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Well Kiss was finally nominated for the RRHOF and once again Journey was ignored. I have to say I've never been a Kiss fan. I thought their music was just OK and never got the stupid makeup and costume thing, but I know there are a lot of you on the forum who love them, so this isn't about hating Kiss.

One of the other groups nominated were the Stooges. Really... the Stooges! I'm not talking Larry, Curly & Moe here. There is something so wrong with the selection process that a group like Journey doesn't even merit a nomination and the f***ing Stooges do! OK, my venting is over.

Peartree12249 wrote:Well Kiss was finally nominated for the RRHOF and once again Journey was ignored. I have to say I've never been a Kiss fan. I thought their music was just OK and never got the stupid makeup and costume thing, but I know there are a lot of you on the forum who love them, so this isn't about hating Kiss.

One of the other groups nominated were the Stooges. Really... the Stooges! I'm not talking Larry, Curly & Moe here. There is something so wrong with the selection process that a group like Journey doesn't even merit a nomination and the f***ing Stooges do! OK, my venting is over.

It's really too bad since Journey has a way better catalog of songs than Kiss. I guess the music doesn't matter anymore. So what is the RnRHOF for again?

steveo777 wrote: It's really too bad since Journey has a way better catalog of songs than Kiss. I guess the music doesn't matter anymore. So what is the RnRHOF for again?

No kidding, the only big hit I can even think of is Rock n Roll All Night. Granted I'm not a fan, but that is the only song that ever entered my consciousness.

I'm a Kiss lover and I am thrilled!! I love their live shows more than
just about anyone....Fun, Fun, Fun!!!! I happen to love their catalog, as well!!
But if I were going to pick one over the other in terms of talent (all the way around) catalog, vox, instrumental,
it would definitely be Journey!! When the term COMMERCIAL is used to describe a band, KISS is what pops in my
little ol' head!!!

Just a few.....

Hard Luck Woman.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_EIufhjHsE

Detroit Rock City...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgsoJrzp ... re=related

Beth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbtO_Ayj ... re=related

Love Gun....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoLx8RsH ... re=related

God Gave Rock and Roll To You....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvZyGp-L ... re=related

Journey...DON'T STOP BELIEVIN'!!!

Kiss just have a show in July that had 80k in attendance. Still drawing that kind of crowd helps, along with being on AI this last season.

I'm sure notoriety isn't a pre-req for consideration, but it sure does make you known. So in some sort of subconscious fashion, I'd bet that Journey just isn't 'known' enough. They've always been far too vanilla. I suspect this is also pretty much the same reason why none of the guys are household names.


later~

I see Journey going in more of a Christian Rock direction in the near future.

Gunbot wrote:I see Journey going in more of a Christian Rock direction in the near future.

Why...did they all suddenly get Jesus?

Arkansas wrote:I'm sure notoriety isn't a pre-req for consideration, but it sure does make you known. So in some sort of subconscious fashion, I'd bet that Journey just isn't 'known' enough. They've always been far too vanilla. I suspect this is also pretty much the same reason why none of the guys are household names.


later~

You're probably right, If the members of Journey had been shooting heroin, in and out of rehab and Steve Perry had committed suicide or died in a tragic auto-erotic hanging accident instead of quietly retiring and going to the Giants games, they probably would have gotten in years ago. Damn You Steve Perry!!!

steveo777 wrote:

Gunbot wrote:I see Journey going in more of a Christian Rock direction in the near future.

Why...did they all suddenly get Jesus?

Going by the posts I see on their website and Arnel's it sure looks that way.

KISS is a pretty good band. But, for me, it's hard to look at grown men in makeup and high heels. It just looks stupid and it's hard to take seriously. Aside from that nonsense, their shows are incredible and are really an experience in and of themselves. I've seen them a few times and enjoyed every show. Even the one where I left with a fucking sunburn from being too close to the pyrotechnics. Love Gun remains in my Top 25 songs of all-time. Truly a great song.

Saint John wrote:KISS is a pretty good band. But, for me, it's hard to look at grown men in makeup and high heels. It just looks stupid and it's hard to take seriously. Aside from that nonsense, their shows are incredible and are really an experience in and of themselves. I've seen them a few times and enjoyed every show. Even the one where I left with a fucking sunburn from being too close to the pyrotechnics. Love Gun remains in my Top 25 songs of all-time. Truly a great song.

My intent for this post was not to dis Kiss. They've had a long and very successful career and their fans love them. I just feel there are other groups from that era that are just as deserving of recognition as Kiss.

I never understood Kiss. The one thing they have going for them minus their terrible vocals, is their stage show. Alot of people obviously love old men dressing up in halloween costumes wearing high heel boots and spitting blood. Not my thing. Journey vs. Kiss, come on no comparison! Journey actually had more than 2 hits in the U.S. and they can actually sing live. I cant even think of more than 3 kiss songs I know off the top of my head, heck you could go on and on with journey's catalogue. Im not trying to bring Kiss fans down, just saying that its not my thing, and I really dont think they had a huge influence on music. I would agree that they are geniuses when it comes to theatrics and stage shows, and also marketing their name. I would say Chicago had alot more "musical" influence than Kiss anyday.

jrny84 wrote:I never understood Kiss. The one thing they have going for them minus their terrible vocals, is their stage show. Alot of people obviously love old men dressing up in halloween costumes wearing high heel boots and spitting blood. Not my thing. Journey vs. Kiss, come on no comparison! Journey actually had more than 2 hits in the U.S. and they can actually sing live. I cant even think of more than 3 kiss songs I know off the top of my head, heck you could go on and on with journey's catalogue. Im not trying to bring Kiss fans down, just saying that its not my thing, and I really dont think they had a huge influence on music. I would agree that they are geniuses when it comes to theatrics and stage shows, and also marketing their name. I would say Chicago had alot more "musical" influence than Kiss anyday.

You got it sistah....I love 'em!!!

I'm going to see them this Thursday in Montreal for the very first time in my life.

It's my very own mid-life crisis tour '09.

Uno_up wrote:I'm going to see them this Thursday in Montreal for the very first time in my life.

It's my very own mid-life crisis tour '09.

^^^^^LMAO!!! You're dressed for it!!! It's going to be GREAT!!!

Uno_up wrote:I'm going to see them this Thursday in Montreal for the very first time in my life.

It's my very own mid-life crisis tour '09.

Is your AV a dress rehearsal? Have fun and drink lots of Canadian beer!

jrny84 wrote:Alot of people obviously love old men dressing up in halloween costumes wearing high heel boots and spitting blood. Not my thing.

Michigan Girl wrote:

Uno_up wrote:I'm going to see them this Thursday in Montreal for the very first time in my life.

It's my very own mid-life crisis tour '09.

^^^^^LMAO!!! You're dressed for it!!! It's going to be GREAT!!!

That was Halloween last year. There's no way in hell I'd be wearing makeup of any sorts to any concert. Not even guyliner.
For some reason all Canadians wear thin leather coats and Jordashe jeans to concerts. Why is that Deb?

Uno_up wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

Uno_up wrote:I'm going to see them this Thursday in Montreal for the very first time in my life.

It's my very own mid-life crisis tour '09.

^^^^^LMAO!!! You're dressed for it!!! It's going to be GREAT!!!

That was Halloween last year. There's no way in hell I'd be wearing makeup of any sorts to any concert. Not even guyliner.
For some reason all Canadians wear thin leather coats and Jordashe jeans to concerts. Why is that Deb?

LMAO! It's true, especially the leather coats.

Peartree12249 wrote:
One of the other groups nominated were the Stooges. Really... the Stooges! I'm not talking Larry, Curly & Moe here. There is something so wrong with the selection process that a group like Journey doesn't even merit a nomination and the f***ing Stooges do! OK, my venting is over.

You may not like them, but Iggy Pop & The Stooges were incredibly influential. In theory, the RORHOF is about influence and lasting legacy, not a popularity contest. Although IMO, the Stooges, Kiss, and Journey all deserve recognition by the hall.

Uno_up wrote:I'm going to see them this Thursday in Montreal for the very first time in my life.

It's my very own mid-life crisis tour '09.

you'll love it.saw 'em in 1990 without makeup and 1996 with makeup.both shows were great.

i think i read somewhere that kiss has more gold albums than any american rock band in music history.

mikemarrs wrote:i think i read somewhere that kiss has more gold albums than any american rock band in music history.

You are correct.

jrny84 wrote:I never understood Kiss. The one thing they have going for them minus their terrible vocals, is their stage show. Alot of people obviously love old men dressing up in halloween costumes wearing high heel boots and spitting blood. Not my thing. Journey vs. Kiss, come on no comparison! Journey actually had more than 2 hits in the U.S. and they can actually sing live. I cant even think of more than 3 kiss songs I know off the top of my head, heck you could go on and on with journey's catalogue. Im not trying to bring Kiss fans down, just saying that its not my thing, and I really dont think they had a huge influence on music. I would agree that they are geniuses when it comes to theatrics and stage shows, and also marketing their name. I would say Chicago had alot more "musical" influence than Kiss anyday.

"terrrible vocals"???

Paul Stanley's been doing it for over 35 years.

Can't say the same about Steve Perry.

Go watch "KISS Unplugged" and tell me Paul Stanley has a terrible voice.

Billboard Top 100 singles chart:

"Rock And Roll All Nite" (Live) - #12

"Beth" - #7 RIAA gold singles award

"Hard Luck Woman" - #15

"Calling Dr. Love" - #16

"I Was Made For Loving You" - #11 RIAA gold singles award

"Forever" - #8

Billboard's Mainstream Rock Tracks chart

"Heavens On Fire" - #11

"Tears Are Falling" - #20

"Rock And Roll All Nite" (Unplugged) - #13

"Jungle" - #8

"Psycho Circus" - #1

"Modern Day Delilah" - #12 and climbing

Go ask

Metallica
Megadeth
Garth Brooks
Lenny Kravitz
Toad The Wet Sprocket
Poison
Extreme
Pantera
W.A.S.P.
Motley Crue
Anthrax
Gin Blossoms
Tool
Nine Inch Nails
Dinosaur Jr.
The Lemonheads
The Melvins
Yoshiki
Doro
Die Arzte
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Faith No More
Goo Goo Dolls
Twisted Sister
Tommy Shaw
Slaughter
Helmet
Triumph
Buckcherry
Rob Zombie/White Zombie
Ministry
EZO

who they were influenced by.

BTW, Journey opened for KISS. It wasn't the other way around.

Uno_up wrote:I'm going to see them this Thursday in Montreal for the very first time in my life.

It's my very own mid-life crisis tour '09.

I'll be seeing KISS in CT and Boston.

Have a great time.

my two favorite groups. journey and kiss.

mikemarrs wrote:my two favorite groups. journey and kiss.

Mine too. Always have been.

WykkedSensation wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:my two favorite groups. journey and kiss.

Mine too. Always have been.

same here for over 25 years and running.


new kiss album will drop one week from today.

JSS Rocks! wrote:

mikemarrs wrote:i think i read somewhere that kiss has more gold albums than any american rock band in music history.

You are correct.

NO WAY!!

Fan or not, I don't understand how anyone cannot be familiar w/more than just
Rock and Roll All Night?!? Their body of work is just amazing, you cannot listen
to the radio w/out hearing a Kiss song...well, perhaps some can!!