentially bigger bucks.

Gunbot wrote:They've already talked about getting out of selling music cds altogether as they don't need it. It's less than10 percent of their business.

Of course they would... major money loss. I said back when the package came out... you can't hardly put together a 4-panel digipak with a 2-cd set in it and have final end sale of $10 and come out with a profit much less a 6-panel with two CDs AND a DVD. Un-possible. Bait item at best. Also why the CDs are in the back of the store (usually). So that the cattle, erm... consumers get distracted by that $19.99 blender.

Rhiannon wrote:

Gunbot wrote:They've already talked about getting out of selling music cds altogether as they don't need it. It's less than10 percent of their business.

Of course they would... major money loss. I said back when the package came out... you can't hardly put together a 4-panel digipak with a 2-cd set in it and have final end sale of $10 and come out with a profit much less a 6-panel with two CDs AND a DVD. Un-possible. Bait item at best. Also why the CDs are in the back of the store (usually). So that the cattle, erm... consumers get distracted by that $19.99 blender.

So many articles on the subject,I just picked this at random.

Trail of the Real Killer
A look at the range of retail CD prices helps to establish what really killed the record stores. In an article about the demise of Tower Records, Elaine Misonzhnik observed:

"Wal-Mart, Target and Virgin Megastores (through the Amazon.com website) have been selling the recently released Christina Aguilera CD Back to Basics for $11.88. But Tower Records was selling the same CD for $17.99; F.Y.E. for $14.99; and Amarillo, Texas-based Hastings Entertainment, Inc. for $15.39."

Ah-ha! Record stores were trying to turn a profit, and simply starved to death. Dramatically cheaper albums, sold by big box retailers, killed the business model of stores hoping to stay in business selling CDs at list prices.

How can Wal-Mart and Target afford to sell CDs for a third less than CD stores? Easy: the big box retailers aren't planning to make money on CDs, but rather offer CDs as loss leaders to generate foot traffic. Music stores were trampled to death under the feet of shoppers running to Wal-Mart.

Retail Bandwagon
Other retailers have also found that selling CDs helps to attract customers and then keep them in the store longer. Misonzhnik noted that Radio Shack, 7-Eleven, and JC Penney have all added CD sales in attempts to bring in more customers.

Even Starbucks began selling CDs to encourage customers to linger, although it sells exclusive CDs which don't directly compete with albums from record stores.

By selling popular CD titles at a loss, Wal-Mart, Target, and other retailers have traded the easy profits on CDs--which formerly kept music stores in business--into store advertising and then wrote it off as a business expense.

Gunbot wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:They have said before they don't need to sell music as it's less than 10% of their business and they actually lose money on these exclusive deals (Journey, AC DC, Eagles). They just do them to get people into the store. Notice none of the artists have been offered a second go around, which means Journey will probably have to find a new distributor for their next album, which would hopefully mean they can hook up with Itunes.

In all fairness, none of them are ready to do another CD. Journey could be close, but I imagine the deals are taken one at a time. I sorta doubt Journey will be back with WalMart, but I can't rule it out yet either.

I think once Walmart captures the attention of that artist's fans and gets them in the store, they move on to the next artist. Revelation was a lossleader, a product to get people into the store to hopefully buy enough other stuff to offset the 5 dollars per package loss Walmart incurred from the album. Garth brooks was the start of it, However now that Bruce Springsteen made a big stink about it (after he got paid of course) I think we won't see so much of it in the future. Just my opinion of course.

Where did you hear that Walmart loses $5 per package sold? That seems outrageously false to me. Besides, why would they stand to lose money when they initially thought that 250,000 printed copies was going to be enough. Seems to me that they would have approached a Miley Cyrus or some other mega-selling artist. I don't think that $5 shit is true. But I will say this...I have a co-worker who's been trying to find it for 2 weeks and can't. Tried 2 or 3 Walmarts. Seems hard to find these days. Weird.

It was a three disc package, walmart loses around two dollars per disc. Theses are known as loss leaders. They know they will lose money on them but the stratagy is the buzz and extra store traffic surrounding the release will bring in people who will end up bying other stuff wich will not only cover the loss but create profit also.
It is not sold as an impulse item. It is advertised and hyped to get you into the store and hopefully gets you to spend money on other items in the store that cost a lot more. Walmart has discussed this at length. Walmart doesn't care if it's in stock now because they already got the initial wave of fans into the store when it released. Just like they did with the Eagles and AC DC. Why would they keep pressing new ones to put in stock after the initial wave, it means nothing to them now.. They've already talked about getting out of selling music cds altogether as they don't need it. It's less than10 percent of their business.

Thanks, for the explanation, GB. However, I think you're way off. These CD's didn't cost fucking squat to produce. Journey made $7 per package sold. No way it cost Walmart more than $4.88 to produce the 3 discs. Mulitply $4.88 X 250,000 (the initial amount of printed packages) and you have a budget that is more than enough to cover the 3 discs. Break it down...the re-records: Done at JC's house for free and printed for what...25 cents each? The DVD: filmed by Nocturne, a company Neal owns/owned. Done for dirt cheap. A good DVD, but nothing more. No extras...the bare minimum. Revelation Disc 1: Here's where all the money went. Quality studio time, multiple takes and you have to pay Shirley. But when it's all said and done there was at least enough in the budget to break even. No way they took a $5 bath...no fucking way. Not even close.

Gunbot wrote:

Rhiannon wrote:

Gunbot wrote:They've already talked about getting out of selling music cds altogether as they don't need it. It's less than10 percent of their business.

Of course they would... major money loss. I said back when the package came out... you can't hardly put together a 4-panel digipak with a 2-cd set in it and have final end sale of $10 and come out with a profit much less a 6-panel with two CDs AND a DVD. Un-possible. Bait item at best. Also why the CDs are in the back of the store (usually). So that the cattle, erm... consumers get distracted by that $19.99 blender.

So many articles on the subject,I just picked this at random.

Trail of the Real Killer
A look at the range of retail CD prices helps to establish what really killed the record stores. In an article about the demise of Tower Records, Elaine Misonzhnik observed:

"Wal-Mart, Target and Virgin Megastores (through the Amazon.com website) have been selling the recently released Christina Aguilera CD Back to Basics for $11.88. But Tower Records was selling the same CD for $17.99; F.Y.E. for $14.99; and Amarillo, Texas-based Hastings Entertainment, Inc. for $15.39."

Ah-ha! Record stores were trying to turn a profit, and simply starved to death. Dramatically cheaper albums, sold by big box retailers, killed the business model of stores hoping to stay in business selling CDs at list prices.

How can Wal-Mart and Target afford to sell CDs for a third less than CD stores? Easy: the big box retailers aren't planning to make money on CDs, but rather offer CDs as loss leaders to generate foot traffic. Music stores were trampled to death under the feet of shoppers running to Wal-Mart.

Retail Bandwagon
Other retailers have also found that selling CDs helps to attract customers and then keep them in the store longer. Misonzhnik noted that Radio Shack, 7-Eleven, and JC Penney have all added CD sales in attempts to bring in more customers.

Even Starbucks began selling CDs to encourage customers to linger, although it sells exclusive CDs which don't directly compete with albums from record stores.

By selling popular CD titles at a loss, Wal-Mart, Target, and other retailers have traded the easy profits on CDs--which formerly kept music stores in business--into store advertising and then wrote it off as a business expense.

I bought the CD and left. They lost money on me then, b/c I have an aversion to Wal-Mart. I never-ever go there. I even mentioned to an attorney during a slip-and-fall case that happened at Wal-Mart how much I hate them and never go there. Of course, she reminded me she represents Wal-Mart and I was being paid by her law firm. No amount of backtracking got me out of that one.

Gunbot wrote:By selling popular CD titles at a loss, Wal-Mart, Target, and other retailers have traded the easy profits on CDs--which formerly kept music stores in business--into store advertising and then wrote it off as a business expense.

That's it. Right now the big thing in disc production is "recession-proofing". I just designed an ad that's in this month's Illinois Entertainer for our company to run 1,000 CDs for $350. Completely unheard of. We're all taking a hit with the economy, so in order to stay profitable we have to practically give away things to get the "sell" and make up the difference with things like print and packaging, which between the market and the new eco-designs (I had a client request something on recycled stock with vegetable or soy based inks the other day... ) that's not exactly easy itself.

So for a major distributor incurring more expense from desktop publishing to assembly to sales floor staff to sell a product like Revelation for dirt... DIRT cheap, you know they're just using it as a promo. Even smaller artists are printing up 1 or 2 M of their own albums and tossing them about at gigs just to get fans to keep coming out and paying that cover charge.