Album Discussion---"Arrival"

by **mikemarrs** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:20 pm

this 2001 release was the first studio album without perry and was augeri's vocal debut on an album.i didn't even know the band released this until a couple months later when a friend showed me the album and said the guy sounded just like perry.

all the way and higher place are favorites.

by **Vladan** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:25 pm

As for a stand alone, pretty good. As a Journey album, very ordinary. Your coming off after having Perry on lead vocals, it just doesn't work too well (that was the biggest problem) it was too hard to get passed that. Other than that, was alright.

by **Jana** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:39 pm

I love Arrival. I really only picked out several songs and always felt the glaring absence of Perry's amazing vocals and also couldn't get past that. But like I said on another thread about this, I had it on while I was working one day and played it several times back to back. Then I began to appreciate it all on its own and not in comparison to Perry. The music has a different feel and a lot of piano melody in it. I don't think it's too long. I love the melodies and lyrics on it, and Augeri's vocals are beautifully understated on it and it works. The album has a nice mood to it. Thumbs up.

by **stevew2** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:44 pm

I thought is was awesome, better then Generations, Revelations, and Kenelrations. Its had a new sound to it, nothing you will ever here again. Just cause Augeris voice blew out after 8 years doesnt make it a bad CD. I liked it alot.One of my favorites,even Ross was proud of it,although it didnt make any difference to the band, I liked it,and still put the Cd in all the time

by **Ehwmatt** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:46 pm

It's a great disc. Higher Place grabbed me just as much as any of the dirty dozen did when I first threw it on. Great, great song. Neal is rockin on this record too - Signs of Life has some great moments, some of my favorite Neal work. If this album had TBF-caliber production, I'd probably listen to it even more than I do now. That's my biggest knock against it. Steve sounds great on this record. I'm with Steve, it's a lot better than Generations and Revelation

by **stevew2** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:51 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:It's a great disc. Higher Place grabbed me just as much as any of the dirty dozen did when I first threw it on. Great, great song. Neal is rockin on this record too - Signs of Life has some great moments, some of my favorite Neal work. If this album had TBF-caliber production, I'd probably listen to it even more than I do now. That's my biggest knock against it. Steve sounds great on this record. I'm with Steve, it's a lot better than Generations and Revelation

Augeri still had a decent voice on the cd

by **Ehwmatt** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:53 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:It's a great disc. Higher Place grabbed me just as much as any of the dirty dozen did when I first threw it on. Great, great song. Neal is rockin on this record too - Signs of Life has some great moments, some of my favorite Neal work. If this album had TBF-caliber production, I'd probably listen to it even more than I do now. That's my biggest knock against it. Steve sounds great on this record. I'm with Steve, it's a lot better than Generations and Revelation
Augeri still had a decent voice on the cd

Very good voice, no doubt. I love his sound on most of the tunes. I think Steve's voice is buried in this mix. The guitr tone sounds off too. But it's not the worst production I've experienced, either.

by **Jana** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:55 pm

stevew2 wrote:I thought is was awesome, better then Generations, Revelations, and Kenelrations. It had a new sound to it, nothing you will ever hear again. Just cause Augeris voice blew out after 8 years doesnt make it a bad CD. I liked it alot.One of my favorites,even Ross was proud of it,although it didnt make any difference to the band, I liked it,and still put the Cd in all the time

Good points. I agree. I find many of these songs evoke more emotion than many other Journey songs with Perry. The CD has a great flow to it from song to song.

by **stevew2** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:17 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:It's a great disc. Higher Place grabbed me just as much as any of the dirty dozen did when I first threw it on. Great, great song. Neal is rockin on this record too - Signs of Life has some great moments, some of my favorite Neal work. If this album had TBF-caliber production, I'd probably listen to it even more than I do now. That's my biggest knock against it. Steve sounds great on this record. I'm with Steve, it's a lot better than Generations and Revelation
Augeri still had a decent voice on the cd

Very good voice, no doubt. I love his sound on most of the tunes. I think Steve's voice is buried in this mix. The guitr tone sounds off too. But it's not the worst production I've experienced, either.

Neal was to much in the mix, at least there wasnt Frigas plokenity ploke bullshit that he got away with in Revelation,he had full reign on that bullshit,listen to Faith in the Heartland,that Kmart alert sound he did on the the end even made the song even worse .They butcherd a good song that they did live {sort of}

by **Gideon** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:39 pm

Arrival is probably second or third on my list of favorites from Journey. Augeri sounds truly fantastic, and the melodies were top notch. "Higher Place" got me hooked into the 'new Journey' (I was once a diehard Perry fanatic). I also really get a kick out of "To Be Alive Again", "Signs of Life", "We Will Meet Again", "Nothin' Comes Close", "All the Way", "I Got a Reason", and "World Gone Wild."

But some of the songs on there were total snoozefests.

by **StoneCold** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:39 pm

Arrival is a gem for a couple reasons.

1. Augeri
2. Different sound for the band. RoR meets Frontiers
3. Very clean sounding, bass and drums not lost in the background.

Anytime you experiment with change, some highlights will pop up. A lot of the tunes sound nothing like Journey had done before.

I Got A Reason
I'm Not That Way
Kiss Me Softly
Live and Breathe (top notch)

by **StoneCold** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:53 pm

Sappy yes. Great songs though. Esp. LoD

Lifetime of Dreams

From the first day...I envisioned myself with you
It's so hard to wait...But with you it was easy to do
Somewhere in time...
I knew I would find you here with every passing moment
I see forever so clear
Part of me was lost without you
You are where I found my faith
Feels like love is here to stay...

When I look in your eyes baby
I see a lifetime of dreams come true
And I want you to say, that you feel the same way too
The stars in your eyes tell me
All my tomorrows will wait for you
You're all of my prayers answered
My one saving grace is you...

In another life...I believed that I loved you then
If lightning strikes twice, we are destined together again
We don't have to make a promise, we were always meant to be
It's written in the way you look at mel...I see

Love moves at the speed of light
Takes years to get it right
But we've got till the end of time

I can see...I can see...You and me, forever

You're the one woman that can make me stay
My one and only saving grace

I can see...I can see
You and me, forever
I can see...I can see
You and me, forever

With Your Love

On this day... To be standing here with you
There's no doubt... I know this love is true
See my tears... Only you can understand
A state of grace... I feel blessed to hold your hand
There's a room in my heart and you've unlocked a door
That no one's ever opened before

With your love I'm not alone...
In your world... I'm never far away from home
A life I thought I'd never find...
In your eyes I see all that I am with your love

On my own... I searched for something more
In your arms... The kiss I've waited for
I was lost for words... To say what's in my heart
Just to be close ... To the beauty that you are
If someone could see to the end of our lives
I know they'd find me there by your side

I've walked among the lonely...
Watching lovers come and go
Fate finds us here as one... You are salvation to my soul

With your love
With your love

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:09 pm

stevew2 wrote:Augeri still had a decent voice on the cd

I think SA sounds better on both Red 13 and Gens.
Arrival may feature a more controlled delivery, but Gens and Red 13 have him back in command of his own Tall Stories style.
By his own admission (here on MR), Augeri strained his pipes before hitting the studio for Arrival.
Compare the high tenor power voice of FITH to Higher Place.
Higher Place barely even sounds like him.

by **Vladan** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:29 pm

Well I'd be interested in reading what Monker has to say about Arrival.

by **texafana** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:32 pm

Someone should make these album threads STICKY. Just makes sense for this forum area.

by **Ehwmatt** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:42 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:It's a great disc. Higher Place grabbed me just as much as any of the dirty dozen did when I first threw it on. Great, great song. Neal is rockin on this record too - Signs of Life has some great moments, some of my favorite Neal work. If this album had TBF-caliber production, I'd probably listen to it even more than I do now. That's my biggest knock against it. Steve sounds great on this record. I'm with Steve, it's a lot better than Generations and Revelation
Augeri still had a decent voice on the cd

Very good voice, no doubt. I love his sound on most of the tunes. I think Steve's voice is buried in this mix. The guitr tone sounds off too. But it's not the worst production I've experienced, either.
Neal was to much in the mix, at least there wasnt Frigas plokenity ploke bullshit that he got away with in Revelation,he had full reign on that bullshit,listen to Faith in the Heartland,that Kmart alert sound he did on the the end even made the song even worse .They butcherd a good song that they did live {sort of}

I'm pretty sure I read an interview or two with Neal where he said his guitar sounded like a "buzz saw" on Arrival. Anyone know where I mighta read that? I don't think it was that bad really, but not his best. I think the pianos/keys sound GREAT on this record. Very crisp/clear.

by **Jana** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:23 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:It's a great disc. Higher Place grabbed me just as much as any of the dirty dozen did when I first threw it on. Great, great song. Neal is rockin on this record too - Signs of Life has some great moments, some of my favorite Neal work. If this album had TBF-caliber production, I'd probably listen to it even more than I do now. That's my biggest knock against it. Steve sounds great on this record. I'm with Steve, it's a lot better than Generations and Revelation
Augeri still had a decent voice on the cd

Very good voice, no doubt. I love his sound on most of the tunes. I think Steve's voice is buried in this mix. The guitr tone sounds off too. But it's not the worst production I've experienced, either.
Neal was to much in the mix, at least there wasnt Frigas plokenity ploke bullshit that he got away with in Revelation,he had full reign on that bullshit,listen to Faith in the Heartland,that Kmart alert sound he did on the the end even made the song even worse .They butcherd a good song that they did live {sort of}

I'm pretty sure I read an interview or two with Neal where he said his guitar sounded like a "buzz saw" on Arrival. Anyone know where I mighta read that? I don't think it was that bad really, but not his best. I think the pianos/keys sound GREAT on this record. Very crisp/clear.

That's the only criticism I have regarding Arrival. When you listen to it compared to, say, TBF, the production quality of the CD isn't as good, definitely.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:29 am

Gideon wrote:Arrival the melodies were top notch.

Something missing from TBF.

by **Glenn** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:37 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Augeri still had a decent voice on the cd

I think SA sounds better on both Red 13 and Gens.
Arrival may feature a more controlled delivery, but Gens and Red 13 have him back in command of his own Tall Stories style.
By his own admission (here on MR), Augeri strained his pipes before hitting the studio for Arrival.
Compare the high tenor power voice of FITH to Higher Place.
Higher Place barely even sounds like him.

Agreed on ALL points.

I always felt the songwriting was a bit lackluster on this one. Proving how important Perry was not just as a voice but a songwriter.

The cd, IMO, is about 4 or 5 songs to long with way to many ballads.

Augeri shines on Livin' To Do. That is one of my fav Journey tracks in any era.

World Gone Wild
To Be Alive Again
I Got A Reason
Livin To Do

are my favs, with Higher Place ranking as good but not great.

All The Way makes me want to piss razor blades

by **Red13JoePa** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:48 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Augeri still had a decent voice on the cd

I think SA sounds better on both Red 13 and Gens.

Agreed on Gens but I think he sounds about the same on Arrival and Red13...Well maybe a LITTLE better on the latter...Arrival he sounded decent but a little thin, a little hoarse...Generations vox were more robust and powerful.

by **RocknRoll** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:09 am

JSS Rocks! wrote:
The cd, IMO, is about 4 or 5 songs to long with way to many ballads.

Augeri shines on Livin' To Do. That is one of my fav Journey tracks in any era.

World Gone Wild
To Be Alive Again
I Got A Reason
Livin To Do

are my favs, with Higher Place ranking as good but not great.

All The Way makes me want to piss razor blades

My list as well except I'd put Livin' To Do 1st.

That song just really hits me. Arrival is still one of my favorite Journey CDs.

by **weatherman90** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:56 am

I listened to Arrival in its entirety for the first time while on a road trip several weeks ago. Very impressed with this one overall.

I think it parallels Trial By Fire in a lot of ways - similar song count (15/16), lots of ballads, and the first 3 songs blow you away....

Augeri's voice is simply fantastic, he puts a very earthy tone into his voice and really shines as a unique talent. I particularly enjoy the deep scream he lets out right after Neal's solo in "I Got a Reason".

Enough faster paced songs to keep things in motion...it's a great album for a long highway drive!

by **journey361** » Fri May 22, 2009 11:05 am

Have not heard a single word from this album but i bet it's better than TBF.

by **jrny84** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:20 pm

Arrival has some really great songs on it and unfortunetly It wasnt given much attention in the music industry or with the Journey fans. The major thing that hurt it was the fact that it was the first album right after Perry's departure and people really had no interest in a Perryless Journey. Columbia did nothing to help promote the album either. The album overall had some quality songs and was well produced in my opinion.

My favorites include: Signs of life, higher place, with your love, and all the way.

by **Saint John** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:23 pm

journey361 wrote:Have not heard a single word from this album but i bet it's better than TBF.

Being better than TBF is like winning a gold medal in The Special Olympics.

by **journey361** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:30 pm

Saint John do you have to agree on everything with me. LOL

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:32 pm

Saint John wrote:
journey361 wrote:Have not heard a single word from this album but i bet it's better than TBF.

Being better than TBF is like winning a gold medal in The Special Olympics.

this was.. this was just funny,, i hate it though.. theres no comeback..

by **Onestepper** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:34 pm

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Saint John wrote:
journey361 wrote:Have not heard a single word from this album but i bet it's better than TBF.

Being better than TBF is like winning a gold medal in The Special Olympics.

this was.. this was just funny,, i hate it though.. theres no comeback..

Agree, it pretty much says everything right there.

by **Don** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:37 pm

Saint John wrote:
journey361 wrote:Have not heard a single word from this album but i bet it's better than TBF.

Being better than TBF is like winning a gold medal in The Special Olympics.

...because even if you win, you're still retarded.

by **journey361** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:42 pm

Forget TBF, forget Infinity, forget any other album from JOURNEY with SP. Perry had a one in a million gift or knack and soul on intros to songs. I'm talking live, not studio. He was like no other. That's what separates him from any1.

MR

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