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Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Very people will disagree with you.

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Good idea! They should record the new re-recorded versions and package them with the new upcoming CD.

Since 78 wrote:

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Good idea! They should record the new re-recorded versions and package them with the new upcoming CD.

Steve Perry agrees with you. Mo money, mo money. THough the DSB arrangement isn't new. The 2001 Las Vegas DVD has the same version.

Since 78 wrote:

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Good idea! They should record the new re-recorded versions and package them with the new upcoming CD.

Gunbot wrote:

Since 78 wrote:

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Good idea! They should record the new re-recorded versions and package them with the new upcoming CD.

Steve Perry agrees with you. Mo money, mo money. THough the DSB arrangement isn't new. The 2001 Las Vegas DVD has the same version.

Yep, Kinda like welfare for lazy singers.

Since 78 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Since 78 wrote:

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Good idea! They should record the new re-recorded versions and package them with the new upcoming CD.

Steve Perry agrees with you. Mo money, mo money. THough the DSB arrangement isn't new. The 2001 Las Vegas DVD has the same version.

Yep, Kinda like welfare for lazy singers.

You don't believe that song writers should receive compensation for there work being used over and over and over and over again?

Gunbot wrote:

Since 78 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Since 78 wrote:

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Good idea! They should record the new re-recorded versions and package them with the new upcoming CD.

Steve Perry agrees with you. Mo money, mo money. THough the DSB arrangement isn't new. The 2001 Las Vegas DVD has the same version.

Yep, Kinda like welfare for lazy singers.

You don't believe that song writers should receive compensation for there work being used over and over and over and over again?

I'm thinking it over.

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Most likely because the live re-arrangements didn't exist yet.
What few changes do exist on the re-records are from how the band had been playing the songs live.
Including Neal's extended outro of WCN.
Remember, the band had a deadline to meet with the Revelation package.
Kevin Shirley put a million dollar polish on Disc 1, while Disc 2 was slapped together in Cain's garage.
Now that the Arnel-lineup is firmly established and doing well, the band saw it fit to update the dirty dozen.
At the outset, however, I think they just used Disc 2 to fulfill a contractual obligation and prove Arnel could deliver.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Most likely because the live re-arrangements didn't exist yet.
What few changes do exist on the re-records are from how the band had been playing the songs live.
Including Neal's extended outro of WCN.
Remember, the band had a deadline to meet with the Revelation package.
Kevin Shirley put a million dollar polish on Disc 1, while Disc 2 was slapped together in Cain's garage.
Now that the Arnel-lineup is firmly established and doing well, the band saw it fit to update the dirty dozen.
At the outset, however, I think they just used Disc 2 to fulfill a contractual obligation and prove Arnel could deliver.

Indeed.

I, for one, would have enjoyed a recording of "Ask the Lonely." The way they close it live is much better than the studio version, with the duet between Cain and Schon at the end.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

Most likely because the live re-arrangements didn't exist yet.
What few changes do exist on the re-records are from how the band had been playing the songs live.
Including Neal's extended outro of WCN.
Remember, the band had a deadline to meet with the Revelation package.
Kevin Shirley put a million dollar polish on Disc 1, while Disc 2 was slapped together in Cain's garage.
Now that the Arnel-lineup is firmly established and doing well, the band saw it fit to update the dirty dozen.
At the outset, however, I think they just used Disc 2 to fulfill a contractual obligation and prove Arnel could deliver.

Good point.....its too bad though, because I like every single added/changed nuance they're doing.

I agree that disc 2 was done to help showcase Arnel's voice and to prove he had the chops for the job.

I think most of the modifications that we are now hearing around the world were most likely arranged during their extensive rehearsals in Manila. It seems most were played first at the Manila concert.

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

What does it matter??....the only reason they put those rerecords there in the first place, was to chart higher....

it was all a fucking sham from the get go.

They could have recorded 12 different versions of Mary had a little lamb (not SRV, but the nursery rhyme) and named them old journey songs, and the effect would have been no different....

steveo777 wrote:I agree that disc 2 was done to help showcase Arnel's voice and to prove he had the chops for the job.

I think most of the modifications that we are now hearing around the world were most likely arranged during their extensive rehearsals in Manila. It seems most were played first at the Manila concert.

Disk 2 did end up showcasing him on the classics. But that was not the initial reason for the re-records. The deal was in place b/f Arnel was ever hired. That was the deal Wal-Mart wanted. Wal-Mart wanted hits re-recorded and Neal and Jon were going to add three songs to it. Once they hired Arnel, they said they were inspired and wanted to do a full set of songs. That's how it came to be two disks.

strangegrey wrote: What does it matter??.....

It matters to me because it really freshens up the songs....the Separate Ways one in particular. Wheel in the Sky at the end really is something too.

strangegrey wrote:

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

What does it matter??....the only reason they put those rerecords there in the first place, was to chart higher....

it was all a fucking sham from the get go.

They could have recorded 12 different versions of Mary had a little lamb (not SRV, but the nursery rhyme) and named them old journey songs, and the effect would have been no different....

It's a Shamwow!

Seriously, WTF dude? Grab your tinfoil hat....everything is a sham.

steveo777 wrote:It's a Shamwow!

Seriously, WTF dude? Grab your tinfoil hat....everything is a sham.

LOL. Whatever.

The retreads served it's purpose. It turned a sub-platinum album into a platinum one. If only the band could get away with this cheap trick each time they release an album.....

...they could recapture another 2% of the greatness they had when perry was in the group....

Eric wrote:Why didn't they do the new versions of some of the songs.....like SW, AWYWI....would have been nice to have them and would have showed more of a reason to re-record them

If you change the arrangement too much, you risk not being able to fool a casual listener into thinking they are the originals.

please no more re-records........

ScarabGator wrote:please no more re-records........

+1

Angel wrote:

ScarabGator wrote:please no more re-records........

+1

Could not agree more!

portland wrote:

Angel wrote:

ScarabGator wrote:please no more re-records........

+1

Could not agree more!

You can't stop it. It's going to happen. Deal with it. Ok, lemme explain. Everytime there is a latest DVD of a concert there are going to be classics in it, so there will always be re-records.

Memo to management: Stop fucking around with the new shit, and get cracking on some 70s shows on DVD....I mean, c'mon....haven't we waited long enough?

steveo777 wrote:

portland wrote:

Angel wrote:

ScarabGator wrote:please no more re-records........

+1

Could not agree more!

You can't stop it. It's going to happen. Deal with it. Ok, lemme explain. Everytime there is a latest DVD of a concert there are going to be classics in it, so there will always be re-records.

I was referring to another whole CD of re-records....not a DVD

The re-records were free and I like most of them. 2 I think are better than the originals...Open Arms and Only The Young. And Separate Ways certainly has a bigger, tougher vocal.

portland wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

portland wrote:

Angel wrote:

ScarabGator wrote:please no more re-records........

+1

Could not agree more!

You can't stop it. It's going to happen. Deal with it. Ok, lemme explain. Everytime there is a latest DVD of a concert there are going to be classics in it, so there will always be re-records.

I was referring to another whole CD of re-records....not a DVD

Lighten up, you. I know what you meant and I said what I did in jest. Please check your sarcasm meter.