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this 1986 album is one a lot of people tend to really like or dislike depending on who you talk to.steve smith and ross valory were both dismissed so this album has a different feel compared to past efforts.this album is much more pop oriented also.it ended up being the last album the group did before going on hiatus for almost a decade.

my favorite moments are happy to give and why can't this night go on forever.

Jesus Christ Marrs, you going to gay up the entire Forum with album discussions?

We need space for train songs, vaginas, NHL, Friga, boobs and Cutler smack.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

mikemarrs wrote:this 1986 album is one a lot of people tend to really like or dislike depending on who you talk to.steve smith and ross valory were both dismissed so this album has a different feel compared to past efforts.this album is much more pop oriented also.it ended up being the last album the group did before going on hiatus for almost a decade.

my favorite moments are happy to give and why can't this night go on forever.

Sorry, but "Happy to Give" is the gayest song Journey has ever recorded...ever, EVER!

ROR is my all time favorite Journey album. The songs were written well, the vocals were top notch, as Perry delivers on all accounts. Schon and Cain, strong as ever. A real shame about Valory and Smith not being included, for whatever reason. Stellar album, as it is.

PS,
If Happy To Give is gay, then Journey have been gay since they started out.

Monker wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:this 1986 album is one a lot of people tend to really like or dislike depending on who you talk to.steve smith and ross valory were both dismissed so this album has a different feel compared to past efforts.this album is much more pop oriented also.it ended up being the last album the group did before going on hiatus for almost a decade.

my favorite moments are happy to give and why can't this night go on forever.

Sorry, but "Happy to Give" is the gayest song Journey has ever recorded...ever, EVER!

I love that song.

Monker wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:this 1986 album is one a lot of people tend to really like or dislike depending on who you talk to.steve smith and ross valory were both dismissed so this album has a different feel compared to past efforts.this album is much more pop oriented also.it ended up being the last album the group did before going on hiatus for almost a decade.

my favorite moments are happy to give and why can't this night go on forever.

Sorry, but "Happy to Give" is the gayest song Journey has ever recorded...ever, EVER!

Color me queer then, I like the song. The vocals and harmonies are fantastic. RoR gets a bad rap, undeservedly.

Vladan wrote:ROR is my all time favorite Journey album. The songs were written well, the vocals were top notch, as Perry delivers on all accounts. Schon and Cain, strong as ever. A real shame about Valory and Smith not being included, for whatever reason. Stellar album, as it is.

Totally agree! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiUcRTqrLJM

Monker, have it give it up to the boy, the voice of reason.

Happy to Give is gayer than gay.

So frilly and puffy. Sure gresat vocals, but what you expect, it's Perry. There is a never ending `piano loop and no guitar.

Actually Monker, Butterfly was more gay, but was that really Journey? That album was diarrhea.

Vladan wrote:ROR is my all time favorite Journey album. The songs were written well

Oh come on! Guys, gals...

Valory cannot carry Randy's black assed jock strap! There is no comparison. Sue Smith is nails, and Perry soars throughout, but Neal HATES this effort. I talked to that guy for hours and hours and he told me, "you will never hear us play GCHI ever again!" He hates this CD. He smokes on BGTY, but other than that, and maybe Suzanne, where is his signature axe? Once You Love Somebody had a nice groove, but it is too poppy. this is one of the reasons Journey wasn't aken seriously by rock critics. I think it's a fine pop cd, but far from a rock cd.

Vladan wrote:ROR is my all time favorite Journey album. The songs were written well, the vocals were top notch, as Perry delivers on all accounts. Schon and Cain, strong as ever. A real shame about Valory and Smith not being included, for whatever reason. Stellar album, as it is.

ROR is pop crap and a huge step backward for Journey. A step that never recovered from

PS,
If Happy To Give is gay, then Journey have been gay since they started out.

Nice that you ended that with a smilie. If you hadn't, I'd say you are not much of a fan.

Jubilee wrote:

Monker wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:this 1986 album is one a lot of people tend to really like or dislike depending on who you talk to.steve smith and ross valory were both dismissed so this album has a different feel compared to past efforts.this album is much more pop oriented also.it ended up being the last album the group did before going on hiatus for almost a decade.

my favorite moments are happy to give and why can't this night go on forever.

Sorry, but "Happy to Give" is the gayest song Journey has ever recorded...ever, EVER!

I love that song.

If you're a girl, I can excuse it. If not, well....

Rick wrote:

Monker wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:this 1986 album is one a lot of people tend to really like or dislike depending on who you talk to.steve smith and ross valory were both dismissed so this album has a different feel compared to past efforts.this album is much more pop oriented also.it ended up being the last album the group did before going on hiatus for almost a decade.

my favorite moments are happy to give and why can't this night go on forever.

Sorry, but "Happy to Give" is the gayest song Journey has ever recorded...ever, EVER!

Color me queer then, I like the song. The vocals and harmonies are fantastic. RoR gets a bad rap, undeservedly.

Oh, yes, you're so happy, So, happy to give us a post. So, happy, happy happy...

Geez, don't drop the soap.

My favourite songs on the album are 'Be Good to Yourself' and 'I'll Be Alright Without You'. I prefer more rock from Journey, so it was a bit too pop oriented for me though I'm glad they took some chances in trying a new direction - it just went too far. In the interview they did after the Hard Rock Cafe party, it sounded like Neal had very little input on the songs - something about Jon and Steve writing the songs and Neal off riding his Harley Davidson.

Rockindeano wrote:

Vladan wrote:ROR is my all time favorite Journey album. The songs were written well

Oh come on! Guys, gals...

Valory cannot carry Randy's black assed jock strap! There is no comparison. Sue Smith is nails, and Perry soars throughout, but Neal HATES this effort. I talked to that guy for hours and hours and he told me, "you will never hear us play GCHI ever again!" He hates this CD. He smokes on BGTY, but other than that, and maybe Suzanne, where is his signature axe? Once You Love Somebody had a nice groove, but it is too poppy. this is one of the reasons Journey wasn't aken seriously by rock critics. I think it's a fine pop cd, but far from a rock cd.

Shame. That is one song I'd be curious to have heard JSS' take on. Really like It Could Have Been You too.

I really like ROR, but only due to Perry's vocals and the songwriting. WCTNGOF is Perry's best moment, imho.

Rockindeano wrote:

Vladan wrote:ROR is my all time favorite Journey album. The songs were written well

Oh come on! Guys, gals...

Valory cannot carry Randy's black assed jock strap! There is no comparison. Sue Smith is nails, and Perry soars throughout, but Neal HATES this effort. I talked to that guy for hours and hours and he told me, "you will never hear us play GCHI ever again!" He hates this CD. He smokes on BGTY, but other than that, and maybe Suzanne, where is his signature axe? Once You Love Somebody had a nice groove, but it is too poppy. this is one of the reasons Journey wasn't aken seriously by rock critics. I think it's a fine pop cd, but far from a rock cd.

I thought Neal's work of "I'll Be Alright Without You" was awesome.

Monker wrote:Nice that you ended that with a smilie. If you hadn't, I'd say you are not much of a fan.

Mate, you can say what you like. Anything less than negative from yourself Monker would be an outrage!

But true Journey fans don't listen pop do they, which makes me wonder why they bother listening to Journey anyway, they are pop at best - always have been pop/rock IMO.

Monker wrote:

Rick wrote:

Monker wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:this 1986 album is one a lot of people tend to really like or dislike depending on who you talk to.steve smith and ross valory were both dismissed so this album has a different feel compared to past efforts.this album is much more pop oriented also.it ended up being the last album the group did before going on hiatus for almost a decade.

my favorite moments are happy to give and why can't this night go on forever.

Sorry, but "Happy to Give" is the gayest song Journey has ever recorded...ever, EVER!

Color me queer then, I like the song. The vocals and harmonies are fantastic. RoR gets a bad rap, undeservedly.

Oh, yes, you're so happy, So, happy to give us a post. So, happy, happy happy...

Geez, don't drop the soap.

Gideon wrote:I really like ROR, but only due to Perry's vocals and the songwriting. WCTNGOF is Perry's best moment, imho.

The songwriting is so mediocre on ROR. There is NOTHING about it that seems remarkable to me AT ALL. It's all Jonathan with Perry's direction, with Neal throwing in a solo. NOTHING like the prior albums.

Actually, I have become more open-minded the longer I'm into this Journey fandom thing. At first, it was all about SP & his vocals so, naturally, this was my favorite J album as he was simply on fire all through the songlist. Also, the songs were catchy as hell, the other musicians, too, were at the top of their game ... making for a very satisfying listening experience.

Objectively speaking, however, this is not their best effort or signature album. That would be ESCAPE.

It's different from earlier stuff for sure, but writing wise and harmonically, ROR is Journey's most sophisticated album.

madsplash wrote:It's different from earlier stuff for sure, but writing wise and harmonically, ROR is Journey's most sophisticated album.

Completely subjective, but in my opinion? Not even close. TBF wins by miles and miles...

Gideon wrote:

madsplash wrote:It's different from earlier stuff for sure, but writing wise and harmonically, ROR is Journey's most sophisticated album.

Completely subjective, but in my opinion? Not even close. TBF wins by miles and miles...

TBF would be second, IMO. Perry was really expeirmenting on ROR. New sounds and recording methods were really starting in 85/86.
Granted, most of the harmonies on ROR were layered Perry vocals, with him singing most of the parts himself.

Monker wrote:

Jubilee wrote:

Monker wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:this 1986 album is one a lot of people tend to really like or dislike depending on who you talk to.steve smith and ross valory were both dismissed so this album has a different feel compared to past efforts.this album is much more pop oriented also.it ended up being the last album the group did before going on hiatus for almost a decade.

my favorite moments are happy to give and why can't this night go on forever.

Sorry, but "Happy to Give" is the gayest song Journey has ever recorded...ever, EVER!

I love that song.

If you're a girl, I can excuse it. If not, well....

But ... but, didn't Froy say he thought HTG was one of Journey best songs, ever? And we all know how critical Froy is.

I struggle with the album. The one I listen to the least, and, yet, it has some of my favorite songs, WCTNGOF and Happy to Give and others are really good. So what is missing? It ends up sounding dated to me. The only album that doesn't hold up. I hate some of the lead-ins to some songs, sounds like dated pop lead-ins. I'm not a musician, so I don't know how to describe what I'm trying to say. The CD doesn't have Neal's influence on it and it shows. So I just skip some songs and ignore the parts of other songs I dont like. Steve Perry has many great vocals on here, though. Like Suzanne, I'm beginning to like that song, but don't like the beginning.

I love ROR, great album, my favs...Girl can't help it..It could have been you...The eyes of a woman

The songs on this album were better live. I went to the ROR tour in Memphis Tenn. The show was fantastic, and Perry was on top of his game. (I have also seen them on the Frountiers tour)

The stage show was the most polished it had ever been. But Froutiers was great too. The album after seeing it live seemed slow. That is my only complaint.

I like the love songs. Guys I think they are more for the ladies anyway. Love songs are not "gay". I know some guys don't care for romantic songs.

The good thing is Journey has a mix of all kinds of music. Great for all who come to see them.

This is my oppinion and I was there. I love how people who have never seen them live tell me how good a show I went to, was. LOL!

It's a mixed bag, but not without its moments.

I really love the groove in "It Could Have Been You." Suzanne, I'll Be Alright Without You, Girl Can't Help It, and maybe the title track are good efforts. IBAWY is one of my all-time fave Journey songs, so the album can't be that bad with that bein on there. I don't get too excited over Why Can't This Night or Happy to Give like others do on here... WCTN is ok, HTG does nothing for me.

Gideon wrote:

madsplash wrote:It's different from earlier stuff for sure, but writing wise and harmonically, ROR is Journey's most sophisticated album.

Completely subjective, but in my opinion? Not even close. TBF wins by miles and miles...

My view is that it is actually dependent on what you are listening to the albums on. By coincidence, tonight, i listened to the major part of Escape, Frontiers and Raised on Radio in sequence. I have a $40,000 plus hi fi. I say that only to make the point that it makes shit recordings sound shit and great recordings sound great. There is no doubt Escape was a great recording, Frontiers was a dog sonically and Raised on Radio was stellar. TBF is great too, no other Journey album comes close. It is a fact that crap hifi reproduction levels the playing field. This is what the current music industry relies on.

Note - i am so wasted I'm can't focus on what I just typed don't worry about it too much

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Duncan wrote:

Gideon wrote:

madsplash wrote:It's different from earlier stuff for sure, but writing wise and harmonically, ROR is Journey's most sophisticated album.

Completely subjective, but in my opinion? Not even close. TBF wins by miles and miles...

My view is that it is actually dependent on what you are listening to the albums on. By coincidence, tonight, i listened to the major part of Escape, Frontiers and Raised on Radio in sequence. I have a $40,000 plus hi fi. I say that only to make the point that it makes shit recordings sound shit and great recordings sound great. There is no doubt Escape was a great recording, Frontiers was a dog sonically and Raised on Radio was stellar. TBF is great too, no other Journey album comes close. It is a fact that crap hifi reproduction levels the playing field. This is what the current music industry relies on.

Note - i am so wasted I'm can't focus on what I just typed don't worry about it too much

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