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Just out of curiosity. What are the totals of SP solo, versus what Journey has sold after him?

Would it be about 3 million for SP and slightly less for Journey? I don't want to start an argument, but just wondered.

Now that total is giving Journey over 1 million for Revelation, which we know can be argued and cut in half, as far as actual units moved.

Anybody have exact factual figures? Again, don't want to argue, and I am just too lazy to research it.

RIAA shows no more than 2.5 million by Perry.

To be fair, we should be talking about what they each have sold since their split up.
Journey - 1.8 million or 1.3 million depending on how you treat Revelation.
Perry - 0

Gunbot wrote:RIAA shows no more than 2.5 million by Perry.

To be fair, we should be talking about what they each have sold since their split up.
Journey - 1.8 million or 1.3 million depending on how you treat Revelation.
Perry - 0

Ouch!

Gunbot wrote:RIAA shows no more than 2.5 million by Perry.

To be fair, we should be talking about what they each have sold since their split up.
Journey - 1.8 million or 1.3 million depending on how you treat Revelation.
Perry - 0

Well, that's not really fair because SP hasn't released any new music and Journey has had several albums now. Just interested in what Perry has sold solo compared to what Neal/Jon etc.. have sold without him. I'd say it's about the same. Well 2.5-3 million is more than 1.3 or even 1.8 so I guess it's not the same.

How many has Revelation sold now? If it's 1.8, wouldn't that really be 900,00, or if it's 1.3, wouldn't that really be 650,000? Exactly how does that work?

Of course Neal and John didn't get a penny from Steve's 2.5-3 million. What was it that Neal said Steve got paid like for Revelation? Something about a mother.

madsplash wrote:

Gunbot wrote:RIAA shows no more than 2.5 million by Perry.

To be fair, we should be talking about what they each have sold since their split up.
Journey - 1.8 million or 1.3 million depending on how you treat Revelation.
Perry - 0

Well, that's not really fair because SP hasn't released any new music and Journey has had several albums now. Just interested in what Perry has sold solo compared what Neal/Jon etc.. have sold without him. I'd say it's about the same. Well 2.5-3 million is more than 1.3 or even 1.8 so I guess it's not the same.

Of course Neal and John didn't get a penny from Steve's 2.5-3 million. What was it that Neal said Steve got paid like for Revelation? Something about a mother.

IMHO the second disc of the set should have never been made in the first place, but it was and that is why IT will probably NEVER happen again

portland wrote:

madsplash wrote:

Gunbot wrote:RIAA shows no more than 2.5 million by Perry.

To be fair, we should be talking about what they each have sold since their split up.
Journey - 1.8 million or 1.3 million depending on how you treat Revelation.
Perry - 0

Well, that's not really fair because SP hasn't released any new music and Journey has had several albums now. Just interested in what Perry has sold solo compared what Neal/Jon etc.. have sold without him. I'd say it's about the same. Well 2.5-3 million is more than 1.3 or even 1.8 so I guess it's not the same.

Of course Neal and John didn't get a penny from Steve's 2.5-3 million. What was it that Neal said Steve got paid like for Revelation? Something about a mother.

IMHO the second disc of the set should have never been made in the first place, but it was and that is why IT will probably NEVER happen again

I agree, but they had no choice. Wal Mart would have never done it, knowing that without the hits, Revelation would have flopped, like the previous few Journey albums, post "The Voice", did.

GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

Well we could possibly count Disc two as a release for both Journey and Steve Perry. If Perry got over $150,000 from Royalties alone off of Disc 2, It as probably more than he recieved in Royalties from FTLOSM.

Jana wrote:GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

It was 500,000. Street Talk was 2X platinum.

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

It was 500,000. Street Talk was 2X platinum.

That's a huge drop, and he even did a tour.

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

It was 500,000. Street Talk was 2X platinum.

That's a huge drop, and he even did a tour.

It was right when Grunge was in full swing though, Talk about bad timing.

It's a bit of a shame that AP wasn't a fullfledged member when Revelation came out. The killer Royalty deal the band got from Walmart is the ony Reason the Perry made so much off of it. The next album, we're looking at what, 12-14 songs on one disc for $9.99. after just getting three discs for only two dollars more? I am a little surprised they are not packaging the Manila DVD in with the next album but they know what they are doing I guess.
One thing's for sure, it will be the first time that they are completely off the hook from paying Perry anything. Well, as long as they don't re-tread something else.

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

It was 500,000. Street Talk was 2X platinum.

That's a huge drop, and he even did a tour.

It was right when Grunge was in full swing though, Talk about bad timing.

The people who love Perry aren't buying grunge albums. Maybe not even buying Journey albums, for that matter. Even my alternative music friends look at me like I'm nuts when I talk about Journey.

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

It was 500,000. Street Talk was 2X platinum.

That's a huge drop, and he even did a tour.

It was right when Grunge was in full swing though, Talk about bad timing.

The people who love Perry aren't buying grunge albums. Maybe not even buying Journey albums, for that matter. Even my alternative music friends look at me like I'm nuts when I talk about Journey.

I get those looks too......

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

It was 500,000. Street Talk was 2X platinum.

That's a huge drop, and he even did a tour.

It was right when Grunge was in full swing though, Talk about bad timing.

The people who love Perry aren't buying grunge albums. Maybe not even buying Journey albums for that matters. My alternative music friends look at me like I'm nuts when I talk about Journey.

Well, we will have to see how the new Journey album does. If it makes Platinum as a one disc sale, Journey can feel they finally made it on their own without having Perry anywhere in the picture. That will be quite a feel good accomplishment for them.

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

It was 500,000. Street Talk was 2X platinum.

That's a huge drop, and he even did a tour.

It was right when Grunge was in full swing though, Talk about bad timing.

The people who love Perry aren't buying grunge albums. Maybe not even buying Journey albums for that matters. My alternative music friends look at me like I'm nuts when I talk about Journey.

Well, we will have to see how the new Journey album does. If it makes Platinum as a one disc sale, Journey can feel they finally made it on their own without having Perry anywhere in the picture. That will be quit feel good accomplishment for them.

Well with AP's following it may - but I don't think so

If AP has that many followers, Revelation should already be triple platinum (1.5 million packages sold) after a year out on the market. One million plokkers, and ATLEAST 500,000 regular Journey fans. Three disc set for 12 bucks, should be a no brainer.
Of course, Walmart's reluctance or inability to put out that many packages is probably killing Journey now.

I've always hoped that SP would have either put together a group or joined one sometime before or around the FTLOSM thing. At that time, he had alot left in the tank and was going through his third or fourth level of voice change that i believe would have taken off. I understand it was a different time just like now, but 20 years later it's too late and that thought is nothing but. I really wish he would have though, would have been awful interesting.

journey361 wrote:I've always hoped that SP would have either put together a group or joined one sometime before or around the FTLOSM thing. At that time, he had alot left in the tank and was going through his third or fourth level of voice change that i believe would have taken off. I understand it was a different time just like now, but 20 years later it's too late and that thought is nothing but. I really wish he would have though, would have been awful interesting.

It's never too late........

portland wrote:

journey361 wrote:I've always hoped that SP would have either put together a group or joined one sometime before or around the FTLOSM thing. At that time, he had alot left in the tank and was going through his third or fourth level of voice change that i believe would have taken off. I understand it was a different time just like now, but 20 years later it's too late and that thought is nothing but. I really wish he would have though, would have been awful interesting.

It's never too late........

Amen and SP's new cd that WILL be released will also blow Journey's cd out of the water although I'll be buying both.

Good question. Steve Perry has sold roughly 2.5 to 3 million records during his solo career. Journey has actually done quite well with selling their compilation albums well after Perry's departure. The greatest hits has sold 6 million more copies since 1998, the essential journey (released in 2001) sold 1 million units, and then Revelation sold 1 million units (Actual sales of 900,000+).

So including compilation albums (7 million sold)+ Studio albums (1 million sold)=8 million records sold since 1998 when Perry was officially released from the band.

*If you are just referring to studio albums Journey=1 million sold and Perry=2.5-3 million sold.

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:GB, what was the total for FTLOSM in '94? Because I thought it was a lot less compared to Street Talk in their heyday.

It was 500,000. Street Talk was 2X platinum.

That's a huge drop, and he even did a tour.

Half a tour...he quit during the tour.... Which I am sure surprises no one.

You cannot assume SP's comeback CD is going to be a smash hit. It may not sell as we wish because of the tough times were in now, different style music going on, e.t.c. I'm one who thinks SP can ever do no wrong. For a long time he was and is the greatest singer to ever pic up a mic. But life and the music business is so different now, totally different. Do i wish his new CD would blow the socks off of everyone on this planet, hell yes i do. Do i believe it will, for me it will, and i'll leave it at that.

madsplash wrote:Just out of curiosity. What are the totals of SP solo, versus what Journey has sold after him?

Would it be about 3 million for SP and slightly less for Journey? I don't want to start an argument, but just wondered.

Now that total is giving Journey over 1 million for Revelation, which we know can be argued and cut in half, as far as actual units moved.

Anybody have exact factual figures? Again, don't want to argue, and I am just too lazy to research it.

It's ok to be lazy...Your hero is so lazy he's done 1 tour in 23 years....

journey361 wrote:You cannot assume SP's comeback CD is going to be a smash hit. It may not sell as we wish because of the tough times were in now, different style music going on, e.t.c. I'm one who thinks SP can ever do no wrong. For a long time he was and is the greatest singer to ever pic up a mic. But life and the music business is so different now, totally different. Do i wish his new CD would blow the socks off of everyone on this planet, hell yes i do. Do i believe it will, for me it will, and i'll leave it at that.

You're right but I think there are a ton more SP fans than Journey fans and my opinion the much anticipated cd will sell more but hey I could be wrong but I do not think so.

Wrong, half a tour in 23 years, he got sick halfway through the tour and didn't reschedule anything.

jrny84 wrote:Good question. Steve Perry has sold roughly 2.5 to 3 million records during his solo career. Journey has actually done quite well with selling their compilation albums well after Perry's departure. The greatest hits has sold 6 million more copies since 1998, the essential journey (released in 2001) sold 1 million units, and then Revelation sold 1 million units (Actual sales of 900,000+).

So including compilation albums (7 million sold)+ Studio albums (1 million sold)=8 million records sold since 1998 when Perry was officially released from the band.

*If you are just referring to studio albums Journey=1 million sold and Perry=2.5-3 million sold.

My point to Madsplash's question was you can't compare Steve's solo career to Journey after Steve. Because Street Talk was in 84 when most of his albums were sold, 2.5 million solo, which was in Journey's heyday. You can't compare Steve's '84 solo album to 2000 forward with Journey without Perry. Doesn't work that way.

FTLOSM only sold 500,000, a huge drop from 10 years before and he toured for FTLOSM. So compare FTLOSM in 94 to Arrival in 2000. Better and fairer comparison.

Why Can't This Night Go On Forever

Steve's joy in seeing Street Talk meeting with immediate success, though, had been clouded by personal and family issues. His long term relationship with girlfriend Sherrie (for whom Steve's hit single was named) became troubled. Steve explained, "it's very easy to be truly in love with someone but not be able to work it out." Steve's mother, Mary, was diagnosed with a serious neurological illness and ultimately passed away on December 4th 1985. Steve recalls, "It was a very difficult year for the band alone, not to mention that the lead singer of the band was going through an awful lot of emotional bleeding and I'm just glad now that Mom's not being hurt, tortured or humiliated anymore, so that's great. I could be selfish and wish she was here, but I wouldn't want to put her through that..."

It wasn't until 1986 that Journey were to complete Raised On Radio, produced by Steve Perry. Regrettably, Steve Smith and Ross Valory left the band during the making of this record, a decision Steve later admitted probably should not have been made: "Having had those circumstances in front of me today, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't've done it. Seemed like a good idea at the time. That was one of those situations when music just dictated again, and, boy, I had to have it."

However, Raised On Radio was eventually released on April 21st 1986. The trimmed-down Journey embarked on a tour with sidemen Michael Baird and Randy Jackson driving the percussion engine, but the rifts which had appeared during the Frontiers period were still there. The group was described as "filled with talent, tension and ego" and Steve admits that he had been ambivalent about doing another Journey album: "Well, Jon called me on the phone, and said there were unfinished songs that weren't written. And, it can't be over yet, because there seems to be too much of a creative drive, and, basically, that was some of the reasoning; but mainly, my mother was very ill, as I mentioned earlier, and she could barely speak at all, and I posed it to her, I said, "I'm dumb-founded which way to go; what would you do?" And she said she'd do another Journey album, basically, and so that's why we got together and why we did a Journey album."

journey361 wrote:Why Can't This Night Go On Forever

Steve's joy in seeing Street Talk meeting with immediate success, though, had been clouded by personal and family issues. His long term relationship with girlfriend Sherrie (for whom Steve's hit single was named) became troubled. Steve explained, "it's very easy to be truly in love with someone but not be able to work it out." Steve's mother, Mary, was diagnosed with a serious neurological illness and ultimately passed away on December 4th 1985. Steve recalls, "It was a very difficult year for the band alone, not to mention that the lead singer of the band was going through an awful lot of emotional bleeding and I'm just glad now that Mom's not being hurt, tortured or humiliated anymore, so that's great. I could be selfish and wish she was here, but I wouldn't want to put her through that..."

It wasn't until 1986 that Journey were to complete Raised On Radio, produced by Steve Perry. Regrettably, Steve Smith and Ross Valory left the band during the making of this record, a decision Steve later admitted probably should not have been made: "Having had those circumstances in front of me today, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't've done it. Seemed like a good idea at the time. That was one of those situations when music just dictated again, and, boy, I had to have it."

However, Raised On Radio was eventually released on April 21st 1986. The trimmed-down Journey embarked on a tour with sidemen Michael Baird and Randy Jackson driving the percussion engine, but the rifts which had appeared during the Frontiers period were still there. The group was described as "filled with talent, tension and ego" and Steve admits that he had been ambivalent about doing another Journey album: "Well, Jon called me on the phone, and said there were unfinished songs that weren't written. And, it can't be over yet, because there seems to be too much of a creative drive, and, basically, that was some of the reasoning; but mainly, my mother was very ill, as I mentioned earlier, and she could barely speak at all, and I posed it to her, I said, "I'm dumb-founded which way to go; what would you do?" And she said she'd do another Journey album, basically, and so that's why we got together and why we did a Journey album."

WTF - I feel like I am on BHM MR style........

In the end game, you can combine all the sales of their solo works (Cain, Perry, Schon) and the Journey catalog after TBF and you can't even make a dent in the sales that Journey accomplished with those three guys together. Even Bad English sold only One million copies, despite having a number one song. Noithing Perry or Journey does in the future can ever come close to what they achieved together as a group. It has nothing to do with the musical climate either. U2, Bon Jovi, and AC/DC don't sem to have a problem in this current music Environment.
It's just that there was magic when those three guys colabrated together and that can't be replicated.