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Why is that they do not play these songs in concert now???

Neal apparently despises GCHI but IBAWY's been in and out of the setlist a bunch of times since '98.

Why does Neal despise GCHI? Has Journey played Ill be alright without you lately?

Red13JoePa wrote:Neal apparently despises GCHI but IBAWY's been in and out of the setlist a bunch of times since '98.

To Bad, Id like to hear GCHI. Hey Neal!

BTW Welcome Chris! And watch out for the "Loons"

Since they are not playing in Phoenix this year I am making the trip to Tucson where there is no opening act. It will be interesting to see how long they play that night. There isn't many venues they are playing where they are by themselves. I would like to see Night Ranger though.

chrisj1970 wrote:Why is that they do not play these songs in concert now???

Pity - thats 2 of the best right there esp. GCHI

Could be the nature of the concerts they've been playing lately. They need something that rocks a whole lot harder than IBAWY (my personal favorite) and GCHI for these shows.

And, Welcome! Don't mind the loons, they're harmless ...mostly.

Jubilee wrote:Could be the nature of the concerts they've been playing lately. They need something that rocks a whole lot harder than IBAWY (my personal favorite) and GCHI for these shows.

And, Welcome! Don't mind the loons, they're harmless ...mostly.

Open Arms seems to be dodging the setlist ax, while WDILYL and WIN have been removed. Who knows why they do what they do.

I LOVE I'll Be Allright Without You and GCHI is pretty good too. I've heard both plenty of times from Frontiers, never from Journey (I would sure love to see Neal play that IBAWY solo once in person...). Not too big a fan of Deen on IBAWY, though, and he's the one who usually ends up singing it...

both tracks are instantly forgetable...there to make up the tracks on an album..............but there again tracks that don't register with the majority some may like. Let's for example say Sing for the Day by Styx.....never really given the light of day until a few years back when they re-introduced it to their set list....you wouldn't have that track high on your agenda as far as concert tracks go but it worked. IMHO those Journey tracks are just too crap though...lightweight

Ehwmatt wrote:I LOVE I'll Be Allright Without You and GCHI is pretty good too. I've heard both plenty of times from Frontiers, never from Journey (I would sure love to see Neal play that IBAWY solo once in person...). Not too big a fan of Deen on IBAWY, though, and he's the one who usually ends up singing it...

See, I Think the sound of those along with Suzanne fit Arnel's voice a lot better than Deen's. Perry was not only developing grit at that point but also a hint of baritone. Deen just stays on the upper atmosphere with no oomph at all when he sings. WITS or Good Morning Girl/ Stay Awhile are the songs I can see Deen really doing a good job on.

chrisj1970 wrote:Why does Neal despise GCHI?

It isn't a good representation of Journey

Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

chrisj1970 wrote:Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

Ahh, if only I had my old sig! Anyway, Neal likes to Rock and he thinks those songs are Girly.

Gunbot wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:I LOVE I'll Be Allright Without You and GCHI is pretty good too. I've heard both plenty of times from Frontiers, never from Journey (I would sure love to see Neal play that IBAWY solo once in person...). Not too big a fan of Deen on IBAWY, though, and he's the one who usually ends up singing it...

See, I Think the sound of those along with Suzanne fit Arnel's voice a lot better than Deen's. Perry was not only developing grit at that point but also a hint of baritone. Deen just stays on the upper atmosphere with no oomph at all when he sings. WITS or Good Morning Girl/ Stay Awhile are the songs I can see Deen really doing a good job on.

Suzanne is one of my favs...can we just leave it alone....(sorry I know LOON!)

chrisj1970 wrote:Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

It's a pop song.

My son, who was born in 1980 grew up with us listening to ROR in my boat. He always loved that album and to this day has the cd and listens to it. I wonder how many of the kids that were born in the 80s would really appreciate hearing more ROR songs live?

Eric wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why does Neal despise GCHI?

It isn't a good representation of Journey

It's no worse than that country song they put on Revelation.

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why does Neal despise GCHI?

It isn't a good representation of Journey

It's no worse than that country song they put on Revelation.

The one Kenny Rogers is buying rights to so he can sing it during a comeback tour?

Actually, Kenny has a lot of gigs scheduled this summer. I can already smell corndogs and elephant ears.

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why does Neal despise GCHI?

It isn't a good representation of Journey

It's no worse than that country song they put on Revelation.

The one Kenny Rogers is buying rights to so he can sing it during a comeback tour?

Cain should have had his daughter do a duet with some other country crooner with that song. I bet it will do better on the charts once it's promoted in the right genre.

Cain's written for outside artists before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKXOc-O0 ... re=related

Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why does Neal despise GCHI?

It isn't a good representation of Journey

It's no worse than that country song they put on Revelation.

The one Kenny Rogers is buying rights to so he can sing it during a comeback tour?

Cain should have had his daughter do a duet with some other country crooner with that song. I bet it will do better on the charts once it's promoted in the right genre.

Yep. I saw Kenny slip Friga a twenty.

Jana wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

It's a pop song.

And the rest of the Journey canon is what... thrash metal?

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why does Neal despise GCHI?

It isn't a good representation of Journey

It's no worse than that country song they put on Revelation.

The one Kenny Rogers is buying rights to so he can sing it during a comeback tour?

Cain should have had his daughter do a duet with some other country crooner with that song. I bet it will do better on the charts once it's promoted in the right genre.

Yep. I saw Kenny slip Friga a twenty.

That would be Friga slipping Kenny the twenty for putting the original song idea into his head to begin with.

Since 78 wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

Ahh, if only I had my old sig! Anyway, Neal likes to Rock and he thinks those songs are Girly.

Probably about the size of it. Shame, too because the whole album has some of Neal's best and most diverse work.
My feel is perry the producer challenged him and though it likely chafed his taint like a cayenne pepper in the nether region of his drawers, he REALLY responded.

Red13JoePa wrote:

Since 78 wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

Ahh, if only I had my old sig! Anyway, Neal likes to Rock and he thinks those songs are Girly.

Probably about the size of it. Shame, too because the whole album has some of Neal's best and most diverse work.
My feel is perry the producer challenged him and though it likely chafed his taint like a cayenne pepper in the nether region of his drawers, he REALLY responded.

But then Neal would be admitting that Perry was right......and that would be soooo painful!

portland wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:

Since 78 wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

Ahh, if only I had my old sig! Anyway, Neal likes to Rock and he thinks those songs are Girly.

Probably about the size of it. Shame, too because the whole album has some of Neal's best and most diverse work.
My feel is perry the producer challenged him and though it likely chafed his taint like a cayenne pepper in the nether region of his drawers, he REALLY responded.

But then Neal would be admitting that Perry was right......and that would be soooo painful!

He wasn't right, , and he wasn't wrong. Differences of opinion. Neal is a rocker. That album was very pop. Many longtime fans don't care for ROR, many, many, even here on MR. I love many songs on it, but some not, and just not a favorite album for me. And I believe it would have sold more if it had rocked a little more. To me, it would have been better if it was a little less poppy and Neal had been more involved in the direction of that album. Love so many of the songs but hate some of the bass and keyboard on it, could have had more of a soft rock sound instead of pop to go with the songs.

Agreed about the bass Jana, Ross was SORELY missed on the ROR record.
Bass was too bumpy, loud, conspicuous.
I do Like Larrie Londin's hard-hitting power drumming, though. More like Deen than Steve Smith.
But overall LOVE that album (though GREAT to finally here Be Good To Yourself with the right Journey bass, VALORY'S, on Revelation.)

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why does Neal despise GCHI?

It isn't a good representation of Journey

It's no worse than that country song they put on Revelation.

The one Kenny Rogers is buying rights to so he can sing it during a comeback tour?

Cain should have had his daughter do a duet with some other country crooner with that song. I bet it will do better on the charts once it's promoted in the right genre.

Yep. I saw Kenny slip Friga a twenty.

Are you sure he didnt slip him this??

Red13JoePa wrote:Agreed about the bass Jana, Ross was SORELY missed on the ROR record.
Bass was too bumpy, loud, conspicuous.
I do Like Larrie Londin's hard-hitting power drumming, though. More like Deen than Steve Smith.
But overall LOVE that album (though GREAT to finally here Be Good To Yourself with the right Journey bass, VALORY'S, on Revelation.)

I like the up front bass on the RoR BGTYS... especially during Neal's famous outro.

It's unabashedly 80s sounding, but it makes for a nice change of pace here and there. I wouldn't want every album having that kinda sound. Another example: Dream Theater's "breakthrough" album, Images and Words, is famous (infamous maybe) for its triggered snare drum sound - giving that 1992 album an instantly "dated" sound and offending drum purists. But, I've always liked the triggered snare on that album, even though it undoubtedly dates the album... it's just part of the sound that I've gotten used to for those songs. But I'm glad it's not the sound they use every album.

Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:

chrisj1970 wrote:Why does Neal despise GCHI?

It isn't a good representation of Journey

It's no worse than that country song they put on Revelation.

The one Kenny Rogers is buying rights to so he can sing it during a comeback tour?

Cain should have had his daughter do a duet with some other country crooner with that song. I bet it will do better on the charts once it's promoted in the right genre.

Cain's written for outside artists before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKXOc-O0 ... re=related

Cain has written more songs for other artist than he has for Journey. At least one song was in fact written for Kenny Rogers (Full Circle).

He has so much material out there.

I don't think AATY has any resemblence to a country song. It is a sentimental song as a lot of songs Cain has written Faithfully, Open Arms, WCTNGOF, and many many more. Why pick on him for this? What should he be writing about?

"Faded knuckle bruises from when I beat the shit out of my wife."

Doesn't sound like a hit to me.