OT: Props to President Clinton!

[Barb]

Nicely done, Sir.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

[steveo777]

Way to go Bill! That's awsome.

Kim Jong Il must think that any guy that enjoys BJs can't be all bad.

[Voyager]

Kim Jong has a weakness for USA celebrities. If you sent Britney Spears over there she could talk him into doing anything.

[portland]

Yes....it's nice to have some good news

[Hollywood]

Way to go Bill! That's awsome.

Kim Jong Il must think that any guy that enjoys BJs can't be all bad.

And you know some guy that doesn't?
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[bluejeangirl76]

Nicely done, Sir.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

Absolutely. Bill is the man.

Stupid term limits!!

[treetopovskaya]

that's really good news. }:C))

[Arkansas]

Way to go Bill! That's awsome.

Kim Jong Il must think that any guy that enjoys BJs can't be all bad.

Bill went back to Monica and got two. One more for him and he took the other to N.Korea.


later~

[Voyager]

Bill Clinton should be elected president of North Korea.

[slucero]

Lets wait and see just how much this costs us (I mean the the U.S., oh wait, that IS us..)

The last time we "settled" with North Korea on Clinton's watch it cost 4.1 Billion dollars... and the promise (from NK) that they wouldn't build nukes...

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Lets wait and see just how much this costs us (I mean the the U.S., oh wait, that IS us..)

The last time something we "settled" with North Korea on Clinton's watch it cost 4.1 Billion dollars...

Well said , there more behind this .

[Barb]

Lets wait and see just how much this costs us (I mean the the U.S., oh wait, that IS us..)

The last time we "settled" with North Korea on Clinton's watch it cost 4.1 Billion dollars... and the promise (from NK) that they wouldn't build nukes...

Probably true, but I'm really happy for those 2 women to be getting out of that hell hole.

[stevew2]

Clintons got balls {in more ways than one} Way to go Bill

[mikemarrs]

bill clinton....one of the best presidents ever.

[stevew2]

bill clinton....one of the best presidents ever.

Damn straight, no wars,good economy,balanced budget,poor bastard will be remember more for jizzen in the White House

[Jana]

bill clinton....one of the best presidents ever.

Damn straight, no wars,good economy,balanced budget,

+500,000

[Eric]

[EightyRock]

Clinton had to do what Obama would have never been able to do. Obama is too wet behind the ears for the kind of skilled diplomacy Clinton pulls off. Dude is a charismatic manipulator of the first order. Score one for Slick Willy!

[mikemarrs]

The White House today described Bill Clinton's surprise visit to North Korea as a "solely private" effort to secure the release of two captive American journalists. But the real story behind the trip very likely goes back to the public diplomacy that then-president Clinton was conducting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Il nearly 10 years ago, during Clinton's final months in office.

At the time, the United States and North were tantalizingly close to a deal to stop all North Korean missile exports, and for Pyongyang to cease development, testing, and deployment of missiles. In exchange, the North would get full diplomatic recognition, billions in aid from Washington and Tokyo, and, above all, a visit to Pyongyang by the U.S. president. That's according to an account of the talks given to me by Wendy Sherman, a former senior aide to secretary of state Madeleine Albright, and other officials.

Sherman and other North Korea specialists say Kim was plainly eager for the Clinton visit, which would have given his regime the stamp of legitimacy and a guarantee of security the North Korean leader has long sought. At a secret meeting in Washington in October 2000 between Clinton and Marshal Cho Myong Rok, who was second only to Kim in North Korea, Cho had delivered Kim's personal invitation to the president to visit Pyongyang. Albright's historic visit to Pyongyang a week later was an attempt to secure a deal that would justify such a presidential visit. While in North Korea, the secretary appeared with Kim at a stadium spectacle, during which a mass of performers flipped colored placards that together depicted Kim's Taepodong I missile taking off for its first test in 1998. According to Sherman, who was there, an ebullient and apparently hopeful Kim turned to Albright and said, "That was the first launch of that missile, and it will be the last."


The moment marked a high point for diplomacy between the two countries, a culmination of spotty talks that had been going on since 1994, when Clinton came to an Agreed Framework deal with Pyongyang. Under that 1994 pact, Clinton obtained a commitment to freeze plutonium reprocessing in exchange for aid and a civilian nuclear plant. Notably, that agreement began with a visit by former president Jimmy Carter, which was also described by the White House at the time as private.

But the Clinton-Kim missile talks foundered over Pyongyang's demands that smaller Nodong missiles, used as a deterrent against South Korea and Japan, be fully exempted from the missile moratorium, and Clinton grew otherwise occupied with a final effort at Mideast peace (which also failed). The Clinton visit to Pyongyang never happened, and several months later Kim Jong Il discovered that the new U.S. president, George W. Bush, had very different ideas about relations with him. Bush abruptly cut off all diplomacy and made clear that he had no intention of legitimizing Kim's regime by talking with it. In 2002, during a private diatribe to Republican senators, Bush called Kim a hateful "pygmy" who behaved like "a spoiled child at a dinner table." The remarks and other personal cracks by Bush were reported later in NEWSWEEK and other Western publications.

Since then, relations between Washington and Pyongyang have been ugly at best, and locked in a grim standoff. In 2006 and 2007, the two sides came close to a deal to halt the North's nuclear program, but the talks were derailed again by Pyongyang's refusal to disclose full details about its bomb-building and nuclear-fuel efforts. The tensions have culminated in recent months in a second nuclear test and a series of missile firings by the North, along with the arrest of the two American journalists, Laura Ling and Euna Lee, who were sentenced in June to 12 years of hard labor.

Neither the White House nor the State Department is saying anything about Clinton's visit this week to free them. The Obama administration, in response to the North Korean nuclear test, has marshaled new sanctions against Pyongyang at the United Nations, and there is evidence that the ailing Kim Jong Il has been taking a harder line toward Washington, perhaps to shore up the credentials of his son and putative successor.

But the Clinton visit still marks a big moment for Kim. It's the sort of recognition he's been eager to have for more than a decade. Bill Clinton has been all but absent from the news since Barack Obama took office and his wife, Hillary, became America's top diplomat. The former president will finally have his crack at dealmaking in Pyongyang.

[conversationpc]

Good for Bill!

[Peartree12249]

Lets wait and see just how much this costs us (I mean the the U.S., oh wait, that IS us..)

The last time we "settled" with North Korea on Clinton's watch it cost 4.1 Billion dollars... and the promise (from NK) that they wouldn't build nukes...

Kudos to President Clinton. I'm very glad for the two woman and their families. What a relief it must be for them. However, I have to agree with you that Kim Jong did not release these women out of the kindness of his heart or because he was charmed into by Bill Clinton. He wanted something from the US and I'm sure he got what he wanted. Don't you find it interesting that just a few days before our hostages in Korea were released, Iran picks up a couple more. Hmmmmm? Wonder what getting them back is going to cost us?

[Voyager]

Photos from the flight home:

[Rockindeano]

Lets wait and see just how much this costs us (I mean the the U.S., oh wait, that IS us..)

The last time we "settled" with North Korea on Clinton's watch it cost 4.1 Billion dollars... and the promise (from NK) that they wouldn't build nukes...

Kudos to President Clinton. I'm very glad for the two woman and their families. What a relief it must be for them. However, I have to agree with you that Kim Jong did not release these women out of the kindness of his heart or because he was charmed into by Bill Clinton. He wanted something from the US and I'm sure he got what he wanted. Don't you find it interesting that just a few days before our hostages in Korea were released, Iran picks up a couple more. Hmmmmm? Wonder what getting them back is going to cost us?

Who gives a shit? Those two souls doing slave labour and probably dying in that shithole country for hiking 3 meters inside NK's border is reprehensible. That is the State's job, The US' responsibility is to get them freed. They did it. We'll never know the cost. Props to the administration, and for the record, had W accomplished this with say James Baker III, I would also applaud it. This is one of those bi-partisan deals where we should all be happy, yet a few straggly assholes have popped up their collective domes in this thread questioning the feat. Unfuckingbelievable.

I am just surprised Obama sent Bill, and tha Hillary didn't go. She is after all the Secretary of State. this might prove that Kim Dong Ill wanted a political rock star over there, to be seen with a huge name, and perhaps Hillary isn't quite there yet, as Bill is. They should reroute Bill over to Iran and have him get those hikers out of there as well, and let all of them have an orgy on the way home. Bill deserves a menage trois if you ask me.

[Rockindeano]

Fuck that is art right there! Hot.

[Ehwmatt]

They shoulda sent Walt Kowalski to deal with the porn king Kim Jong Il that fuckin piece of shit:

[Ehwmatt]

Lets wait and see just how much this costs us (I mean the the U.S., oh wait, that IS us..)

The last time we "settled" with North Korea on Clinton's watch it cost 4.1 Billion dollars... and the promise (from NK) that they wouldn't build nukes...

Kudos to President Clinton. I'm very glad for the two woman and their families. What a relief it must be for them. However, I have to agree with you that Kim Jong did not release these women out of the kindness of his heart or because he was charmed into by Bill Clinton. He wanted something from the US and I'm sure he got what he wanted. Don't you find it interesting that just a few days before our hostages in Korea were released, Iran picks up a couple more. Hmmmmm? Wonder what getting them back is going to cost us?

Who gives a shit? Those two souls doing slave labour and probably dying in that shithole country for hiking 3 meters inside NK's border is reprehensible. That is the State's job, The US' responsibility is to get them freed. They did it. We'll never know the cost. Props to the administration, and for the record, had W accomplished this with say James Baker III, I would also applaud it. This is one of those bi-partisan deals where we should all be happy, yet a few straggly assholes have popped up their collective domes in this thread questioning the feat. Unfuckingbelievable.

I am just surprised Obama sent Bill, and tha Hillary didn't go. She is after all the Secretary of State. this might prove that Kim Dong Ill wanted a political rock star over there, to be seen with a huge name, and perhaps Hillary isn't quite there yet, as Bill is. They should reroute Bill over to Iran and have him get those hikers out of there as well, and let all of them have an orgy on the way home. Bill deserves a menage trois if you ask me.

Bill probably just had to give the porn king Kim Jong Il some porn he didn't have yet... you know Bill's gotta have quite a cache at his disposal.

[KDOUBLEU]

Lets wait and see just how much this costs us (I mean the the U.S., oh wait, that IS us..)

The last time we "settled" with North Korea on Clinton's watch it cost 4.1 Billion dollars... and the promise (from NK) that they wouldn't build nukes...

Kudos to President Clinton. I'm very glad for the two woman and their families. What a relief it must be for them. However, I have to agree with you that Kim Jong did not release these women out of the kindness of his heart or because he was charmed into by Bill Clinton. He wanted something from the US and I'm sure he got what he wanted. Don't you find it interesting that just a few days before our hostages in Korea were released, Iran picks up a couple more. Hmmmmm? Wonder what getting them back is going to cost us?

Who gives a shit? Those two souls doing slave labour and probably dying in that shithole country for hiking 3 meters inside NK's border is reprehensible. That is the State's job, The US' responsibility is to get them freed. They did it. We'll never know the cost. Props to the administration, and for the record, had W accomplished this with say James Baker III, I would also applaud it. This is one of those bi-partisan deals where we should all be happy, yet a few straggly assholes have popped up their collective domes in this thread questioning the feat. Unfuckingbelievable.

I am just surprised Obama sent Bill, and tha Hillary didn't go. She is after all the Secretary of State. this might prove that Kim Dong Ill wanted a political rock star over there, to be seen with a huge name, and perhaps Hillary isn't quite there yet, as Bill is. They should reroute Bill over to Iran and have him get those hikers out of there as well, and let all of them have an orgy on the way home. Bill deserves a menage trois if you ask me.

Bill probably just had to give the porn king Kim Jong Il some porn he didn't have yet... you know Bill's gotta have quite a cache at his disposal.

[Peartree12249]

Lets wait and see just how much this costs us (I mean the the U.S., oh wait, that IS us..)

The last time we "settled" with North Korea on Clinton's watch it cost 4.1 Billion dollars... and the promise (from NK) that they wouldn't build nukes...

Kudos to President Clinton. I'm very glad for the two woman and their families. What a relief it must be for them. However, I have to agree with you that Kim Jong did not release these women out of the kindness of his heart or because he was charmed into by Bill Clinton. He wanted something from the US and I'm sure he got what he wanted. Don't you find it interesting that just a few days before our hostages in Korea were released, Iran picks up a couple more. Hmmmmm? Wonder what getting them back is going to cost us?

Who gives a shit? Those two souls doing slave labour and probably dying in that shithole country for hiking 3 meters inside NK's border is reprehensible. That is the State's job, The US' responsibility is to get them freed. They did it. We'll never know the cost. Props to the administration, and for the record, had W accomplished this with say James Baker III, I would also applaud it. This is one of those bi-partisan deals where we should all be happy, yet a few straggly assholes have popped up their collective domes in this thread questioning the feat. Unfuckingbelievable.

I am just surprised Obama sent Bill, and tha Hillary didn't go. She is after all the Secretary of State. this might prove that Kim Dong Ill wanted a political rock star over there, to be seen with a huge name, and perhaps Hillary isn't quite there yet, as Bill is. They should reroute Bill over to Iran and have him get those hikers out of there as well, and let all of them have an orgy on the way home. Bill deserves a menage trois if you ask me.

First I'm not a straggly asshole dickhead. Second I voted for Clinton twice. Third I have no complaint that the administration got those woman free. Read my post. Instead of wetting your pant's because you think someone may be attacking your precious Obama administration ask yourself what kind of game Korea is playing. Korea has succeeded in making two US administrations look stupid, Clinton & Bush. They are using those nukes as barginning chips. Holding the proverbial gun to the world's head until they get what ever the hell it is they want. Iran has taken a page from the same book. My point had you bothered to read it, is that I doubt that Bill Clinton did it based on his personal charm and chrisma.

[Rockindeano]

First I'm not a straggly asshole dickhead. Second I voted for Clinton twice. Third I have no complaint that the administration got those woman free. Read my post. Instead of wetting your pant's because you think someone may be attacking your precious Obama administration ask yourself what kind of game Korea is playing. Korea has succeeded in making two US administrations look stupid, Clinton & Bush. They are using those nukes as barginning chips. Holding the proverbial gun to the world's head until they get what ever the hell it is they want. Iran has taken a page from the same book. My point had you bothered to read it, is that I doubt that Bill Clinton did it based on his personal charm and chrisma.

Oh shut your piehole Bitch. I didn't name you now did I?

I was referring to some others completely different than you, but you take the cake.

Now kindly go fuck yourself.

[Peartree12249]

First I'm not a straggly asshole dickhead. Second I voted for Clinton twice. Third I have no complaint that the administration got those woman free. Read my post. Instead of wetting your pant's because you think someone may be attacking your precious Obama administration ask yourself what kind of game Korea is playing. Korea has succeeded in making two US administrations look stupid, Clinton & Bush. They are using those nukes as barginning chips. Holding the proverbial gun to the world's head until they get what ever the hell it is they want. Iran has taken a page from the same book. My point had you bothered to read it, is that I doubt that Bill Clinton did it based on his personal charm and chrisma.

Oh shut your piehole Bitch. I didn't name you now did I?

I was referring to some others completely different than you, but you take the cake.

Now kindly go fuck yourself.

Ohhhhhhhh Your act is getting tired Deano.