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I stand alone....

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:58 pm
by G.I.Jim
I know a lot of you here don't care for this song, but I think it's cool as hell. It's the last song he's sung lead on, and if this is a prelude to the quality of his voice on his future releases...I can definitely live with it!

I was flipping through stuff on youtube tonight, and came across a kick-ass video of Perry discussing the song, then showing clips and a video of him in the studio. I'm sure others have seen it, but I've never seen this before and I think it kicks ass!

Anyone who think's Perry's washed-up is smoking crack. Deacon...you were talking about power and vocal/breath control...listen to one of the last notes in the song, and notice how long he holds that very powerful note...THAT's vocal control. :wink:

Hope you enjoy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde4Wy9p ... re=related

Re: I stand alone....

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:03 pm
by Monker
G.I.Jim wrote:I know a lot of you here don't care for this song, but I think it's cool as hell. It's the last song he's sung lead on, and if this is a prelude to the quality of his voice on his future releases...I can definitely live with it!

I was flipping through stuff on youtube tonight, and came across a kick-ass video of Perry discussing the song, then showing clips and a video of him in the studio. I'm sure others have seen it, but I've never seen this before and I think it kicks ass!

Anyone who think's Perry's washed-up is smoking crack. Deacon...you were talking about power and vocal/breath control...listen to one of the last notes in the song, and notice how long he holds that very powerful note...THAT's vocal control. :wink:

Hope you enjoy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde4Wy9p ... re=related


'washed up' in taking time in a studio to record an album - no.

'Washed up' in going out on any meaningful tour to support it - YES.

Re: I stand alone....

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:06 pm
by PianoMan1986
G.I.Jim wrote:I know a lot of you here don't care for this song, but I think it's cool as hell. It's the last song he's sung lead on, and if this is a prelude to the quality of his voice on his future releases...I can definitely live with it!

I was flipping through stuff on youtube tonight, and came across a kick-ass video of Perry discussing the song, then showing clips and a video of him in the studio. I'm sure others have seen it, but I've never seen this before and I think it kicks ass!

Anyone who think's Perry's washed-up is smoking crack. Deacon...you were talking about power and vocal/breath control...listen to one of the last notes in the song, and notice how long he holds that very powerful note...THAT's vocal control. :wink:

Hope you enjoy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde4Wy9p ... re=related


I think it's a great song (whether associated with a children's movie or not). I've never seen this before either -- I like the brief commentary too as well as seeing the setup of him in the studio hall surrounded by the orchestra. I'd agree with you on that last sustained note too.

Re: I stand alone....

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:15 pm
by G.I.Jim
Monker wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:I know a lot of you here don't care for this song, but I think it's cool as hell. It's the last song he's sung lead on, and if this is a prelude to the quality of his voice on his future releases...I can definitely live with it!

I was flipping through stuff on youtube tonight, and came across a kick-ass video of Perry discussing the song, then showing clips and a video of him in the studio. I'm sure others have seen it, but I've never seen this before and I think it kicks ass!

Anyone who think's Perry's washed-up is smoking crack. Deacon...you were talking about power and vocal/breath control...listen to one of the last notes in the song, and notice how long he holds that very powerful note...THAT's vocal control. :wink:

Hope you enjoy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde4Wy9p ... re=related


'washed up' in taking time in a studio to record an album - no.

'Washed up' in going out on any meaningful tour to support it - YES.


Who knows? Maybe we'll see someday. I think if he paced himself, he could pull off 40, maybe 50 shows across the country. He's had throat surgery, so for all we know...he's in better vocal shape now than he's been in a long time. I would pay 10 times the money for a ticket to see him (even at this stage) than any other singer or band on the planet, including Journey. I can guarantee that if he ever tours again, I'll be front row center (or damn close to it!). :wink:

Re: I stand alone....

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:52 pm
by alesson
G.I.Jim wrote:
Monker wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:I know a lot of you here don't care for this song, but I think it's cool as hell. It's the last song he's sung lead on, and if this is a prelude to the quality of his voice on his future releases...I can definitely live with it!

I was flipping through stuff on youtube tonight, and came across a kick-ass video of Perry discussing the song, then showing clips and a video of him in the studio. I'm sure others have seen it, but I've never seen this before and I think it kicks ass!

Anyone who think's Perry's washed-up is smoking crack. Deacon...you were talking about power and vocal/breath control...listen to one of the last notes in the song, and notice how long he holds that very powerful note...THAT's vocal control. :wink:

Hope you enjoy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde4Wy9p ... re=related


'washed up' in taking time in a studio to record an album - no.

'Washed up' in going out on any meaningful tour to support it - YES.


Who knows? Maybe we'll see someday. I think if he paced himself, he could pull off 40, maybe 50 shows across the country. He's had throat surgery, so for all we know...he's in better vocal shape now than he's been in a long time. I would pay 10 times the money for a ticket to see him (even at this stage) than any other singer or band on the planet, including Journey. I can guarantee that if he ever tours again, I'll be front row center (or damn close to it!). :wink:


Wow!! That is all the reasons why all the loons will and can never get over Steve.
Steve can record a whole lot of songs in that kind of pacing and timbre. He still definitely got it, all the souls and a lot more control.
I was just thinking, in his supposed to be new finished album that is for release sometime in the future, will there be any rockin song?
Well, I will just wait and buy the album..


:D

Re: I stand alone....

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:57 pm
by G.I.Jim
alesson wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
Monker wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:I know a lot of you here don't care for this song, but I think it's cool as hell. It's the last song he's sung lead on, and if this is a prelude to the quality of his voice on his future releases...I can definitely live with it!

I was flipping through stuff on youtube tonight, and came across a kick-ass video of Perry discussing the song, then showing clips and a video of him in the studio. I'm sure others have seen it, but I've never seen this before and I think it kicks ass!

Anyone who think's Perry's washed-up is smoking crack. Deacon...you were talking about power and vocal/breath control...listen to one of the last notes in the song, and notice how long he holds that very powerful note...THAT's vocal control. :wink:

Hope you enjoy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde4Wy9p ... re=related


'washed up' in taking time in a studio to record an album - no.

'Washed up' in going out on any meaningful tour to support it - YES.


Who knows? Maybe we'll see someday. I think if he paced himself, he could pull off 40, maybe 50 shows across the country. He's had throat surgery, so for all we know...he's in better vocal shape now than he's been in a long time. I would pay 10 times the money for a ticket to see him (even at this stage) than any other singer or band on the planet, including Journey. I can guarantee that if he ever tours again, I'll be front row center (or damn close to it!). :wink:


Wow!! That is all the reasons why all the loons will and can never get over Steve.
Steve can record a whole lot of songs in that kind of pacing and timbre. He still definitely got it, all the souls and a lot more control.
I was just thinking, in his supposed to be new finished album that is for release sometime in the future, will there be any rockin song?
Well, I will just wait and buy the album..


:D


Your guess is as good as anybody's. The dude's 60 years old though, so if all he does is ballads and mid-tempo stuf like "If He Should Break Your Heart"...so be it! I'll play the hell out of it and be happy. I just hope he releases these songs he's been working on, and I do have confidence in his vocals. If we ever hear it, I think a lot of people will be pleased.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:21 pm
by walkslikealady
Absolutely love this song!

As for SP concerts, it's not important to me 'cause I don't go to concerts.

I still vote that SP just enjoy his retirement.

Re: I stand alone....

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:23 pm
by annie89509
G.I.Jim wrote:
Monker wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:I know a lot of you here don't care for this song, but I think it's cool as hell. It's the last song he's sung lead on, and if this is a prelude to the quality of his voice on his future releases...I can definitely live with it!

I was flipping through stuff on youtube tonight, and came across a kick-ass video of Perry discussing the song, then showing clips and a video of him in the studio. I'm sure others have seen it, but I've never seen this before and I think it kicks ass!

Anyone who think's Perry's washed-up is smoking crack. Deacon...you were talking about power and vocal/breath control...listen to one of the last notes in the song, and notice how long he holds that very powerful note...THAT's vocal control. :wink:

Hope you enjoy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde4Wy9p ... re=related


'washed up' in taking time in a studio to record an album - no.

'Washed up' in going out on any meaningful tour to support it - YES.


Who knows? Maybe we'll see someday. I think if he paced himself, he could pull off 40, maybe 50 shows across the country. He's had throat surgery, so for all we know...he's in better vocal shape now than he's been in a long time. I would pay 10 times the money for a ticket to see him (even at this stage) than any other singer or band on the planet, including Journey. I can guarantee that if he ever tours again, I'll be front row center (or damn close to it!). :wink:

Amen to everything you said, Jim. I remember several years back, haven't just "discovered" SP and hearing he was in this movie, I went searching to buy this dvd. Got it home, played the video feature, sat there all ga-ga and goose-bumps heaven -- mesmerized by his singing from start to finish. Loon for life right there and then.

BTW ... I see that yt video was made by Froy, who put together many of the SP/Journey video features that have been circulating among fans for quite awhile now. I consider him a long-time fan of SP. Shame that he has turned critical against Steve. Sure comes across that way from his recent posts.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:31 pm
by artist4perry
I have always loved that clip. I have it on my favorites. It shows the strength of his matured voice, I don't care who doesn't like it, I love it! Thanks for sharing a great tune! :D

I would love to annimate a film that has his voice involved.......what a dream come true that would be.............ah, the musings of an artist............... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:46 pm
by NealIsGod
I always thought that was a fitting last song for him to record. Wish it wasn't that way, tho.

Re: I stand alone....

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:53 pm
by Monker
G.I.Jim wrote:
Monker wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:I know a lot of you here don't care for this song, but I think it's cool as hell. It's the last song he's sung lead on, and if this is a prelude to the quality of his voice on his future releases...I can definitely live with it!

I was flipping through stuff on youtube tonight, and came across a kick-ass video of Perry discussing the song, then showing clips and a video of him in the studio. I'm sure others have seen it, but I've never seen this before and I think it kicks ass!

Anyone who think's Perry's washed-up is smoking crack. Deacon...you were talking about power and vocal/breath control...listen to one of the last notes in the song, and notice how long he holds that very powerful note...THAT's vocal control. :wink:

Hope you enjoy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sde4Wy9p ... re=related


'washed up' in taking time in a studio to record an album - no.

'Washed up' in going out on any meaningful tour to support it - YES.


Who knows? Maybe we'll see someday. I think if he paced himself, he could pull off 40, maybe 50 shows across the country. He's had throat surgery, so for all we know...he's in better vocal shape now than he's been in a long time. I would pay 10 times the money for a ticket to see him (even at this stage) than any other singer or band on the planet, including Journey. I can guarantee that if he ever tours again, I'll be front row center (or damn close to it!). :wink:


If he paced himself, I don't think he could get through one 90min concert. If he went on tour, he'd cancel it half way, or cancel it before it started...Just like the last two.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:08 am
by madsplash
This is a great vocal performance. I prefer this to the very early, crystal clear SP voice. I loved that one too, but from Frontiers, ROR, FTLOSM and this song, his voice has so much more character to it. A little less top end range? Yes, but so what.

The show I saw on the FTLOSM tour, was spectacular. He did the back catalog excellently. A few of the songs were lowered a half step, but I actually liked that better.

As for speculation on the condition of his voice now and whether or not he'll be able to do a full tour to support the upcoming album, there are more than a few opinions of people who would know, that his voice is the best it's been in many years. Don't know if that means just as far as recording and sounding great, or actually in good enough shape for a lot of live stuff. Who knows? But I'd bet anything, that when something is released, there'll be at least SOME live shows.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:17 am
by Deb
madsplash wrote:This is a great vocal performance. I prefer this to the very early, crystal clear SP voice. I loved that one too, but from Frontiers, ROR, FTLOSM and this song, his voice has so much more character to it. A little less top end range? Yes, but so what.

The show I saw on the FTLOSM tour, was spectacular. He did the back catalog excellently. A few of the songs were lowered a half step, but I actually liked that better.



Couldn't agree more. Prefer his later vocals too. Can hear much more raw emotion in his delivery. Here's a great version of Stay Awhile from the FTLOSM tour NJ show. I'll take this delivery over his early high range any day! :D

http://www.yousendit.com/download/UmNLY ... WUtGa1E9PQ

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:10 am
by squirt1
All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:24 am
by NealIsGod
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:08 am
by Gideon
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:17 am
by KDOUBLEU
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:19 am
by Gideon
KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.


Well, if I remember correctly, "Quest for Camelot" was released in '98. That means he's had 11 years since then. I'm no surgeon, but do you really think it can reverse all those years of damage and neglect?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:24 am
by KDOUBLEU
Gideon wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.


Well, if I remember correctly, "Quest for Camelot" was released in '98. That means he's had 11 years since then. I'm no surgeon, but do you really think it can reverse all those years of damage and neglect?
Well there wasnt anymore years of damage after that song because he didnt sing anymore . I think now days with the new lasar surgerys it is very possible to reverse damaged chords to some extent. Im not a surgeon either but i have stayed at a Holiday Inn express. :lol:

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:25 am
by Gideon
:D

Well, here's hoping that he's got it and plans to put it to good use.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:25 am
by artist4perry
Gideon wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.


Well, if I remember correctly, "Quest for Camelot" was released in '98. That means he's had 11 years since then. I'm no surgeon, but do you really think it can reverse all those years of damage and neglect?


Giddeon I thought he did wonderful in that song. I have a copy of the movie and the track with his video and I think his voice is stellar. I just don't get where you seem to feel his voice was toast. Sounds good to me. But I guess it is a matter of oppinion. :D

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:25 am
by madsplash
Gideon wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.


Well, if I remember correctly, "Quest for Camelot" was released in '98. That means he's had 11 years since then. I'm no surgeon, but do you really think it can reverse all those years of damage and neglect?


1998 is correct. And yes, from things I've read and heard, what they can do with lasers now, can fix A LOT of vocal chord damage. I'm not sure what you mean by neglect? Do you mean just not using the voice? How would we know if he's been neglecting his voice?

I've heard his pipes are in spectacular condition and he's gonna blow us all away. I can't imagine anything sweeter for him than to tell all the critics that say his voice is gone, a big FU! :lol: That would/will be sweet.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:27 am
by Gideon
artist4perry wrote:
Gideon wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.


Well, if I remember correctly, "Quest for Camelot" was released in '98. That means he's had 11 years since then. I'm no surgeon, but do you really think it can reverse all those years of damage and neglect?


Giddeon I thought he did wonderful in that song. I have a copy of the movie and the track with his video and I think his voice is stellar. I just don't get where you seem to feel his voice was toast. Sounds good to me. But I guess it is a matter of oppinion. :D


Gideon wrote:"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity.


No one said his voice is toast.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:32 am
by artist4perry
Gideon wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Gideon wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.


Well, if I remember correctly, "Quest for Camelot" was released in '98. That means he's had 11 years since then. I'm no surgeon, but do you really think it can reverse all those years of damage and neglect?


Giddeon I thought he did wonderful in that song. I have a copy of the movie and the track with his video and I think his voice is stellar. I just don't get where you seem to feel his voice was toast. Sounds good to me. But I guess it is a matter of oppinion. :D


Gideon wrote:"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity.


No one said his voice is toast.


:oops: :oops: Beg pardon! Misread what you wrote. My bad. So correct me if I am wrong again, what did you mean by damage done? That was the last thing he did, and he sounded pretty darn good. I think he got burned out as far as emotionally and physically during the ROR tour. But I think if it were not for the hip going bad, we would have heard from him on the TBF tour......Your thoughts? :D

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:32 am
by madsplash
Gideon wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Gideon wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.


Well, if I remember correctly, "Quest for Camelot" was released in '98. That means he's had 11 years since then. I'm no surgeon, but do you really think it can reverse all those years of damage and neglect?


Giddeon I thought he did wonderful in that song. I have a copy of the movie and the track with his video and I think his voice is stellar. I just don't get where you seem to feel his voice was toast. Sounds good to me. But I guess it is a matter of oppinion. :D


Gideon wrote:"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity.


No one said his voice is toast.


No, I know YOU didn't say that, but some people have. I mean, if you judge TBF and had never heard of Steve Perry, wouldn't we all still say, "damn, who's this knew guy"? I mean judging against his past stuff is almost unfair.

Seriously, if TBF was the first you'd ever heard SP sing, what would you think?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:34 am
by Gideon
artist4perry wrote::oops: :oops: Beg pardon! Misread what you wrote. My bad. So correct me if I am wrong again, what did you mean by damage done? That was the last thing he did, and he sounded pretty darn good. I think he got burned out as far as emotionally and physically during the ROR tour. But I think if it were not for the hip going bad, we would have heard from him on the tour......Your thoughts? :D


My thoughts on whether or not we would have heard him tour with Journey?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:39 am
by madsplash
artist4perry wrote:
Gideon wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Gideon wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:
Gideon wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
squirt1 wrote:All Steve would have to do is ONE concert and have it filmed for a DVD release. I can only imagine the money that would generate.


I just heard Perry drop his cat.


:D

"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity. But that's not enough to assume that he's still sort of vocal juggernaut. A live performance from him would be much more telling.
True but if the Vocal Chord surgery rumors are true (and i believe they are) his voice should be at least as good or better than this song.


Well, if I remember correctly, "Quest for Camelot" was released in '98. That means he's had 11 years since then. I'm no surgeon, but do you really think it can reverse all those years of damage and neglect?


Giddeon I thought he did wonderful in that song. I have a copy of the movie and the track with his video and I think his voice is stellar. I just don't get where you seem to feel his voice was toast. Sounds good to me. But I guess it is a matter of oppinion. :D


Gideon wrote:"I Stand Alone" is a good song, particularly the note at the end, he demonstrates some impressive vibrato and lung capacity.


No one said his voice is toast.


:oops: :oops: Beg pardon! Misread what you wrote. My bad. So correct me if I am wrong again, what did you mean by damage done? That was the last thing he did, and he sounded pretty darn good. I think he got burned out as far as emotionally and physically during the ROR tour. But I think if it were not for the hip going bad, we would have heard from him on the tour......Your thoughts? :D


I think we would have too, but that's a major point of disagreement around here. Some think he never planned to tour, knowing he couldn't sing the old stuff anymore and used the hip thing as an excuse to get out.

I say, he had just sang the old stuff 2 years before on the FTLOSM tour. Yes, a few tunes were dropped a half step, but it was hard to tell and still sounded great until he ggot sick. No one knows for sure, but the fact that had hip surgery in 1998 tells me he wasn't "faking it". I think had they waited a little longer he would have toured, but the others wanted to jump on the success of TBF. And I get that. But if it was your leader, your friend, wouldn't you just kinda say, OK man, we'll wait on you to decide when you want to have major surgery.

The sad thing is that, I guess they all just weren't close enough anymore at that time for that to happen. That sucks, but it is what it is.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:43 am
by artist4perry
Gideon wrote:
artist4perry wrote::oops: :oops: Beg pardon! Misread what you wrote. My bad. So correct me if I am wrong again, what did you mean by damage done? That was the last thing he did, and he sounded pretty darn good. I think he got burned out as far as emotionally and physically during the ROR tour. But I think if it were not for the hip going bad, we would have heard from him on the tour......Your thoughts? :D


My thoughts on whether or not we would have heard him tour with Journey?


No, Should have made myself more clear.......sorry Giddeon, late night last night and little sleep.

What I meant was his voice to me sounded great on the TBF album as well. To me the notes were deeper but beautiful. I was wondering if you were of the mindset of some that feel unless Perry is breaking glass with his notes, or that if he has a rasp at all to his voice that (correction) his voice had suffered dammage.

I disagree with that notion. I feel that as you grow older your voice changes, but sometimes in a good way. I loved early and later Perry music. Not just because of the LOON thing, but just because I can appreciate both styles of his voice. Younger and higher, and older and deeper. :D

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:52 am
by Gideon
artist4perry wrote:No, Should have made myself more clear.......sorry Giddeon, late night last night and little sleep.

What I meant was his voice to me sounded great on the TBF album as well. To me the notes were deeper but beautiful. I was wondering if you were of the mindset of some that feel unless Perry is breaking glass with his notes, or that if he has a rasp at all to his voice that he cannot sing.

I disagree with that notion. I feel that as you grow older your voice changes, but sometimes in a good way. I loved early and later Perry music. Not just because of the LOON thing, but just because I can appreciate both styles of his voice. Younger and higher, and older and deeper. :D


Don't worry about it.

For the record, Steve Perry's finest vocal epoch was from 1983 - 1994. I don't know if I would accredit that to the infamous "rasp" or the fact that his voice sounded stronger; he could still hit some impressive high notes even at that point, but there was a more soulful, perhaps, soothing quality at that point that his Escape-era shrieks couldn't match.

Trial By Fire is, easily, my favorite album. But it was one of Perry's weaker ones. Did he sound bad? No. His skill is such that, especially in a studio album, I doubt he would ever sound "bad." But his range and power were demonstrably stunted; fortunately, I think he recognized this (though may not have admitted it) and so the whole album was laced with vocal harmonies from the rest of the band. That is to say that I felt that Steve Augeri and Arnel Pineda have both delivered far, far, far greater vocal performances than much of Perry's last outing with the band.

However, what made that album so brilliant is that it no longer was about Perry. It wasn't even about Perry and Neal Schon. It was about the band as a whole. "Still She Cries" is a powerhouse performance, but the general consensus that Jon Cain was MVP. ProgRocker has written many a thesis on how Ross Valory's bass workout steals the show on "One More." And, for example, TBF is the album where I finally believed Steve Smith's reputation as a badass drummer; before, it seemed like Neal and Perry were controlling the band as a whole, forcing Smith, Cain, and Ross to fade somewhat into the background.

Simply put, TBF was brilliant because Perry either took it upon himself or was forced to by the "limitations" of his voice to accept that he was no longer enough to "hog the spotlight." And because of it, the music matured and the band as a whole was at top level.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:55 am
by artist4perry
Gideon wrote:
artist4perry wrote:No, Should have made myself more clear.......sorry Giddeon, late night last night and little sleep.

What I meant was his voice to me sounded great on the TBF album as well. To me the notes were deeper but beautiful. I was wondering if you were of the mindset of some that feel unless Perry is breaking glass with his notes, or that if he has a rasp at all to his voice that he cannot sing.

I disagree with that notion. I feel that as you grow older your voice changes, but sometimes in a good way. I loved early and later Perry music. Not just because of the LOON thing, but just because I can appreciate both styles of his voice. Younger and higher, and older and deeper. :D


Don't worry about it.

For the record, Steve Perry's finest vocal epoch was from 1983 - 1994. I don't know if I would accredit that to the infamous "rasp" or the fact that his voice sounded stronger; he could still hit some impressive high notes even at that point, but there was a more soulful, perhaps, soothing quality at that point that his Escape-era shrieks couldn't match.

Trial By Fire is, easily, my favorite album. But it was one of Perry's weaker ones. Did he sound bad? No. His skill is such that, especially in a studio album, I doubt he would ever sound "bad." But his range and power were demonstrably stunted; fortunately, I think he recognized this (though may not have admitted it) and so the whole album was laced with vocal harmonies from the rest of the band. That is to say that I felt that Steve Augeri and Arnel Pineda have both delivered far, far, far greater vocal performances than much of Perry's last outing with the band.

However, what made that album so brilliant is that it no longer was about Perry. It wasn't even about Perry and Neal Schon. It was about the band as a whole. "Still She Cries" is a powerhouse performance, but the general consensus that Jon Cain was MVP. ProgRocker has written many a thesis on how Ross Valory's bass workout steals the show on "One More." And, for example, TBF is the album where I finally believed Steve Smith's reputation as a badass drummer; before, it seemed like Neal and Perry were controlling the band as a whole, forcing Smith, Cain, and Ross to fade somewhat into the background.

Simply put, TBF was brilliant because Perry either took it upon himself or was forced to by the "limitations" of his voice to accept that he was no longer enough to "hog the spotlight." And because of it, the music matured and the band as a whole was at top level.


Nicely put........ever thought about going into law? :D