MR

There are several of these "duets" on youtube that people have put together.

I know it's not really a competition, because it's not really fair to AP to do that to him and he does a great job, but SP's voice here is almost unhuman. The embellishment at the end by SP is just ridiculous. Again, Arnel does as good of a job as anyone can be expected to do, but this isn't a fair competition.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQ29OlN ... re=related

I can't get the link to work.

Snowblind wrote:I can't get the link to work.

I reposted it. It loads slowly but it works. I think the link has a glitch, but it works. Try it again.

I think YT is just very slow loading today. I've had problems with other videos.

Debbie

While I don't believe any singer can touch most of those songs the way Perry did them in his prime, I would never have put the Chile concert up there for the comparison. It was Arnel's first concert after being hired, and on a few of the songs in that concert he was flat from nerves and not his best performance on a lot of the songs. It should be the Revelation DVD DSB, b/c he was fantastic on that. Not Steve Perry, but still fantastic. And it was just his second concert with them.

Rocker Chic wrote:I think YT is just very slow loading today. I've had problems with other videos.

Debbie

I think your AV quote should say, 'Bormann Rocks'....

That version of DSB form Tokyo is Perfect note for note. That concert was performed a week before MTV went on the air and Sony gave Viacom the video ten days later. It's an unfair comparison, Arnel can't touch it, no matter what version you put up against it.
When is there going to be comparisons of SP/ Deen? He is singing a lot of the fan favorites now and should be considered just as much a lead vocalist as AP is.

Actually, in this particular comparison Steve P comes out a little too soft voiced, while Arnel is really strong sounding. And yes, Arnel sounds ALOT better currently.

Gunbot wrote:That version of DSB form Tokyo is Perfect note for note. That concert was performed a week before MTV went on the air and Sony gave Viacom the video ten days later. It's an unfair comparison, Arnel can't touch it, no matter what version you put up against it.
When is there going to be comparisons of SP/ Deen? He is singing a lot of the fan favorites now and should be considered just as much a lead vocalist as AP is.

A couple songs a concert is not the lead vocalist, Gunbot. Much as you want to make something out of it. It's much like Richie singing a couple songs with Bon Jovi. I'm glad they're doing it. I love Mother Father with Deen and Still They Ride and feel those songs are his, not Arnel's. I love his vocals on those songs.

texafana wrote:Actually, in this particular comparison Steve P comes out a little too soft voiced, while Arnel is really strong sounding. And yes, Arnel sounds ALOT better currently.

I think Steve nails it.
Now, almost 30 years later, we are getting people saying how SP's voice is too velvety and lacks the power of AP's. That didn't stop millions of people from buying the albums though so it must not have been that much of a bother.
Has anyone tossed their original Greatest hits CD in favor of the Revelation two disc because of this purported lack of vocal power?

I gotta say, I hate when people do this shit.

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:That version of DSB form Tokyo is Perfect note for note. That concert was performed a week before MTV went on the air and Sony gave Viacom the video ten days later. It's an unfair comparison, Arnel can't touch it, no matter what version you put up against it.
When is there going to be comparisons of SP/ Deen? He is singing a lot of the fan favorites now and should be considered just as much a lead vocalist as AP is.

A couple songs a concert is not the lead vocalist, Gunbot. Much as you want to make something out of it. It's much like Richie singing a couple songs with Bon Jovi. I'm glad they're doing it. I love Mother Father with Deen and Still They Ride and feel those songs are his, not Arnel's. I love his vocals on those songs.

After the fall, Keep on running, and more to come. How many songs does Deen have to sing before he gets credit as a lead vocalist?

Can we please put a moratorium on vocal/lead singer comparisons? I mean, really. Haven't we beat this horse enough already?

StocktontoMalone wrote:Can we please put a moratorium on vocal/lead singer comparisons? I mean, really. Haven't we beat this horse enough already?

Until AP actualy helps write a top 10 hit, these comparisons are nothing more than magic mic karaoke where we put scores at the end of the performance.

What I Needed, Where did I lose your love. Those are the songs AP should be measured by and in my opinion , he knocks those out of the park live.

texafana wrote:Actually, in this particular comparison Steve P comes out a little too soft voiced, while Arnel is really strong sounding. And yes, Arnel sounds ALOT better currently.

soft-voiced? Perry's soaring vocals were effortless and just powerful enough to me, and not forced sounding reaching those notes. IMHO.

Gunbot wrote:That version of DSB form Tokyo is Perfect note for note. That concert was performed a week before MTV went on the air and Sony gave Viacom the video ten days later. It's an unfair comparison, Arnel can't touch it, no matter what version you put up against it.
When is there going to be comparisons of SP/ Deen? He is singing a lot of the fan favorites now and should be considered just as much a lead vocalist as AP is.

Good to see you GB......

portland wrote:

Gunbot wrote:That version of DSB form Tokyo is Perfect note for note. That concert was performed a week before MTV went on the air and Sony gave Viacom the video ten days later. It's an unfair comparison, Arnel can't touch it, no matter what version you put up against it.
When is there going to be comparisons of SP/ Deen? He is singing a lot of the fan favorites now and should be considered just as much a lead vocalist as AP is.

Good to see you GB......

He's been busy plokking over at Arnel's site.

Jana wrote:

portland wrote:

Gunbot wrote:That version of DSB form Tokyo is Perfect note for note. That concert was performed a week before MTV went on the air and Sony gave Viacom the video ten days later. It's an unfair comparison, Arnel can't touch it, no matter what version you put up against it.
When is there going to be comparisons of SP/ Deen? He is singing a lot of the fan favorites now and should be considered just as much a lead vocalist as AP is.

Good to see you GB......

He's been busy plokking over at Arnel's site.

I've been keeping them straight on their IDOL warship and revisionist history but I'm back for now.

Gunbot wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Can we please put a moratorium on vocal/lead singer comparisons? I mean, really. Haven't we beat this horse enough already?

Until AP actualy helps write a top 10 hit, these comparisons are nothing more than magic mic karaoke where we put scores at the end of the performance.

What I Needed, Where did I lose your love. Those are the songs AP should be measured by and in my opinion , he knocks those out of the park live.

I don't even care if AP helps pen a top 10 hit. The comparison crap is just that, crap. I don't need to hear him or anyone else side by side to Perry to draw conclusions about quality, range, skill and talent.

Onestepper wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Can we please put a moratorium on vocal/lead singer comparisons? I mean, really. Haven't we beat this horse enough already?

Until AP actualy helps write a top 10 hit, these comparisons are nothing more than magic mic karaoke where we put scores at the end of the performance.

What I Needed, Where did I lose your love. Those are the songs AP should be measured by and in my opinion , he knocks those out of the park live.

I don't even care if AP helps pen a top 10 hit. The comparison crap is just that, crap. I don't need to hear him or anyone else side by side to Perry to draw conclusions about quality, range, skill and talent.

That's why I mentioned the new material from Revelation. Those songs are what I judge Arnel by. just like I judged Steve Augeri on his own material. I don't care if Arnel sounds better on 'MARY HAD A LITLE LAMB". I want to hear new material, not comparisons with songs I bought 20 years ago.

PEACE!

Gunbot wrote:

Onestepper wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Can we please put a moratorium on vocal/lead singer comparisons? I mean, really. Haven't we beat this horse enough already?

Until AP actualy helps write a top 10 hit, these comparisons are nothing more than magic mic karaoke where we put scores at the end of the performance.

What I Needed, Where did I lose your love. Those are the songs AP should be measured by and in my opinion , he knocks those out of the park live.

I don't even care if AP helps pen a top 10 hit. The comparison crap is just that, crap. I don't need to hear him or anyone else side by side to Perry to draw conclusions about quality, range, skill and talent.

That's why I mentioned the new material from Revelation. Those songs are what I judge Arnel by. just like I judged Steve Augeri on his own material. I don't care if Arnel sounds better on 'MARY HAD A LITLE LAMB". I want to hear new material, not comparisons with songs I bought 20 years ago.

PEACE!

Yeah, but come on, wouldn't we all wanna hear Perry do 'Mary...'

Gunbot wrote:I've been keeping them straight on their IDOL warship and revisionist history but I'm back for now.

What a pansy-ass warship that must be, with soldiers like Clay, Adam and Justin.

Just who is captaining this warship?

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:I've been keeping them straight on their IDOL warship and revisionist history but I'm back for now.

What a pansy-ass warship that must be, with soldiers like Clay, Adam and Justin.

Just who is captaining this warship?

I couldn't find a Photo of Jana, so this will have to do.



PEACE!

Ok, how about these?

OTY 86 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrJYoxie-U8


OTY 08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv9QMMfmPLU

Gunbot wrote:
After the fall, Keep on running, and more to come. How many songs does Deen have to sing before he gets credit as a lead vocalist?

Add Still They Ride. Deen's voice is killer!

Arnel is singing stepped down on the shows now, how can we do comparisons under those conditions unless we compare against a 45 year SP on his solo tour?

Gunbot wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:I've been keeping them straight on their IDOL warship and revisionist history but I'm back for now.

What a pansy-ass warship that must be, with soldiers like Clay, Adam and Justin.

Just who is captaining this warship?

I couldn't find a Photo of Jana, so this will have to do.



PEACE!

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:I've been keeping them straight on their IDOL warship and revisionist history but I'm back for now.

What a pansy-ass warship that must be, with soldiers like Clay, Adam and Justin.

Just who is captaining this warship?

I couldn't find a Photo of Jana, so this will have to do.



PEACE!

I've missed you.

Gunbot wrote:

Jana wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:I've been keeping them straight on their IDOL warship and revisionist history but I'm back for now.

What a pansy-ass warship that must be, with soldiers like Clay, Adam and Justin.

Just who is captaining this warship?

I couldn't find a Photo of Jana, so this will have to do.



PEACE!

I've missed your always on-point comments, which always turn out to be right.

Thanks.

Gunbot wrote:

texafana wrote:Actually, in this particular comparison Steve P comes out a little too soft voiced, while Arnel is really strong sounding. And yes, Arnel sounds ALOT better currently.

I think Steve nails it.
Now, almost 30 years later, we are getting people saying how SP's voice is too velvety and lacks the power of AP's. That didn't stop millions of people from buying the albums though so it must not have been that much of a bother.
Has anyone tossed their original Greatest hits CD in favor of the Revelation two disc because of this purported lack of vocal power?

I realize you fulfill the role of Perry's champion against the rising tide of Plokkers, but let's be fair here: Texafana wasn't comparing Perry in his prime to Arnel, he was comparing Perry of late to Arnel.

Loons, SPoons, or whatever else they call themselves seem to have trouble drawing that rather obvious distinction. And therein is where Texafana has a point: Arnel pretty much kicks the [insert your word of choice here] out of modern Perry as we know it.

Of course, as I write this, I predict a backlash of people not being able to read or comprehend the difference, and more Perry worship will be espoused, which only encourages me to write more.

Such a vicious cycle.