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so i read in another thread that there is a film being made, don't stop believin': everyman's journey due out in 2010. from what i gather it is a rag to riches story set to a soundtrack of journey music. don't know about distribution.

i think it is so awesome that there is an arnel pineda story to be told. of course i'd rather not see children live in squalor, but happy endings are wonderful. i don't like the name of the film and i know some here take issue, but aside from perry, what don't you like?

my thing is- move on from this song. it used to be funny, you'd ask someone if they liked journey and get who? with a reply of you know- just a small town girl.... don't stop bel..... or open arms. then they'd say "oh yeah" or something. we can argue the same stuff til the cows come home, but i wonder if the band is seriously hurting themselves by continuing to capitalize on their past successes or do they even care? is being a nostalgia act creativley satisfying? is the whole point the botton line?

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I don't think the DSB part was used for anything more than highlight the faith that Arnel kept for the 25-26 years before he was discovered. Sounds more like the theme was the producer's idea and not the band's. I'm ok with this since it involves the rest of the current Journey members. I was touched by Arnel's story, as I'm sure many were, but what he's done for the children, via the means presented to him is equally touching, if not more.

I just wish the band had gotten a movie deal during the Perry years, or during they hiatus, or during TBF or even with the inclusion of Steve Augeri. This band has been due for a long time. I am glad things are working out, they are getting some notice. I am sure there will be some history in this, no matter how minimal. But a movie like this makes it seem even more difficult to move on to another singer should that day come....

Happy for the band, will watch it at some point, but don't really care...

And I am so sick of DSB that I actually enjoy hearing Open Arms now!!

From what I see, it was so obvious the band is trying to capitalize on Arnel's rags to riches story in which it's becoming successful in my opinion. I totally agree with other posters here about the title of this DVD in which it's inappropriate as far as the band's history, especially a song that was popularized by SP. Perhaps they have chosen other title to promote the existence of a new Journey with Arnel, start a new beginning and leave the past behind them. For Christ sake, they can use a title like "Journey, A New Beginning" or "Arnel, How He Save Our Asses" Does it mean more money for SP for using this song title?

No. Change the title at least. Or make a movie strong enough to not have to cash in on his predecessor's success with the band. Call it "Never Walk Away" and it'll be MUCH less an abomination. Nothing personal to Arnel. But using DSB is nothing short of viral marketing.

Rhiannon wrote:Call it "Never Walk Away" and it'll be MUCH less an abomination. Nothing personal to Arnel. But using DSB is nothing short of viral marketing.

Precisely.

SultanOfSwing wrote:From what I see, it was so obvious the band is trying to capitalize on Arnel's rags to riches story in which it's becoming successful in my opinion. I totally agree with other posters here about the title of this DVD in which it's inappropriate as far as the band's history, especially a song that was popularized by SP. Perhaps they have chosen other title to promote the existence of a new Journey with Arnel, start a new beginning and leave the past behind them. For Christ sake, they can use a title like "Journey, A New Beginning" or "Arnel, How He Save Our Asses" Does it mean more money for SP for using this song title?

You make great points, my friend... and LMAO!!!!

Too personal a song to that era of Journey...not JUST SP, but he is a huge
part of it!!
Definitely, use Arnel's own song....Our Asses Got Saved....AGAIN!!! :wink:

Love the idea. It's a Schon, Cain and Perry song, so if 2/3 of the song's creators are ok with it, then so am I. Plus, I dig the idea that it might in some way cause emotional grief to Nostrildamus. Then again, what doesn't? After all, he should be out singing with the band considering his voice "sounds as good as any time in the mid-80's."

i love that arnel is giving back. what he is doing in regards of charity is a lesson for us all.

as for the dsb, don't see justification. keep the faith works as well. i see it as capitalizing on the familiarity and legacy. no blame whatsoever to arnel. and i suppose as a film maker i'd might go with something that is known and proven successful. seems to be jrny's m.o. these days lol.

Lula wrote:i love that arnel is giving back. what he is doing in regards of charity is a lesson for us all.

as for the dsb, don't see justification. keep the faith works as well. i see it as capitalizing on the familiarity and legacy. no blame whatsoever to arnel. and i suppose as a film maker i'd might go with something that is known and proven successful. seems to be jrny's m.o. these days lol.

Nope, that's Bon Jovi's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U5gJZh5u2Y

Disagree completely. There is no better title to represent the band's biggest hit and the life story of Arnel Pineda. Arnel's life is an amazing story. It is an ideal title and smart marketing. 'Abomination' is a very strong word to use here regarding a simple movie and a song.

Saint John wrote:Love the idea. It's a Schon, Cain and Perry song, so if 2/3 of the song's creators are ok with it, then so am I.

There i$ only one rea$on that two-third$ of the $ong'$ creator$ are ok with u$ing "Don't $top Believin'" a$ the title.

Lula wrote:
as for the dsb, don't see justification. keep the faith works as well. i see it as capitalizing on the familiarity and legacy. no blame whatsoever to arnel. and i suppose as a film maker i'd might go with something that is known and proven successful. seems to be jrny's m.o. these days lol.

That's pure marketing, and probably pure filmmaker decision with Journey having little say whatsoever in the matter. In making films, I've always had final say on the title--and have had to override people before. You have to tie the film to Journey--and make it OBVIOUS that it's tied to Journey so that random person in Walmart makes the connection. That basically means you use the title of a hit song. Now, there are certain songs on Revelation that could work, but you lose the recognition. "Never Walk Away: The Arnel Pineda Story" will sell basically nothing. It's all about name recognition, and eventually...money.

Remember...anything that is released is subjected to focus-group testing. Doesn't matter whether it's soft drinks, bathrobes, movies, or whatever. If you don't recognize that, you haven't been around marketing departments.

kgdjpubs wrote:

Lula wrote:
as for the dsb, don't see justification. keep the faith works as well. i see it as capitalizing on the familiarity and legacy. no blame whatsoever to arnel. and i suppose as a film maker i'd might go with something that is known and proven successful. seems to be jrny's m.o. these days lol.

That's pure marketing, and probably pure filmmaker decision with Journey having little say whatsoever in the matter. In making films, I've always had final say on the title--and have had to override people before. You have to tie the film to Journey--and make it OBVIOUS that it's tied to Journey so that random person in Walmart makes the connection. That basically means you use the title of a hit song. Now, there are certain songs on Revelation that could work, but you lose the recognition. "Never Walk Away: The Arnel Pineda Story" will sell basically nothing. It's all about name recognition, and eventually...money.

Remember...anything that is released is subjected to focus-group testing. Doesn't matter whether it's soft drinks, bathrobes, movies, or whatever. If you don't recognize that, you haven't been around marketing departments.

Stop making sense!!!!

Speaking of Arnel giving back, I just read where he made a $25,000 personal donation to the flood victims fund in the Philippines. The world needs more like him. Thanks to Georgio82 for posting it on AP's site.

Gibby wrote:Disagree completely. There is no better title to represent the band's biggest hit and the life story of Arnel Pineda. Arnel's life is an amazing story. It is an ideal title and smart marketing. 'Abomination' is a very strong word to use here regarding a simple movie and a song.

When you're talking about the legacy that the careers of many, many people were built on being cashed in on one subsequent member that nothing to do with the song's commercial success and impact on the music world, yes I think it is an abomination. An abomination of who they were in 1981, how hard they worked to get there, and to the guys involved during that time. It's saying more or less that they couldn't come up with an applicable title other than what they knew would be the biggest and easiest cash cow instead of something that would be subject-appropriate to Arnel.

And I love Arnel to little pieces, so let's not make my opinion about him.

Why doesn't Steve Smith get any love here? The 'predecessor' or the 'legacy voice' gets all the props but SS never gets a shout. He was 1/5th of the instruments on DSB. Perry was 1/5th of the instruments of DSB. 3/5ths are still in Journey. I can't believe people actually disagree with the band Journey using DSB as a title for anything. The song is still very relevant today - still gets downloaded like crazy. Good for Journey and good for Arnel Pineda.

steveo777 wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:

Lula wrote:
as for the dsb, don't see justification. keep the faith works as well. i see it as capitalizing on the familiarity and legacy. no blame whatsoever to arnel. and i suppose as a film maker i'd might go with something that is known and proven successful. seems to be jrny's m.o. these days lol.

That's pure marketing, and probably pure filmmaker decision with Journey having little say whatsoever in the matter. In making films, I've always had final say on the title--and have had to override people before. You have to tie the film to Journey--and make it OBVIOUS that it's tied to Journey so that random person in Walmart makes the connection. That basically means you use the title of a hit song. Now, there are certain songs on Revelation that could work, but you lose the recognition. "Never Walk Away: The Arnel Pineda Story" will sell basically nothing. It's all about name recognition, and eventually...money.

Remember...anything that is released is subjected to focus-group testing. Doesn't matter whether it's soft drinks, bathrobes, movies, or whatever. If you don't recognize that, you haven't been around marketing departments.

Stop making sense!!!!

Oh, forgot that...

now, for a bit of fun...alternate titles using the Greatest Hits...

Only the Young....this just has a bad idea written all over it
Wheel in the Sky...no, not really. Sounds to me like you end up back where you started eventually...
Faithfully....might work for Hallmark love story about life on the road
I'll Be Alright Without You...The break up movie
Any Way You Want It....what exactly do you want?
Ask the Lonely...ok, poverty film. Probably not a good idea
Who's Crying Now....superimpose crying Perry picture on this one
Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)...another break-up film. This would be the blood-splattered R-rated one.
Lights...nothing much here
Lovin Touchin Squeezin...don't think Walmart would carry this film
Open Arms...not much here
Girl Can't Help It....nope
Be Good To Yourself...possibilities, but lesser known. DSB is better.
When You Love a Woman...can't see this one either

Gibby wrote:Why doesn't Steve Smith get any love here? The 'predecessor' or the 'legacy voice' gets all the props but SS never gets a shout. He was 1/5th of the instruments on DSB. Perry was 1/5th of the instruments of DSB. 3/5ths are still in Journey. I can't believe people actually disagree with the band Journey using DSB as a title for anything. The song is still very relevant today - still gets downloaded like crazy. Good for Journey and good for Arnel Pineda.

Exactly my line of thought. Unfortunately some pockets of people are always going to be of the mindset that Steve Perry was Journey and therefore the use of anything that had his participation should be taboo. If SP wouldn't have left we would not be here talking about this to begin with. As far as I'm concerned everthing Journey is fair game now.

hell no you ld know would leave out the bad stuff lipping ect, it would be faux Journey

Great idea. Love the title. SaintJohn is right.

Love Arnel's story. And Cain and Schon can do what they like with DSB, and they are a huge part of Journey, just like Saint Perry can.

Jana wrote:Great idea. Love the title. SaintJohn is right.

Love Arnel's story. And Cain and Schon can do what they like with DSB, and they are a huge part of Journey, just like Saint Perry can.

Actually at this point I wonder what exactly Perry can do with Journey songs? If he suddenly reemerged and started singing Journey tunes would he have to pay royalties to Journey?

steveo777 wrote:

Jana wrote:Great idea. Love the title. SaintJohn is right.

Love Arnel's story. And Cain and Schon can do what they like with DSB, and they are a huge part of Journey, just like Saint Perry can.

Actually at this point I wonder what exactly Perry can do with Journey songs? If he suddenly reemerged and started singing Journey tunes would he have to pay royalties to Journey?

Live performances are not included....other than the performance fees that the venue negotiates.

But if Perry were to perform a Journey song in video or movie than YES, Journey would get paid....

Please explain why Don't Stop Believing is not subject appropriate to Arnel's life - or to anyone's life that has overcome long odds and huge hurdles - that never stopped believing in a dream? To me it seems to go hand in hand.

I get the whole Perry thing - some will never let it go I guess (not saying you Rhiannon). But the other two writers of DSB have been busting their asses touring across the country and outside the US for over a decade now, entertaining millions along the way, giving people like me the chance to get out and hear Journey live, and still making new music. I say they have every right to use DSB in any way they want. I think it's a lot better than staying at home and cashing in on residual checks.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Love the idea. It's a Schon, Cain and Perry song, so if 2/3 of the song's creators are ok with it, then so am I.

There i$ only one rea$on that two-third$ of the $ong'$ creator$ are ok with u$ing "Don't $top Believin'" a$ the title.

Precisely.

This is an "Arnel rags to riches story." They are getting plenty of mileage out of that train, so why not try and keep it rollin'? Arnel had nothing whatsoever to do with DSB so I find the title pretty transparent. This is all about making $$$. Nothing shocking or surprising about that. Money is the motivator for many people, and if integrity gets tossed under that same train in the process.....whatever.

Lora wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Love the idea. It's a Schon, Cain and Perry song, so if 2/3 of the song's creators are ok with it, then so am I.

There i$ only one rea$on that two-third$ of the $ong'$ creator$ are ok with u$ing "Don't $top Believin'" a$ the title.

Precisely.

This is an "Arnel rags to riches story." They are getting plenty of mileage out of that train, so why not try and keep it rollin'? Arnel had nothing whatsoever to do with DSB so I find the title pretty transparent. This is all about making $$$. Nothing shocking or surprising about that. Money is the motivator for many people, and if integrity gets tossed under that same train in the process.....whatever.

I see no integrity issue with the use of this song, so we shouldn't be going there with this. It's a Journey song, not a song Perry has sole rights to. This really weighs in on people's beliefs and opinions more than it does an ethical or legal issue, ie., the loons vs. pinheads.

I'm sorry, I don't see how an independent filmmaker making a movie about Arnel's life and using the title Don't Stop Believing shows a lack of integrity on the part of Journey? It's OK to use it in the Sopranos' and on Glee, but not for this movie??

Writer(s) Jonathan Cain, Steve Perry, Neal Schon


2 out of the 3 are still in Journey (including what appears to be the main writer) so I don't see the problem.


What I do see is Sour Grapes.


They (or the film makers) have the right to call it whatever they want.

Gibby wrote:Please explain why Don't Stop Believing is not subject appropriate to Arnel's life - or to anyone's life that has overcome long odds and huge hurdles - that never stopped believing in a dream? To me it seems to go hand in hand.

I get the whole Perry thing - some will never let it go I guess (not saying you Rhiannon). But the other two writers of DSB have been busting their asses touring across the country and outside the US for over a decade now, entertaining millions along the way, giving people like me the chance to get out and hear Journey live, and still making new music. I say they have every right to use DSB in any way they want. I think it's a lot better than staying at home and cashing in on residual checks.

Actually the title is a perfect theme relating to his life story, it’s all about his dreams and how he able to accomplished it. However, my question is why does the film maker pick a tile which was obviously related to Journey’s past history? Don’t you think it’s better for the band and Arnel to start a new beginning and let Steve Perry’s ghost be freed. As I mentioned on my previous post, they can pick any title that some haters won’t criticize the band or step on hard core SP fans because the song was so sacred that other fans are still expecting for the second coming of Holy Perry. I’ll bet you, even if they picked a title other than these SP legacy songs, this DVD will still sell especially from the new fans and from Arnel’s good cause.

I kind of have a thing with it being *Arnel fans* and *JRNY fans*..why can't it just be Journey fans...but that's just me, and what do I know.

But, I do know that the Arnel story is a phenominal story, makes me tear up. One child coming from where he started out to where he is today...AND, all that he's giving back added to the mix. Plus, if you've ever met him, you know that he's a sweet sweet, honest & lovely man. He's the real deal. He's truly pure.

No better way to describe what has happened to him than to use one of Journey's best known songs...Don't Stop Beliving...it's perfect. It gives hope.

steveo777 wrote:

Lora wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Love the idea. It's a Schon, Cain and Perry song, so if 2/3 of the song's creators are ok with it, then so am I.

There i$ only one rea$on that two-third$ of the $ong'$ creator$ are ok with u$ing "Don't $top Believin'" a$ the title.

Precisely.

This is an "Arnel rags to riches story." They are getting plenty of mileage out of that train, so why not try and keep it rollin'? Arnel had nothing whatsoever to do with DSB so I find the title pretty transparent. This is all about making $$$. Nothing shocking or surprising about that. Money is the motivator for many people, and if integrity gets tossed under that same train in the process.....whatever.

I see no integrity issue with the use of this song, so we shouldn't be going there with this. It's a Journey song, not a song Perry has sole rights to. This really weighs in on people's beliefs and opinions more than it does an ethical or legal issue, ie., the loons vs. pinheads.

I said nothing about Steve Perry or legalities as neither have anything to do with this. Obviously it is a matter of one's beliefs & opinions and I just stated mine.