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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/28/cal ... index.html

How the fuck do you do this, completely fuckin sick n twisted shit. I wish this was more of an isolated incident than it has been the last several years.

Uh oh, you've stirred the pot now. I'm in 100% support of the death penalty. I think every state needs to have it. But there are too many whack jobs who play the 'we are better than them' card. You're better than sadistic child molestationists and murderers by letting them live? BULL!

The man suspected of kidnapping Jaycee Dugard 18 years ago says it's a "heart-warming story."

Garrido said he had "completely turned my life around" in the past several years. "You're going to find the most powerful story coming from the witness, from the victim," he promised. "If you take this a step at a time, you're going to fall over backward and in the end you're going to find the most powerful, heartwarming story."

He added, "Wait till you hear the story of what took place at this house. You're going to be absolutely impressed. It's a disgusting thing that took place with me in the beginning, but I turned my life completely around."

Describing his two daughters, he said, "Those two girls slept in my arms every single night from birth; I never kissed them."

In a later comment, he said that, from the time the youngest was born, "everything turned around."

not a proponent of the death penalty, i think a life in prison is an apt punishment. who wants to spend the remainder of their days with no freedoms? besides, death penalty prisoners cost the tax payers more with all of the appeals.

how this case wasn't solved sooner is mind boggling. investigators saw power chords running into the trees and didn't look further. very sad, very sick.

Lula wrote:not a proponent of the death penalty, i think a life in prison is an apt punishment. who wants to spend the remainder of their days with no freedoms? besides, death penalty prisoners cost the tax payers more with all of the appeals.
how this case wasn't solved sooner is mind boggling. investigators saw power chords running into the trees and didn't look further. very sad, very sick.

While the men who sit in prison for life don't have to worry about paying taxes. Think about it this way. In prison, as uncomfortable as life may be, you don't have to worry about taxes, finances, etc. Meals are provided, so is a room (cell).

Stick a needle in their arm and make 'em pay.

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:

Lula wrote:not a proponent of the death penalty, i think a life in prison is an apt punishment. who wants to spend the remainder of their days with no freedoms? besides, death penalty prisoners cost the tax payers more with all of the appeals.
how this case wasn't solved sooner is mind boggling. investigators saw power chords running into the trees and didn't look further. very sad, very sick.

While the men who sit in prison for life don't have to worry about paying taxes. Think about it this way. In prison, as uncomfortable as life may be, you don't have to worry about taxes, finances, etc. Meals are provided, so is a room (cell).

Stick a needle in their arm and make 'em pay.

And they probably get to watch tv, or read, or listen to the radio.

For some its probably a lifelong vacation from working.

StoneCold wrote:

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:

Lula wrote:not a proponent of the death penalty, i think a life in prison is an apt punishment. who wants to spend the remainder of their days with no freedoms? besides, death penalty prisoners cost the tax payers more with all of the appeals.
how this case wasn't solved sooner is mind boggling. investigators saw power chords running into the trees and didn't look further. very sad, very sick.

While the men who sit in prison for life don't have to worry about paying taxes. Think about it this way. In prison, as uncomfortable as life may be, you don't have to worry about taxes, finances, etc. Meals are provided, so is a room (cell).

Stick a needle in their arm and make 'em pay.

And they probably get to watch tv, or read, or listen to the radio.

For some its probably a lifelong vacation from working.

Jail's not a vacation, but someone like this simply does not deserve to be drawing breath. Liberals, you can justify it this way: If we kill these sick fucks, that's one less person's carbon footprint we have to worry about. See, we can synthesize our beliefs after all!

I support the death penalty when there is no question the person you are about to kill is the one who committed the crime. This type of crime is deserving of death, IMO.

I'm more liberal than not but I support the death penalty. However as Lula mentioned, people can just appeal forever, so it's practically like we don't have it.

I support torture until death for this kind of "person".

Is the prison itself the punishment, or is removal from society the punishment?

I think, in theory, the latter. And if the state is going to take ownership of someone, they have to provide for that person's welfare and safety. Rehabilitation is another argument. I think that's where arguments get even more liberal.

Perhaps the proper punishment here is isolation similar to that of the girl for the past 18 yrs. The weight of the ages would influence it as well. Did she lose more because she was younger...lost emotional, social, & educational skills? Would this guy not lose much because he's past prime? Probably other factors too. All interesting arguments.

The death penalty? You bet...but only if it fits the crime.


later~

Bringing back the DP is just opening up a can of worms that in 2009 should'nt be happening. Surely the obvious answer to just to make prisons worse places...

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:Uh oh, you've stirred the pot now. I'm in 100% support of the death penalty. I think every state needs to have it. But there are too many whack jobs who play the 'we are better than them' card. You're better than sadistic child molestationists and murderers by letting them live? BULL!

There's two reasons I'm on the fence about the death penalty. The first is the chance of being wrong, as we've found out in the past many of the wrong people were executed. The second one, it's too easy for some of those people who are truly guilty who deserve to be beaten and tortured every day for their rest of their lives until they die naturally.


I also think if you're a Christian and FOR the death penalty, it's hypocritical.

Barb wrote:I support the death penalty when there is no question the person you are about to kill is the one who committed the crime. This type of crime is deserving of death, IMO.

Agreed, as long as there is no question of guilt. But sometimes a little needle in the arm to go night-night is just too soft for some crimes. For child death/rape crimes, bring back hanging or the electric chair......something with a degree of fear involved.

BobbyinTN wrote:

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:Uh oh, you've stirred the pot now. I'm in 100% support of the death penalty. I think every state needs to have it. But there are too many whack jobs who play the 'we are better than them' card. You're better than sadistic child molestationists and murderers by letting them live? BULL!

There's two reasons I'm on the fence about the death penalty. The first is the chance of being wrong, as we've found out in the past many of the wrong people were executed. The second one, it's too easy for some of those people who are truly guilty who deserve to be beaten and tortured every day for their rest of their lives until they die naturally.


I also think if you're a Christian and FOR the death penalty, it's hypocritical.

Why? The Bible is filled with punishment and death. God handed out punishment to those who disobeyed.

It's hypocritical for someone to kill someone in cold blood for no reason, and then not be punished for it.

Deb wrote:

Barb wrote:I support the death penalty when there is no question the person you are about to kill is the one who committed the crime. This type of crime is deserving of death, IMO.

Agreed, as long as there is no question of guilt. But sometimes a little needle in the arm to go night-night is just too soft for some crimes. For child death/rape crimes, bring back hanging or the electric chair......something with a degree of fear involved.

+1

This 'close your eyes and count backwards starting at 10' crap isn't punishment. Electric chair / Hanging both have a decent failure rate, and I like that. It's pretty damn justified if you ask me.

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:Uh oh, you've stirred the pot now. I'm in 100% support of the death penalty. I think every state needs to have it. But there are too many whack jobs who play the 'we are better than them' card. You're better than sadistic child molestationists and murderers by letting them live? BULL!

There's two reasons I'm on the fence about the death penalty. The first is the chance of being wrong, as we've found out in the past many of the wrong people were executed. The second one, it's too easy for some of those people who are truly guilty who deserve to be beaten and tortured every day for their rest of their lives until they die naturally.


I also think if you're a Christian and FOR the death penalty, it's hypocritical.

Why? The Bible is filled with punishment and death. God handed out punishment to those who disobeyed.

It's hypocritical for someone to kill someone in cold blood for no reason, and then not be punished for it.

Because God handed out punishment. Modern Christians don't live by the Old Testament any longer, Jesus fulfilled that. In my opinion, you can't in one breath say you're a Christian, "Christ-like" and then turn around a be for the killing of anyone.





Deb, I think those found guilty of horrible crimes against children, old people or anyone should be done the same way they did their victims.

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:

Deb wrote:

Barb wrote:I support the death penalty when there is no question the person you are about to kill is the one who committed the crime. This type of crime is deserving of death, IMO.

Agreed, as long as there is no question of guilt. But sometimes a little needle in the arm to go night-night is just too soft for some crimes. For child death/rape crimes, bring back hanging or the electric chair......something with a degree of fear involved.

+1

This 'close your eyes and count backwards starting at 10' crap isn't punishment. Electric chair / Hanging both have a decent failure rate, and I like that. It's pretty damn justified if you ask me.

Come on now, we wouldn't want them shitting themselves or being in some visible pain in front of others would we?

Ehwmatt wrote:

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:

Deb wrote:

Barb wrote:I support the death penalty when there is no question the person you are about to kill is the one who committed the crime. This type of crime is deserving of death, IMO.

Agreed, as long as there is no question of guilt. But sometimes a little needle in the arm to go night-night is just too soft for some crimes. For child death/rape crimes, bring back hanging or the electric chair......something with a degree of fear involved.

+1

This 'close your eyes and count backwards starting at 10' crap isn't punishment. Electric chair / Hanging both have a decent failure rate, and I like that. It's pretty damn justified if you ask me.

Come on now, we wouldn't want them shitting themselves or being in some visible pain in front of others would we?

I guess not, because they only torturned and dismantled their victims while they were still alive. But it's just not fair to hurt them!

BobbyinTN wrote:

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:Uh oh, you've stirred the pot now. I'm in 100% support of the death penalty. I think every state needs to have it. But there are too many whack jobs who play the 'we are better than them' card. You're better than sadistic child molestationists and murderers by letting them live? BULL!

There's two reasons I'm on the fence about the death penalty. The first is the chance of being wrong, as we've found out in the past many of the wrong people were executed. The second one, it's too easy for some of those people who are truly guilty who deserve to be beaten and tortured every day for their rest of their lives until they die naturally.


I also think if you're a Christian and FOR the death penalty, it's hypocritical.

Why? The Bible is filled with punishment and death. God handed out punishment to those who disobeyed.

It's hypocritical for someone to kill someone in cold blood for no reason, and then not be punished for it.

Because God handed out punishment. Modern Christians don't live by the Old Testament any longer, Jesus fulfilled that. In my opinion, you can't in one breath say you're a Christian, "Christ-like" and then turn around a be for the killing of anyone.





Deb, I think those found guilty of horrible crimes against children, old people or anyone should be done the same way they did their victims.

So you think it's justified for a cold blooded murderer to live out the rest of his life and die of natural causes? Have some respect for those who he/she murdered. Did they get a 2nd chance at life? Did they get to live out their life? Did they?

[quote="Lula"]i think a life in prison is an apt punishment. who wants to spend the remainder of their days with no freedoms? [quote]

Get with the times! People in prison smoke cigarettes, smoke pot, drink, grow tits (Richard Speck) and party! Kill that fuck. Who cares what it costs?! Curious George has us 9 trillion in the hole anyway.

BobbyinTN wrote:I also think if you're a Christian and FOR the death penalty, it's hypocritical.

This is something that I've grappled with for a while. While I'm not going to present my political view on this, I morally feel abortion is an abominable action and anyone that excuses it as a 'choice' needs to have their vagina sealed shut with molten hot lava.

Thinking out loud here...the conundrum is how to denounce abortion while remaining supportive of the death penalty!?!? Yes, there's a level of hypocrisy to it. How can someone be supportive of protecting life at one end, but disinterested in protecting it at the other.

However, what a person engages in, between the moment their life began and the moment they took another's is what changes this issue, at least for me.

Every life has a right to a beginning. Not every life has a right to a full end, if that life chooses to take another in cold-blood. So to that end, it's NOT hypocritical. A person makes a sentient decision to take another life in cold blood, he/she should be prepared to face death him/herself.

strangegrey wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:I also think if you're a Christian and FOR the death penalty, it's hypocritical.

This is something that I've grappled with for a while. While I'm not going to present my political view on this, I morally feel abortion is an abominable action and anyone that excuses it as a 'choice' needs to have their vagina sealed shut with molten hot lava.

Thinking out loud here...the conundrum is how to denounce abortion while remaining supportive of the death penalty!?!? Yes, there's a level of hypocrisy to it. How can someone be supportive of protecting life at one end, but disinterested in protecting it at the other.

However, what a person engages in, between the moment their life began and the moment they took another's is what changes this issue, at least for me.

Every life has a right to a beginning. Not every life has a right to a full end, if that life chooses to take another in cold-blood. So to that end, it's NOT hypocritical. A person makes a sentient decision to take another life in cold blood, he/she should be prepared to face death him/herself.

Big difference: abortion ends an innoncent life and the death penalty ends a guilty one - usually a scumbag.

Tito wrote:Big difference: abortion ends an innoncent life and the death penalty ends a guilty one - usually a scumbag.

Yes, and that's the distinction I was trying to illuminate. Thank you for eloquently stating it for me, Tito.

I am completely pro death penalty. Moreover, I think it should be extended and reformed. "Murder" needs a vastly larger umbrella. This latest crook, Madoff, certianly needs to be executed. His life needs to end as soon as possible. This guy took money from people and shattered, in many cases, a lifetime of hard work. He bankrupted them of money, hope, dreams and a future. He deserves to have the one thing that can be taken away from him taken away...his life. His freedom isn't that important to him otherwise he would have ended his life on his terms when his indictment was iminent.

Moving on to the world's most heinous crime...rape. Any rapist found guilty with any great amount of certainty (DNA, confession, eye witness) should immediately be fucking executed. How we, as a civilized socirty, allow these maggots with feet to be released and, in the vast majority of cases, prey again is abhorent. Kill all rapists, too.

As for the abortion vs. death penalty argument...this is easy. We must ensure the safety of those without the voice to speak and we must eternally silence those that have chosen to intentionally harm and kill.

What about drink drivers. Lets kill those fuckers too.

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I think they should release him into the general prison population and then have all the guards take an extended coffee break. Then if he's still alive after being tortured and gang raped by the enraged prison inmates, they should burn him at the stake. I know that sounds vengeful but there is no punishment harsh enough for this scumbag animal. I have a 10-year-old daughter and I cannot imagine the torment and torture he inflicted on this girl and her parents. She is probably half-animal now herself after 18 years of being continually abused, brainwashed, and traumatized by this lunatic. I cannot imagine what the meeting between mom and daughter will be like. Way too much emotion to even imagine.

This gives new meaning to having your childhood stolen away from you. Next time you think your childhood was bad, think about this girl.

strangegrey wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:I also think if you're a Christian and FOR the death penalty, it's hypocritical.

This is something that I've grappled with for a while. While I'm not going to present my political view on this, I morally feel abortion is an abominable action and anyone that excuses it as a 'choice' needs to have their vagina sealed shut with molten hot lava.

Thinking out loud here...the conundrum is how to denounce abortion while remaining supportive of the death penalty!?!? Yes, there's a level of hypocrisy to it. How can someone be supportive of protecting life at one end, but disinterested in protecting it at the other.

However, what a person engages in, between the moment their life began and the moment they took another's is what changes this issue, at least for me.

Every life has a right to a beginning. Not every life has a right to a full end, if that life chooses to take another in cold-blood. So to that end, it's NOT hypocritical. A person makes a sentient decision to take another life in cold blood, he/she should be prepared to face death him/herself.

umm... not sure about the sealing of the vajayjay but i give you a...

+1

my thoughts are an eye for an eye. let the punishment fit the crime.

Voyager wrote:I think they should release him into the general prison population and then have all the guards take an extended coffee break. Then if he's still alive after being tortured and gang raped by the enraged prison inmates, they should burn him at the stake. I know that sounds vengeful but there is no punishment harsh enough for this scumbag animal. I have a 10-year-old daughter and I cannot imagine the torment and torture he inflicted on this girl and her parents. She is probably half-animal now herself after 18 years of being continually abused, brainwashed, and traumatized by this lunatic. I cannot imagine what the meeting between mom and daughter will be like. Way too much emotion to even imagine.

I like this post...a lot.