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Arkansas wrote:Could care less, or couldn't care less?


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Grammar nazi much?

No, 2008 was.

Gunbot wrote:No, 2008 was.

Because of the new album, I can see where people could think that. I think this year's concerts were more successful because of Asia and Europe as well as Arnel's growth in confidence and skill.

I think the last 18 months are the best they've done since 1983. ROR may have been more lucrative monetarily, but there were some awfully shitty concerts because Nostrildamus wanted to sing the older material at the speed of light, they were without Ross and Smitty, Perry's mother had just passed away and he was a mess emotionally and physically, and there was an inner struggle for control of the band. Things seem stable now, the press has been positive, Neal and Deen are (by all accounts) sober and they have a lead singer that looks to be here for the forseeable future. They've had a nice run. Revelation made them a ton of loot.

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:No, 2008 was.

Because of the new album, I can see where people could think that. I think this year's concerts were more successful because of Asia and Europe as well as Arnel's growth in confidence and skill.

No way. The festivals they played in Europe don't pay near as much as stand alone shows. The problem is all of Journey's solo shows where in small venues with around 2,000 people. With the exception of Manila, the same small venues in Japan.

Then look at half the shows they did here in the states; State Fairs, with super cheap tickets.

Are you talking monetary?

If you're talking about the the way the group has been received, then 2006 will have to be looked at as every single review of them with JSS was pretty glowing compared to their touring partner, Def Leppard. Even Rolling Stone gave them props that year.

Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:No, 2008 was.

Because of the new album, I can see where people could think that. I think this year's concerts were more successful because of Asia and Europe as well as Arnel's growth in confidence and skill.

No way. The festivals they played in Europe don't pay near as much as stand alone shows. The problem is all of Journey's solo shows where in small venues with around 2,000 people. With the exception of Manila, the same small venues in Japan.

Then look at half the shows they did here in the states; State Fairs, with super cheap tickets.

Are you talking monetary?

If you're talking about the the way the group has been received, then 2006 will have to be looked at as every single review of them with JSS was pretty glowing compared to their touring partner, Def Leppard. Even Rolling Stone gave them props that year.

Def Leppard blew them off the stage both times I saw them. They had 60 to 75% of the fans and the applause was no contest. I just remember when Journey sang MOL and Soto did a nice job on it, and Tito and I were the only two clapping in the whole fucking place!

Saint John wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:No, 2008 was.

Because of the new album, I can see where people could think that. I think this year's concerts were more successful because of Asia and Europe as well as Arnel's growth in confidence and skill.

No way. The festivals they played in Europe don't pay near as much as stand alone shows. The problem is all of Journey's solo shows where in small venues with around 2,000 people. With the exception of Manila, the same small venues in Japan.

Then look at half the shows they did here in the states; State Fairs, with super cheap tickets.

Are you talking monetary?

If you're talking about the the way the group has been received, then 2006 will have to be looked at as every single review of them with JSS was pretty glowing compared to their touring partner, Def Leppard. Even Rolling Stone gave them props that year.

Def Leppard blew them off the stage both times I saw them. They had 60 to 75% of the fans and the applause was no contest. I just remember when Journey sang MOL and Soto did a nice job on it, and Tito and I were the only two clapping in the whole fucking place!

I'm talking about the reviews, I've read tons of them from that tour and all gave Journey major props. We know how it is i the real world though.

Gunbot wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:No, 2008 was.

Because of the new album, I can see where people could think that. I think this year's concerts were more successful because of Asia and Europe as well as Arnel's growth in confidence and skill.

No way. The festivals they played in Europe don't pay near as much as stand alone shows. The problem is all of Journey's solo shows where in small venues with around 2,000 people. With the exception of Manila, the same small venues in Japan.

Then look at half the shows they did here in the states; State Fairs, with super cheap tickets.

Are you talking monetary?

If you're talking about the the way the group has been received, then 2006 will have to be looked at as every single review of them with JSS was pretty glowing compared to their touring partner, Def Leppard. Even Rolling Stone gave them props that year.

Def Leppard blew them off the stage both times I saw them. They had 60 to 75% of the fans and the applause was no contest. I just remember when Journey sang MOL and Soto did a nice job on it, and Tito and I were the only two clapping in the whole fucking place!

I'm talking about the reviews, I've read tons of them from that tour and all gave Journey major props. We know how it is i the real world though.

Say what you want, but Def Leppard has great fucking fans. I was just astonished at how many people I saw wearing DL t-shirts. It seemed like it was literally 50% of the place. I thought Journey was getting really nice applause...until Def Leppard came on and the place went ballistic. I think they had a lot of crossover/same fans, but the vast majority were there primarily to see DL. Great show, and I have to be honest about one thing. Tito called it when he said "This isn't that good. They have to get rid of this guy" when referring to Soto mid-show. Fucker sure called that one.

Saint John wrote:
Say what you want, but Def Leppard has great fucking fans. I was just astonished at how many people I saw wearing DL t-shirts. It seemed like it was literally 50% of the place. I thought Journey was getting really nice applause...until Def Leppard came on and the place went ballistic. I think they had a lot of crossover/same fans, but the vast majority were there primarily to see DL. Great show, and I have to be honest about one thing. Tito called it when he said "This isn't that good. They have to get rid of this guy" when referring to Soto mid-show. Fucker sure called that one.

Yea DL's fans are crazy. I can imagine Soto not going over too well with the crossover fans

Saint John wrote: Revelation made them a ton of loot.

A TON? Ya think so? Obviously Revelation was successful and they probably were paid a good chunk of change from WalMart, but I think the band makes most of their "loot" from the touring proceeds.

jrnyjetster wrote:

Saint John wrote: Revelation made them a ton of loot.

A TON? Ya think so? Obviously Revelation was successful and they probably were paid a good chunk of change from WalMart, but I think the band makes most of their "loot" from the touring proceeds.

The band made $7 per package sold. That's $7 X 1 million units sold, which is $7,000,000. Hell, they probably made even more on each sale of the mp3 that retailed for $40.

Saint John wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:No, 2008 was.

Because of the new album, I can see where people could think that. I think this year's concerts were more successful because of Asia and Europe as well as Arnel's growth in confidence and skill.

No way. The festivals they played in Europe don't pay near as much as stand alone shows. The problem is all of Journey's solo shows where in small venues with around 2,000 people. With the exception of Manila, the same small venues in Japan.

Then look at half the shows they did here in the states; State Fairs, with super cheap tickets.

Are you talking monetary?

If you're talking about the the way the group has been received, then 2006 will have to be looked at as every single review of them with JSS was pretty glowing compared to their touring partner, Def Leppard. Even Rolling Stone gave them props that year.

Def Leppard blew them off the stage both times I saw them. They had 60 to 75% of the fans and the applause was no contest. I just remember when Journey sang MOL and Soto did a nice job on it, and Tito and I were the only two clapping in the whole fucking place!

I'm talking about the reviews, I've read tons of them from that tour and all gave Journey major props. We know how it is i the real world though.

Say what you want, but Def Leppard has great fucking fans. I was just astonished at how many people I saw wearing DL t-shirts. It seemed like it was literally 50% of the place. I thought Journey was getting really nice applause...until Def Leppard came on and the place went ballistic. I think they had a lot of crossover/same fans, but the vast majority were there primarily to see DL. Great show, and I have to be honest about one thing. Tito called it when he said "This isn't that good. They have to get rid of this guy" when referring to Soto mid-show. Fucker sure called that one.

I won't dis Leppard. Their fans are hardcore and they had two of the biggest album in the 80s.
They actually been given consideration for the HOF too. I've only seen them in the early 90s but I actually like more of their stuff than Journey's.

Saint John wrote:

jrnyjetster wrote:

Saint John wrote: Revelation made them a ton of loot.

A TON? Ya think so? Obviously Revelation was successful and they probably were paid a good chunk of change from WalMart, but I think the band makes most of their "loot" from the touring proceeds.

The band made $7 per package sold. That's $7 X 1 million units sold, which is $7,000,000. Hell, they probably made even more on each sale of the mp3 that retailed for $40.

Yea splitting that up don't leave a whole lot of loot does it?

perryswoman wrote:

Saint John wrote:

jrnyjetster wrote:

Saint John wrote: Revelation made them a ton of loot.

A TON? Ya think so? Obviously Revelation was successful and they probably were paid a good chunk of change from WalMart, but I think the band makes most of their "loot" from the touring proceeds.

The band made $7 per package sold. That's $7 X 1 million units sold, which is $7,000,000. Hell, they probably made even more on each sale of the mp3 that retailed for $40.

Yea splitting that up don't leave a whole lot of loot does it?

don't forget they still need to pay recording and production costs out of the proceeds since they did this one on their own again.

perryswoman wrote:

Saint John wrote:

jrnyjetster wrote:

Saint John wrote: Revelation made them a ton of loot.

A TON? Ya think so? Obviously Revelation was successful and they probably were paid a good chunk of change from WalMart, but I think the band makes most of their "loot" from the touring proceeds.

The band made $7 per package sold. That's $7 X 1 million units sold, which is $7,000,000. Hell, they probably made even more on each sale of the mp3 that retailed for $40.

Yea splitting that up don't leave a whole lot of loot does it?

What is the split? What's their overhead? What about Azoff or Shirley?
How many people do they have on payroll? What does it take to run the entire org?
I really doubt any of them made a whole lot. I've read that touring is where the money is.




later~

I'd have to say that AP is the best thing to happen to Journey since SP left it, and all the fuss in the forums, tv etc. etc. proves this to be the fact. Hell, seriously I thought Journey had retired for good from the music business starting in the late 90's and was long gone forever. Didn't hear a friggin peep about Journey for almost ten years and then AP joined. It was a very pleasant surprise to see Journey again and with AP a part of this team.

As popular as Journey is now, multiply that by four and you'll have an idea of how it was from 81 to 83. Radio, TV, touring, Japanese gameshows, movies, even a freakin' video game , Journey was everywhere. The ultimate "MTV" band. The oversaturation is what probably did them in at the end of 86. People had just about enough. Maybe the reason Azoff may cool down their touring schedule. He doesn't want people to get tired of them from too much exposure.

Gunbot wrote:As popular as Journey is now, multiply that by four and you'll have an idea of how it was from 81 to 83. Radio, TV, touring, Japanese gameshows, movies, even a freakin' video game , Journey was everywhere.

Yep, I remember those days (years) quite well matter of fact. I had the Escape LP back then. A lot also has to do with the fact that the members are getting up there in age now. That really has to do a lot with it since there are so many music fans a part of the really young crowd now. But isn't AP almost 20 years younger then the rest of them? That is an interesting concept come to think about it.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Gunbot wrote:As popular as Journey is now, multiply that by four and you'll have an idea of how it was from 81 to 83. Radio, TV, touring, Japanese gameshows, movies, even a freakin' video game , Journey was everywhere.

Yep, I remember those days (years) quite well matter of fact. I had the Escape LP back then. A lot also has to do with the fact that the members are getting up there in age now. That really has to do a lot with it since there are so many music fans a part of the really young crowd now. But isn't AP almost 20 years younger then the rest of them? That is an interesting concept come to think about it.

I think if Cain leaves for what ever reason , then Neal will retire the band. Jon handles all the composing and a majority of the Writing. He is the main component of the machine now. It's Neal's band but Jon is the engine for sure.

perryswoman wrote:

Saint John wrote:

jrnyjetster wrote:

Saint John wrote: Revelation made them a ton of loot.

A TON? Ya think so? Obviously Revelation was successful and they probably were paid a good chunk of change from WalMart, but I think the band makes most of their "loot" from the touring proceeds.

The band made $7 per package sold. That's $7 X 1 million units sold, which is $7,000,000. Hell, they probably made even more on each sale of the mp3 that retailed for $40.

Yea splitting that up don't leave a whole lot of loot does it?

The Wal-Mart deal is more artist friendly than any major label.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I'd have to say that AP is the best thing to happen to Journey since SP left it, and all the fuss in the forums, tv etc. etc. proves this to be the fact. Hell, seriously I thought Journey had retired for good from the music business starting in the late 90's and was long gone forever. Didn't hear a friggin peep about Journey for almost ten years and then AP joined. It was a very pleasant surprise to see Journey again and with AP a part of this team.

+1

Gunbot wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Gunbot wrote:As popular as Journey is now, multiply that by four and you'll have an idea of how it was from 81 to 83. Radio, TV, touring, Japanese gameshows, movies, even a freakin' video game , Journey was everywhere.

Yep, I remember those days (years) quite well matter of fact. I had the Escape LP back then. A lot also has to do with the fact that the members are getting up there in age now. That really has to do a lot with it since there are so many music fans a part of the really young crowd now. But isn't AP almost 20 years younger then the rest of them? That is an interesting concept come to think about it.

I think if Cain leaves for what ever reason , then Neal will retire the band. Jon handles all the composing and a majority of the Writing. He is the main component of the machine now. It's Neal's band but Jon is the engine for sure.

Neal wouldn't retire the band b/c of that, b/c it could just stay a touring band and have someone do Jon's part in concert. But I read somewhere this year where Jon mentioned the band gong another ten years, something like that. I don't think Jon is retiring any time soon, but I see them slowing down in three years.

Gunbot wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Gunbot wrote:As popular as Journey is now, multiply that by four and you'll have an idea of how it was from 81 to 83. Radio, TV, touring, Japanese gameshows, movies, even a freakin' video game , Journey was everywhere.

Yep, I remember those days (years) quite well matter of fact. I had the Escape LP back then. A lot also has to do with the fact that the members are getting up there in age now. That really has to do a lot with it since there are so many music fans a part of the really young crowd now. But isn't AP almost 20 years younger then the rest of them? That is an interesting concept come to think about it.

I think if Cain leaves for what ever reason , then Neal will retire the band. Jon handles all the composing and a majority of the Writing. He is the main component of the machine now. It's Neal's band but Jon is the engine for sure.

Maybe 1 tour with Rolie back in the lineup...that would be awesome.

JSS Rocks! wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Gunbot wrote:As popular as Journey is now, multiply that by four and you'll have an idea of how it was from 81 to 83. Radio, TV, touring, Japanese gameshows, movies, even a freakin' video game , Journey was everywhere.

Yep, I remember those days (years) quite well matter of fact. I had the Escape LP back then. A lot also has to do with the fact that the members are getting up there in age now. That really has to do a lot with it since there are so many music fans a part of the really young crowd now. But isn't AP almost 20 years younger then the rest of them? That is an interesting concept come to think about it.

I think if Cain leaves for what ever reason , then Neal will retire the band. Jon handles all the composing and a majority of the Writing. He is the main component of the machine now. It's Neal's band but Jon is the engine for sure.

Maybe 1 tour with Rolie back in the lineup...that would be awesome.

I don't know. The organ solo's were cool back in the day but I doubt they would fly these days.

Oh geez. Rolie was so much more than an 'organ solo'. Love Cain to death for all he brought to Journey, but Gregg Rolie was pure SOUL, and a naturally talented musician. The Hammond B3 is definitely all that and a bag of chips, but even moreso, GR was/still is the foundation of Journey.

Those of us that saw him as a part of performing Journey KNOW this.

Btw, Rolie & Cain, as six-piece Journey would still be unstopable. Period.



later~

I didn't get into Journey until Escape came out, shortly before that point I was still pretty young at that time, runny nose, pimples, still of virgin....you know the drill. The year leading up to the album Escape being released, I was pretty much into listening to KYA radio which played primarily the 50's and 60's era of music and my home music collection consisted primarily of only Beatles (had pretty much every album that came out plus a hand full of Brittish imports that I purchased from a used record store called "Rod's Records" in San Carlos) and the Beach Boys and a few odd & end albums by Chuck Berry (Chuck Berry was what inspired me to get my first guitar and learn to play those specific songs), Moody Blues and Elvis. When Escape came out, I shifted my musical interests to bands such as Journey, Toto, Foreigner, The Cars, etc. I never went back to the Golden Oldies ever hardly again after 1981. So basically, I really don't know much about the sounds Journey made with Rolie in the band.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I didn't get into Journey until Escape came out, I was still pretty young at that time, runny nose, pimples, still of virgin....you know the drill. I was pretty much into listening to KYA radio which played primarily the 50's and 60's era of music and my home music collection consisted primarily of only Beatles (had pretty much every album that came out plus a hand full of Brittish imports that I purchased from a used record store called "Rod's Records" in San Carlos) and the Beach Boys and a few odd & end albums by Chuck Berry (Chuck Berry was what inspired me to get my first guitar and learn to play those specific songs), Moody Blues and Elvis, until about the time Escape came out. When Escape came out, I shifted my musical interests to bands such as Journey, Toto, Foreigner, The Cars, etc. I never went back to the Golden Oldies ever hardly again after 1981. So basically, I really don't know much about the sounds Journey made with Rolie in the band.

I wore my Escape LP out....... but I still love the older stuff....it's where it all started!!!