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Interesting articles on how perfectionism leads to procrastination:

http://www.structuredprocrastination.com

http://www.structuredprocrastination.co ... ionism.php

If this is the case, it would make sense as to why Steve seems to procrastinate when it comes to putting out any new material or touring:

"I'm going to get some new music out.... yeah... it's at the top of my list... yes I feel the pressure from everyone... I know how important it is to everyone... I'm going to get to it right after I get my hip fixed... and right after I get the Journey DVD produced... and right after I go to another Dodgers game... and right after I..."

I didn't see Steve Perry's name mentioned in those articles.

It's easy to procrastinate when you keep getting paid for shit you did 30 years ago.

steveo777 wrote:I didn't see Steve Perry's name mentioned in those articles.

Maybe you misread something... did I say Steve Perry was mentioned in those articles?

If you're referring to my quote below, I was just making up an imaginary Steve Perry quote.

"I'm going to get some new music out.... yeah... it's at the top of my list... yes I feel the pressure from everyone... I know how important it is to everyone... I'm going to get to it right after I get my hip fixed... and right after I get the Journey DVD produced... and right after I go to another Dodgers game... and right after I..."

Maybe, let me think about it...I'll tell you tomorrow.

walkslikealady wrote:Maybe, let me think about it...I'll tell you tomorrow.

Make sure to put it at the top of your list.

Voyager wrote:

steveo777 wrote:I didn't see Steve Perry's name mentioned in those articles.

Maybe you misread something... did I say Steve Perry was mentioned in those articles?

If you're referring to my quote below, I was just making up an imaginary Steve Perry quote.

"I'm going to get some new music out.... yeah... it's at the top of my list... yes I feel the pressure from everyone... I know how important it is to everyone... I'm going to get to it right after I get my hip fixed... and right after I get the Journey DVD produced... and right after I go to another Dodgers game... and right after I..."

Oh, ok. I thought maybe there was some breakthrough where his mental condition had been determined and we would now know why he's been working on stuff that has yet to hit the streets. (I was fucking joking, ok?)

steveo777 wrote:

Voyager wrote:

steveo777 wrote:I didn't see Steve Perry's name mentioned in those articles.

Maybe you misread something... did I say Steve Perry was mentioned in those articles?

If you're referring to my quote below, I was just making up an imaginary Steve Perry quote.

"I'm going to get some new music out.... yeah... it's at the top of my list... yes I feel the pressure from everyone... I know how important it is to everyone... I'm going to get to it right after I get my hip fixed... and right after I get the Journey DVD produced... and right after I go to another Dodgers game... and right after I..."

Oh, ok. I thought maybe there was some breakthrough where his mental condition had been determined and we would now know why he's been working on stuff that has yet to hit the streets. (I was fucking joking, ok?)

Yes, I believe it is a breakthrough. Remember that you read it here on MR first, as usual.

LOL...post reminded me of a teacher in high school. He asked if anyone could give a definition of "procrastination" and I told him "I'll tell you tomorrow".

It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Gunbot wrote:It's easy to procrastinate when you keep getting paid for shit you did 30 years ago.

I wish I could get paid for what I did 30 years ago, but there isn't any profit to be made on eating Gerber food, soiling my jammies, and saying "kit-ty!".

If there is, I want reparations!!

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Which tells me that he simply does not care about WE

Schon said that SP turned his back on his fans and frankly, the longer he procrastinates to appear, the more I believe it.

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Damn it......why won't he do what we want him to do? Does he not realize WE are not getting any younger

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

I saw Lukather on a game show recently. It was on Directv 101, something like 'Rock and a Hard Place'? Meatloaf was hosting it. It was Toto vs. Flock of Seagulls I think? Not sure who won.

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Which tells me that he simply does not care about WE

Schon said that SP turned his back on his fans and frankly, the longer he procrastinates to appear, the more I believe it.

Doesn't necessarily mean he turned his back on fans, I think. If I feel disappointed by him it's because of my own expectations...those expectations may be selfish/unrealistic of me. Do you or did you always do what your family members or employers wanted/expected you to do? Not me!

If you could retire today from a grueling/boring job, wouldn't you? When I was in my twenties, I would have loved to travel alot...sounds uncomfortable nowadays in my fifties.

portland wrote:

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Damn it......why won't he do what we want him to do? Does he not realize WE are not getting any younger

I use to look at it that way but not anymore. He went back and remastered all the discs for Sony, which gives me a better product and He produced the Houston DVD which gives me a live experience in the comfort of my own living room. The whole collection costs less than the price of a decent ticket to a Journey show. Having seen the band with and with out Perry, I can live with the trade-off.

walkslikealady wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Which tells me that he simply does not care about WE

Schon said that SP turned his back on his fans and frankly, the longer he procrastinates to appear, the more I believe it.

Doesn't necessarily mean he turned his back on fans, I think. If I feel disappointed by him it's because of my own expectations...those expectations may be selfish/unrealistic of me. Do you or did you always do what your family members or employers wanted/expected you to do? Not me!

If you could retire today from a grueling/boring job, wouldn't you? When I was in my twenties, I would have loved to travel alot...sounds uncomfortable nowadays in my fifties.

Well, if Steve was telling the truth in the VH1 Behind The Music documentary about Journey, he stated that the thought of producing music and touring crosses his mind numerous times a day. So I think it is very high on his own priority list... he just procrastinates because he of his level of perfectionism when it comes to music.

Voyager wrote:

walkslikealady wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Which tells me that he simply does not care about WE

Schon said that SP turned his back on his fans and frankly, the longer he procrastinates to appear, the more I believe it.

Doesn't necessarily mean he turned his back on fans, I think. If I feel disappointed by him it's because of my own expectations...those expectations may be selfish/unrealistic of me. Do you or did you always do what your family members or employers wanted/expected you to do? Not me!

If you could retire today from a grueling/boring job, wouldn't you? When I was in my twenties, I would have loved to travel alot...sounds uncomfortable nowadays in my fifties.

Well, if Steve was telling the truth in the VH1 Behind The Music documentary about Journey, he stated that the thought of producing music and touring crosses his mind numerous times a day. So I think it is very high on his own priority list...

Yeah, but that was what... 8 years ago? At this point you can't even hold him to remembering that he said it, much less what he said. Hell, I don't remember things I said yesterday.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Voyager wrote:

walkslikealady wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Which tells me that he simply does not care about WE

Schon said that SP turned his back on his fans and frankly, the longer he procrastinates to appear, the more I believe it.

Doesn't necessarily mean he turned his back on fans, I think. If I feel disappointed by him it's because of my own expectations...those expectations may be selfish/unrealistic of me. Do you or did you always do what your family members or employers wanted/expected you to do? Not me!

If you could retire today from a grueling/boring job, wouldn't you? When I was in my twenties, I would have loved to travel alot...sounds uncomfortable nowadays in my fifties.

Well, if Steve was telling the truth in the VH1 Behind The Music documentary about Journey, he stated that the thought of producing music and touring crosses his mind numerous times a day. So I think it is very high on his own priority list...

Yeah, but that was what... 8 years ago? At this point you can't even hold him to remembering that he said it, much less what he said. Hell, I don't remember things I said yesterday. :lol:

You were going to PayPal me that $50 you promised me.

I'm going to get that project finished... right after I post something on the MR Journey forum...

walkslikealady wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Which tells me that he simply does not care about WE

Schon said that SP turned his back on his fans and frankly, the longer he procrastinates to appear, the more I believe it.

Doesn't necessarily mean he turned his back on fans, I think. If I feel disappointed by him it's because of my own expectations...those expectations may be selfish/unrealistic of me. Do you or did you always do what your family members or employers wanted/expected you to do? Not me!

If you could retire today from a grueling/boring job, wouldn't you? When I was in my twenties, I would have loved to travel alot...sounds uncomfortable nowadays in my fifties.

Someone can be the greatest singer in the world but if they have no fan base, nobody buys their records, or attends their shows, they are not going to have very much success, especially financially. Millions of fans around the world adore Steve Perry and supported him during their Heyday. Steve would not be financially where he is without all those fans. He would probably not be able to do whatever he wants today, without his fans having supported him all thru the years.

So it would seem appropriate that Steve come out and say what's happening. A simple "I'm retired and that's it" or "I will be releasing an album". So, on that level he disappointes me, as a fan.

steveo777 wrote:

walkslikealady wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:It's hard to tell with Perry. It's not like the guy stays totally away from the music industry. He did work with Steve Lukather's son not long ago, got involved with the Glee show on Fox and so on. He is doing stuff, just not doing what WE want him to do.

Which tells me that he simply does not care about WE

Schon said that SP turned his back on his fans and frankly, the longer he procrastinates to appear, the more I believe it.

Doesn't necessarily mean he turned his back on fans, I think. If I feel disappointed by him it's because of my own expectations...those expectations may be selfish/unrealistic of me. Do you or did you always do what your family members or employers wanted/expected you to do? Not me!

If you could retire today from a grueling/boring job, wouldn't you? When I was in my twenties, I would have loved to travel alot...sounds uncomfortable nowadays in my fifties.

Someone can be the greatest singer in the world but if they have no fan base, nobody buys their records, or attends their shows, they are not going to have very much success, especially financially. Millions of fans around the world adore Steve Perry and supported him during their Heyday. Steve would not be financially where he is without all those fans. He would probably not be able to do whatever he wants today, without his fans having supported him all thru the years.

So it would seem appropriate that Steve come out and say what's happening. A simple "I'm retired and that's it" or "I will be releasing an album". So, on that level he disappointes me, as a fan.

I believe he thinks he is eventually going to do something musically, and that is why he has never said "I'm retired from music." But he has procrastinated and put it off in order to do other things instead. Time has slipped away, and it may be too late now... or at least too late to produce anything that his perfectionist mind would approve of.

A good analogy would be comparing Steve Perry to Sammy Hagar. Sammy is willing to slap together an imperfect Chickenfoot album, while Steve Perry would not be. Sammy does not deal with the high level or perfectionism that Perry does, so Sammy can have fun putting out a recorded jam session and not expect it to even chart. Perry probably wouldn't be happy if it didn't sell millions.

Gunbot wrote:Someone can be the greatest singer in the world but if they have no fan base, nobody buys their records, or attends their shows, they are not going to have very much success, especially financially. Millions of fans around the world adore Steve Perry and supported him during their Heyday. Steve would not be financially where he is without all those fans. He would probably not be able to do whatever he wants today, without his fans having supported him all thru the years.

So it would seem appropriate that Steve come out and say what's happening. A simple "I'm retired and that's it" or "I will be releasing an album". So, on that level he disappointes me, as a fan.

I look at it like this...

* I bought and paid for their records, taped, and CD's
* I bought and paid for my concert tickets and shirts and enjoyed the show

I got what I paid for. Steve or Journey doesn't "owe" me anything else...

I think an analogy might be this:

Say every Sunday you go out for breakfast, to the same restaurant... you've done so for years... and you have the same waitress, you know her by name.... you get GREAT service... she's been the waitress during that most important breakfast period of your life ( ). But one day, she's suddenly gone, and someone has replaced her.... now 20 years go buy... and you run into that waitress IN the restaurant, but she's not serving, she's eating...

...do you expect her to get up and start serving you again?

slucero wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Someone can be the greatest singer in the world but if they have no fan base, nobody buys their records, or attends their shows, they are not going to have very much success, especially financially. Millions of fans around the world adore Steve Perry and supported him during their Heyday. Steve would not be financially where he is without all those fans. He would probably not be able to do whatever he wants today, without his fans having supported him all thru the years.

So it would seem appropriate that Steve come out and say what's happening. A simple "I'm retired and that's it" or "I will be releasing an album". So, on that level he disappointes me, as a fan.

I look at it like this...

* I bought and paid for their records, taped, and CD's
* I bought and paid for my concert tickets and shirts and enjoyed the show

I got what I paid for. Steve or Journey doesn't "owe" me anything else...

I think an analogy might be this:

Say every Sunday you go out for breakfast, to the same restaurant... you've done so for years... and you have the same waitress, you know her by name.... you get GREAT service... she's been the waitress during that most important breakfast period of your life ( ). But one day, she's suddenly gone, and someone has replaced her.... now 20 years go buy... and you run into that waitress IN the restaurant, but she's not serving, she's eating...

...do you expect her to get up and start serving you again?

I didn't say that. Why is my name on that quote?

Gunbot wrote:

slucero wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Someone can be the greatest singer in the world but if they have no fan base, nobody buys their records, or attends their shows, they are not going to have very much success, especially financially. Millions of fans around the world adore Steve Perry and supported him during their Heyday. Steve would not be financially where he is without all those fans. He would probably not be able to do whatever he wants today, without his fans having supported him all thru the years.

So it would seem appropriate that Steve come out and say what's happening. A simple "I'm retired and that's it" or "I will be releasing an album". So, on that level he disappointes me, as a fan.

I look at it like this...

* I bought and paid for their records, taped, and CD's
* I bought and paid for my concert tickets and shirts and enjoyed the show

I got what I paid for. Steve or Journey doesn't "owe" me anything else...

I think an analogy might be this:

Say every Sunday you go out for breakfast, to the same restaurant... you've done so for years... and you have the same waitress, you know her by name.... you get GREAT service... she's been the waitress during that most important breakfast period of your life ( ). But one day, she's suddenly gone, and someone has replaced her.... now 20 years go buy... and you run into that waitress IN the restaurant, but she's not serving, she's eating...

...do you expect her to get up and start serving you again?

I didn't say that.

Someone needs quoting lessons.

slucero wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Someone can be the greatest singer in the world but if they have no fan base, nobody buys their records, or attends their shows, they are not going to have very much success, especially financially. Millions of fans around the world adore Steve Perry and supported him during their Heyday. Steve would not be financially where he is without all those fans. He would probably not be able to do whatever he wants today, without his fans having supported him all thru the years.

So it would seem appropriate that Steve come out and say what's happening. A simple "I'm retired and that's it" or "I will be releasing an album". So, on that level he disappointes me, as a fan.

I look at it like this...

* I bought and paid for their records, taped, and CD's
* I bought and paid for my concert tickets and shirts and enjoyed the show

I got what I paid for. Steve or Journey doesn't "owe" me anything else...

I think an analogy might be this:

Say every Sunday you go out for breakfast, to the same restaurant... you've done so for years... and you have the same waitress, you know her by name.... you get GREAT service... she's been the waitress during that most important breakfast period of your life ( ). But one day, she's suddenly gone, and someone has replaced her.... now 20 years go buy... and you run into that waitress IN the restaurant, but she's not serving, she's eating...

...do you expect her to get up and start serving you again?

That is a completely different argument IMO. If Perry came out and said he was retired, I wouldn't expect anything from him - but he hasn't. I am pointing out the fact that Perry said himself that he is thinks about recording new music multiple times a day and never does. That is called procrastination, not retirement.

Shoot me, please. Put me out of my misery. Another thread turned into a Perry not recording or touring discussion. I don't care anymore.

www.steveperryrocks.com
or www.steveperry.ning.com

Your choice, which one do you want?

Oh... I thought this was a post about "Black TShirtitus".

I'm trying to organize a telethon to help people with Black Tshirtitus. Maybe you're not aware, but this debilitating disease has very rich people wearing cheap looking black tshirts wherever they go. Simon Cowel, Steve Perry, and rich guys going to Ozzfest all suffer from this horrible disease.

This disease makes people social outcasts and screams "loser" to everyone that knows these very wealthy people.

YOU can help. Just send a check or money order to:

STOP BlackTshirtitus
Box 350
Boston, Mass.
02134

You CAN help these people rejoin and become productive members of society. Do the right thing, won't you?

Gunbot wrote:www.Steveperryrocks.com
or www.steveperry.ning.com

Your choice, which one do you want?

You're funny. Not.