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There were many who say "Why doesn't Journey just JAM OUT, and play a setlist for the older, true fans?" Or "Screw the dirty dozen, they should play songs from the past era's and new era.."

Well, this is why, and it was said before. You think a band wants to hear this shit from the audience?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6xRw52GAeE&NR=1

God that's fucking hilarious. Buncha drunk idiots coming out of the woodwork.

Was that Deano?

Holy Shit.

That song is even WORSE live.

It disgraced my ears.

I heard many of the same kinds of comments at two of the three 30th Anniversary (Gens Tour) shows I went too. The only one of course where the crowd was into all from beginning to end was in the Bay Area. In Sacramento, to my dissapointment, there was a large contingent that only wanted the dirty dozen. "Play something we know" was the continual shout by a small group of particularly obnoxious college types behind my wife and I. It is ashame in my opinion because aside from lip-gate, this was really the Journey tour I had waited my life for. And personally, I enjoyed every single minute.

You could hear it from those people all show long! Annoying pricks. They also yelled out "Play Journey" during the show.

Deacon wrote:Holy Shit.

That song is even WORSE live.

It disgraced my ears.

Definately not a favorite of mine either, but the people are shouting and screaming before the even hear the song.

This what happens to a band when they crossover from being big to being huge. When you are huge you bring in a large contingent of the casual fan. This kills a bands live creativty.

It is really a shame too. I love to go see a band do something really creative even if at the end of the show I think they missed the mark.

King's X is my favorite band and one of the joys of seeing them on every tour is that it is different. They always play most of the current record if not all and always pull out deep cuts from the older stuff. It is amazing that after 15 albums it is rare that someone asks for a song that they cannot play it. The sad part is that they only play small theaters and clubs and struggle to make a living.

it is possible.
just bill the gig as a jam session, or whatever to "warn" casual fans that they wont be hearing the "usual" Journey.

SF-Dano wrote:I heard many of the same kinds of comments at two of the three 30th Anniversary (Gens Tour) shows I went too. The only one of course where the crowd was into all from beginning to end was in the Bay Area. In Sacramento, to my dissapointment, there was a large contingent that only wanted the dirty dozen. "Play something we know" was the continual shout by a small group of particularly obnoxious college types behind my wife and I. It is ashame in my opinion because aside from lip-gate, this was really the Journey tour I had waited my life for. And personally, I enjoyed every single minute.

I heard similar comments too. This was the one tour (30th Anniversary -- in Milwaukee) that I splurged for the VIP tickets and by luck of the draw managed to get 4th throw center. I rocked out and stood the whole time being a die-hard, but it was awkward looking back behind me and seeing a half-dead crowd. Aside from lip-gate, I look at it as the band doing what they had to do to get by. I'm not saying I agree with their approach then, but I still follow them today despite many people disagreeing with them and voicing it proudly.

PianoMan1986 wrote:

SF-Dano wrote:I heard many of the same kinds of comments at two of the three 30th Anniversary (Gens Tour) shows I went too. The only one of course where the crowd was into all from beginning to end was in the Bay Area. In Sacramento, to my dissapointment, there was a large contingent that only wanted the dirty dozen. "Play something we know" was the continual shout by a small group of particularly obnoxious college types behind my wife and I. It is ashame in my opinion because aside from lip-gate, this was really the Journey tour I had waited my life for. And personally, I enjoyed every single minute.

I heard similar comments too. This was the one tour (30th Anniversary -- in Milwaukee) that I splurged for the VIP tickets and by luck of the draw managed to get 4th throw center. I rocked out and stood the whole time being a die-hard, but it was awkward looking back behind me and seeing a half-dead crowd. Aside from lip-gate, I look at it as the band doing what they had to do to get by. I'm not saying I agree with their approach then, but I still follow them today despite many people disagreeing with them and voicing it proudly.

I agree. IMO, they had to do what they did, at least on that tour (maybe not on some shows on other tours). The 30th Anniversary tour was about alot more than the Gens album or Augeri. For me it was about reliving points of a carreer of a brilliant band and group of musicians. I never thought I would have gotten to hear any pre-perry Journey in concert. That was my chance. Rare Perry/Rolie era tracks also. It was well worth it to me. And yes I am still a strong fan of this band today also.

Journey was a rock band at one time, and that's what their fans want. Not some pissed out song like that.

I think Neal gets it, I KNOW Deen gets it, and I'll bet Ross gets it, but Cain and Augeri, obviously not.

Rick wrote::lol:

Journey was a rock band at one time, and that's what their fans want. Not some pissed out song like that.

I think Neal gets it, I KNOW Deen gets it, and I'll bet Ross gets it, but Cain and Augeri, obviously not.

I agree. This song was a little over six minutes, and a song that doesn't have much energy. So to play a six-minute song like that in concert doesn't make sense. Plus, Augeri was off-key a lot or flat, not his best. I like this song well enough to listen to at home or in the car, but in concert at 3:30 minutes I would be ready for it to be over.

So too long for a low-key song in concert: Final Answer.

What a load of horse shit. This shows you that Journey doesn't really have a connected, true fanbase. They have shallow listeners, who are content with the same old shit night after night. There is plenty of blame to go around here, one being Butterfly is a terrible excuse for a song, and 2, if the band had better mid/deep cut songs, people wouldn't clamour for the fucking dozen hits every night. You can't tell me a true musician wants to play the same crap every night. You can't tell me Schon is content belting out the same fucking chords to AWYWI, DSB and WITS nightly- how boring. This shows that they don't give a shit about the "legacy" and they don't really consider themselves a serious band at this time. To abandon deep cuts in favor of the same shit nightly to me screams sell outs. Screw those shallow wine spritzer fans wanting to "play(hear) something good." A real fan understands what a real musician does, and that is challenge himself with new stuff to keep it fresh. I for one don't understand how many of you here can remain fans of a band that plays the same exact set list they played 10 years ago. Just bewildering.

Rockindeano wrote:What a load of horse shit. This shows you that Journey doesn't really have a connected, true fanbase. They have shallow listeners, who are content with the same old shit night after night. There is plenty of blame to go around here, one being Butterfly is a terrible excuse for a song, and 2, if the band had better mid/deep cut songs, people wouldn't clamour for the fucking dozen hits every night. You can't tell me a true musician wants to play the same crap every night. You can't tell me Schon is content belting out the same fucking chords to AWYWI, DSB and WITS nightly- how boring. This shows that they don't give a shit about the "legacy" and they don't really consider themselves a serious band at this time. To abandon deep cuts in favor of the same shit nightly to me screams sell outs. Screw those shallow wine spritzer fans wanting to "play(hear) something good." A real fan understands what a real musician does, and that is challenge himself with new stuff to keep it fresh. I for one don't understand how many of you here can remain fans of a band that plays the same exact set list they played 10 years ago. Just bewildering.

If that were the criteria, we'd all only have about 3 bands to listen to.

Rockindeano wrote:What a load of horse shit. This shows you that Journey doesn't really have a connected, true fanbase. They have shallow listeners, who are content with the same old shit night after night. There is plenty of blame to go around here, one being Butterfly is a terrible excuse for a song, and 2, if the band had better mid/deep cut songs, people wouldn't clamour for the fucking dozen hits every night. You can't tell me a true musician wants to play the same crap every night. You can't tell me Schon is content belting out the same fucking chords to AWYWI, DSB and WITS nightly- how boring. This shows that they don't give a shit about the "legacy" and they don't really consider themselves a serious band at this time. To abandon deep cuts in favor of the same shit nightly to me screams sell outs. Screw those shallow wine spritzer fans wanting to "play(hear) something good." A real fan understands what a real musician does, and that is challenge himself with new stuff to keep it fresh. I for one don't understand how many of you here can remain fans of a band that plays the same exact set list they played 10 years ago. Just bewildering.

They played "One More" when I saw them. The set may not be heavy on deep cuts, but most of the time they are there.

Rockindeano wrote:What a load of horse shit. This shows you that Journey doesn't really have a connected, true fanbase. They have shallow listeners, who are content with the same old shit night after night. There is plenty of blame to go around here, one being Butterfly is a terrible excuse for a song, and 2, if the band had better mid/deep cut songs, people wouldn't clamour for the fucking dozen hits every night. You can't tell me a true musician wants to play the same crap every night. You can't tell me Schon is content belting out the same fucking chords to AWYWI, DSB and WITS nightly- how boring. This shows that they don't give a shit about the "legacy" and they don't really consider themselves a serious band at this time. To abandon deep cuts in favor of the same shit nightly to me screams sell outs. Screw those shallow wine spritzer fans wanting to "play(hear) something good." A real fan understands what a real musician does, and that is challenge himself with new stuff to keep it fresh. I for one don't understand how many of you here can remain fans of a band that plays the same exact set list they played 10 years ago. Just bewildering.

You still love the music you cranky bastard.

Most bands play the favorites. That's the bread and butter. American Airlines isn't going to fly to Hilton Head because it's a cool place to go, they don't because it doesn't get enough passengers. These old fuckers can't wager their future on disappointing the casual fans with deep cuts. Which is what would happen.

You could always surprise the crowd and mesh up two songs like Foreigner does here. Turn it into a 10 minute jam session.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifCALy5F ... L&index=16

Rick wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:What a load of horse shit. This shows you that Journey doesn't really have a connected, true fanbase. They have shallow listeners, who are content with the same old shit night after night. There is plenty of blame to go around here, one being Butterfly is a terrible excuse for a song, and 2, if the band had better mid/deep cut songs, people wouldn't clamour for the fucking dozen hits every night. You can't tell me a true musician wants to play the same crap every night. You can't tell me Schon is content belting out the same fucking chords to AWYWI, DSB and WITS nightly- how boring. This shows that they don't give a shit about the "legacy" and they don't really consider themselves a serious band at this time. To abandon deep cuts in favor of the same shit nightly to me screams sell outs. Screw those shallow wine spritzer fans wanting to "play(hear) something good." A real fan understands what a real musician does, and that is challenge himself with new stuff to keep it fresh. I for one don't understand how many of you here can remain fans of a band that plays the same exact set list they played 10 years ago. Just bewildering.

You still love the music you cranky bastard.

Most bands play the favorites. That's the bread and butter. American Airlines isn't going to fly to Hilton Head because it's a cool place to go, they don't because it doesn't get enough passengers. These old fuckers can't wager their future on disappointing the casual fans with deep cuts. Which is what would happen.

I love the music too but there has to be some balance......a little more variety would not hurt!!! I can't imagine how bored they must be doing the same sets over and over....they have been playing this stuff for soooooo long!! I love it but I need to hear more variety...and back in the day they had that.

portland wrote:

Rick wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:What a load of horse shit. This shows you that Journey doesn't really have a connected, true fanbase. They have shallow listeners, who are content with the same old shit night after night. There is plenty of blame to go around here, one being Butterfly is a terrible excuse for a song, and 2, if the band had better mid/deep cut songs, people wouldn't clamour for the fucking dozen hits every night. You can't tell me a true musician wants to play the same crap every night. You can't tell me Schon is content belting out the same fucking chords to AWYWI, DSB and WITS nightly- how boring. This shows that they don't give a shit about the "legacy" and they don't really consider themselves a serious band at this time. To abandon deep cuts in favor of the same shit nightly to me screams sell outs. Screw those shallow wine spritzer fans wanting to "play(hear) something good." A real fan understands what a real musician does, and that is challenge himself with new stuff to keep it fresh. I for one don't understand how many of you here can remain fans of a band that plays the same exact set list they played 10 years ago. Just bewildering.

You still love the music you cranky bastard.

Most bands play the favorites. That's the bread and butter. American Airlines isn't going to fly to Hilton Head because it's a cool place to go, they don't because it doesn't get enough passengers. These old fuckers can't wager their future on disappointing the casual fans with deep cuts. Which is what would happen.

I love the music too but there has to be some balance......a little more variety would not hurt!!! I can't imagine how bored they must be doing the same sets over and over....they have been playing this stuff for soooooo long!! I love it but I need to hear more variety...and back in the day they had that.

Back in the day they had that option because they were hugely relevant. That's not the case now. The do throw in the occasional deep track for "us", but they can't stray too far from what the casual fan wants to hear, or they won't have them.

You know, sometimes there is no pleasing anybody. I dunno, listening to Augeri even on his worst time sounded better than a lot of proper acts today IMO. My hat is off to the man either way for getting out there and singing Journey songs, talk about pressure. Steve Augeri is all class non the less, he was always the professional. Sure as fans were we are critical on their music, but! saying it loud at a concert so the band members may hear you? that's a bit too much.

Maybe they should jam on a couple of the deeper cuts as an encore, letting the casual fans have the dirty dozen but then throwing in a couple jewels at the end. At this point the fans have gotten what they came to see and who cares if some of them get up and leave.

Hmm, just a thought - if so many of the new fans are pinheads pulled in by Arnel, why aren't they playing more from the last album? Break up the dirty dozen with the songs that the NewBoyFans will surely know?

Rick wrote:

portland wrote:

Rick wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:What a load of horse shit. This shows you that Journey doesn't really have a connected, true fanbase. They have shallow listeners, who are content with the same old shit night after night. There is plenty of blame to go around here, one being Butterfly is a terrible excuse for a song, and 2, if the band had better mid/deep cut songs, people wouldn't clamour for the fucking dozen hits every night. You can't tell me a true musician wants to play the same crap every night. You can't tell me Schon is content belting out the same fucking chords to AWYWI, DSB and WITS nightly- how boring. This shows that they don't give a shit about the "legacy" and they don't really consider themselves a serious band at this time. To abandon deep cuts in favor of the same shit nightly to me screams sell outs. Screw those shallow wine spritzer fans wanting to "play(hear) something good." A real fan understands what a real musician does, and that is challenge himself with new stuff to keep it fresh. I for one don't understand how many of you here can remain fans of a band that plays the same exact set list they played 10 years ago. Just bewildering.

You still love the music you cranky bastard.

Most bands play the favorites. That's the bread and butter. American Airlines isn't going to fly to Hilton Head because it's a cool place to go, they don't because it doesn't get enough passengers. These old fuckers can't wager their future on disappointing the casual fans with deep cuts. Which is what would happen.

I love the music too but there has to be some balance......a little more variety would not hurt!!! I can't imagine how bored they must be doing the same sets over and over....they have been playing this stuff for soooooo long!! I love it but I need to hear more variety...and back in the day they had that.

Back in the day they had that option because they were hugely relevant. That's not the case now. The do throw in the occasional deep track for "us", but they can't stray too far from what the casual fan wants to hear, or they won't have them.

I'm going with this....
and I'd like to add the songs were hugely relevant!!!

Arianddu wrote:Hmm, just a thought - if so many of the new fans are pinheads pulled in by Arnel, why aren't they playing more from the last album? Break up the dirty dozen with the songs that the NewBoyFans will surely know?

The crowd is predominately "casual fans". Deano is right, they do cater to that crowd, but it's definitely for a reason. $$$$$$

At this point in their careers and the climate of music, it's the only way this band survives at all.

Will I ever hear Deano's "guy code" stories? Will we ever know the tales of his time with the band? Coming up next, a dead youth in the midwest. lol

I think if the band did a little ten date tour at some smaller venues in the off season and named it "B Sides Live" or something and just did deep cuts, with 4-6 of the giant hits added in, it would satisfy a lot of the fan base that wants to hear the deeper cuts. The summer tours are playing to the lowest common denominator, and people definitely only want familiarity at those shows.

Jeremey wrote:I think if the band did a little ten date tour at some smaller venues in the off season and named it "B Sides Live" or something and just did deep cuts, with 4-6 of the giant hits added in, it would satisfy a lot of the fan base that wants to hear the deeper cuts. The summer tours are playing to the lowest common denominator, and people definitely only want familiarity at those shows.

It'd be be great if it was more than ten dates, but hey if it was close enough, I'd be there!

Jeremey wrote:I think if the band did a little ten date tour at some smaller venues in the off season and named it "B Sides Live" or something and just did deep cuts, with 4-6 of the giant hits added in, it would satisfy a lot of the fan base that wants to hear the deeper cuts. The summer tours are playing to the lowest common denominator, and people definitely only want familiarity at those shows.

And, they will sell 1/10 of the tickets, fill 1/10 of the venue, make 1/10 of the money and wonder "what the hell were we thinking?"

Journey caters to nostalgia. When they hired Pineda, they admitted that. Any fan that really supports what Journey is today is supporting that perspective from the band. Suggesting this band pull out 'deep cuts', or whatever, is hillarious when the band promotes 'returning to the legacy sound" and rerecords hit songs from up to 30yrs ago. They are not a band that has any progressive stance in either their music, or their future...they are a band that is looking back and reliving past success. Why should that not show in their choice for songs to perform live?

Be thankful for the two or three non-hit songs you are getting, cuz that is even a lot for this band nowadays.

Monker wrote:
And, they will sell 1/10 of the tickets, fill 1/10 of the venue, make 1/10 of the money and wonder "what the hell were we thinking?"

Well, yeah, that was kind of the point, I was thinking. Play ten dates at a 800 seat venue, charge $20, maybe even tie it in with some sort of fan promotion....Then go out and play an 18 song set of greatest hits at the summer sheds.

Jeremey wrote:

Monker wrote:
And, they will sell 1/10 of the tickets, fill 1/10 of the venue, make 1/10 of the money and wonder "what the hell were we thinking?"

Well, yeah, that was kind of the point, I was thinking. Play ten dates at a 800 seat venue, charge $20, maybe even tie it in with some sort of fan promotion....Then go out and play an 18 song set of greatest hits at the summer sheds.

So, you are thinking Journey and Journey's management are going to take the time to book ten < 1000 seat venues and take hardly any profit just to satisfy a few vocal internet fans and maybe others who want something else besides a GH concert?

LOL - I find that thought absolutely hillarious.

Journey has done nothing the past five years or so except to go where the money is. They are not going to line their pockets with cotton when they can line them with gold instead.