MR

Although the guys well deserve a much needed break, I'm not so sure it'll be a good idea to be away for too long. I hope they'll at least be doing some press appearances coinciding with the release of the upcoming documentary. What's the story on that anyway...has that been picked up by Hollywood? Just curious...



Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone!

John D.

Hopefully forever

Enigma869 wrote:Hopefully forever

+1

Enigma869 wrote:Hopefully forever

Nope. They've got guys that love what they do and not ones that "think about it all the time."

I'd say Journey still has about 8 solid years of touring left, depending on how the Arnel era goes. If it keeps up momentum then they would crush the year 8 mark, paving the way for Perry's 1 show, DVD filmed reunion.

YoungJRNY wrote:I'd say Journey still has about 8 solid years of touring left

I'm not sure that they could find enough lead singers over the course of that many years

YoungJRNY wrote:I'd say Journey still has about 8 solid years of touring left, depending on how the Arnel era goes. If it keeps up momentum then they would crush the year 8 mark, paving the way for Perry's 1 show, DVD filmed reunion.

Perry will be 68. By then no reunion will happen. His voice after all these years of no live performances (I assume he will do none solo in the eight years), there will be no way. Jon said he sees ten more years with Journey. I agree with you. I definitely see eight years with them and a couple of years off in that eight years.

Enigma869 wrote:

YoungJRNY wrote:I'd say Journey still has about 8 solid years of touring left

I'm not sure that they could find enough lead singers over the course of that many years

ye of little faith.

I would bet that one of the "Glee" singers would be available.

Jana wrote:

YoungJRNY wrote:I'd say Journey still has about 8 solid years of touring left, depending on how the Arnel era goes. If it keeps up momentum then they would crush the year 8 mark, paving the way for Perry's 1 show, DVD filmed reunion.

Perry will be 68. By then no reunion will happen. His voice after all these years of no live performances (I assume he will do none solo in the eight years), there will be no way. Jon said he sees ten more years with Journey. I agree with you. I definitely see eight years with them and a couple of years off in that eight years.

I was just kidding with Perry. Perry and Journey will never be seen again on one stage. But 8-10 years is Journey's lifespan as of right now. They certainly have the quality and health to do it, as well as a front man in his early 40's. Hopefully by then they'd be elected in the R.N.R.H.O.F.

Yeah, since Perry chooses to sit on his ass and just bait his fans, I guess the only thing to do is to slam the present incarnation who is actually working and doing well.



There's room for both...

I've always been an advocate of 'keep the team alive'...meaning that a marketable entity should live as long as there's a market for it.

Some think that Journey should have stopped when Perry was no longer in the lineup, yet NS has found a way to keep going. Some think that Journey will stop when Schon is gone...but arthritis will give us that date. Ha.

I once heard Sebastian Bach say that he wanted his son, Paris, to grow into fronting Skid Row. I always liked that. Even though it hasn't worked that way, the theory is good.

In other words, I don't see why Journey - as a band, as a company, as a signature music source, can't continue for as long as people want it too.

I go back to my player/coach theory. I've always had a problem with Perry just quitting. There's no way, imo, that Perry couldn't have moved from touring frontman to studio producer...and even studio voice when necessary. Much like a Broadway production that has many flavours of cast and tourning cast, I can honestly see Journey doing the same. Why couldn't Perry have groomed his own replacement? And why can't Schon and/or Cain. Some think that DC and RV are more replaceable, but they can do the same. Look at the sports team analogy - players become coaches, and the teams live on.

Why can't Perry, Schon, Rolie, Valory, Smith/Castronovo, and maybe even HH himself, come together as a production company and still make Journey music? There's gobs of cash out there, and apparently the world has yet to tire of this music, so why not capitalize on it as a major marketing force?

Yes, there will always be the classic lineup, and several flavours that each of us like better than another. But I do believe that 'Journey' can live and evolve as long as the marketing is right and the public hungry.


later~

Arkansas wrote:I've always been an advocate of 'keep the team alive'...meaning that a marketable entity should live as long as there's a market for it.

Some think that Journey should have stopped when Perry was no longer in the lineup, yet NS has found a way to keep going. Some think that Journey will stop when Schon is gone...but arthritis will give us that date. Ha.

I once heard Sebastian Bach say that he wanted his son, Paris, to grow into fronting Skid Row. I always liked that. Even though it hasn't worked that way, the theory is good.

In other words, I don't see why Journey - as a band, as a company, as a signature music source, can't continue for as long as people want it too.

I go back to my player/coach theory. I've always had a problem with Perry just quitting. There's no way, imo, that Perry couldn't have moved from touring frontman to studio producer...and even studio voice when necessary. Much like a Broadway production that has many flavours of cast and tourning cast, I can honestly see Journey doing the same. Why couldn't Perry have groomed his own replacement? And why can't Schon and/or Cain. Some think that DC and RV are more replaceable, but they can do the same. Look at the sports team analogy - players become coaches, and the teams live on.

Why can't Perry, Schon, Rolie, Valory, Smith/Castronovo, and maybe even HH himself, come together as a production company and still make Journey music? There's gobs of cash out there, and apparently the world has yet to tire of this music, so why not capitalize on it as a major marketing force?

Yes, there will always be the classic lineup, and several flavours that each of us like better than another. But I do believe that 'Journey' can live and evolve as long as the marketing is right and the public hungry.


later~

Good post Ark.

The signature sound of Journey, like VH, Rush and other classic rock acts is one that people yearn for. Although what you propose was theoretically possible, it rings too much of a manufactured band ala The Monkees, Spice Girls and N-Sync.

Schon "kinda" did it by trying to replace Perry but haphazard so it seems. Definitely not from a place of planning although he got lucky with AP's pubilicity.

The magic of the originals is gone. Perry, Schon and Rolie/Cain as writing contributors together.

Arkansas wrote:I've always been an advocate of 'keep the team alive'...meaning that a marketable entity should live as long as there's a market for it.

Some think that Journey should have stopped when Perry was no longer in the lineup, yet NS has found a way to keep going. Some think that Journey will stop when Schon is gone...but arthritis will give us that date. Ha.

I once heard Sebastian Bach say that he wanted his son, Paris, to grow into fronting Skid Row. I always liked that. Even though it hasn't worked that way, the theory is good.

In other words, I don't see why Journey - as a band, as a company, as a signature music source, can't continue for as long as people want it too.

I go back to my player/coach theory. I've always had a problem with Perry just quitting. There's no way, imo, that Perry couldn't have moved from touring frontman to studio producer...and even studio voice when necessary. Much like a Broadway production that has many flavours of cast and tourning cast, I can honestly see Journey doing the same. Why couldn't Perry have groomed his own replacement? And why can't Schon and/or Cain. Some think that DC and RV are more replaceable, but they can do the same. Look at the sports team analogy - players become coaches, and the teams live on.

Why can't Perry, Schon, Rolie, Valory, Smith/Castronovo, and maybe even HH himself, come together as a production company and still make Journey music? There's gobs of cash out there, and apparently the world has yet to tire of this music, so why not capitalize on it as a major marketing force?

Yes, there will always be the classic lineup, and several flavours that each of us like better than another. But I do believe that 'Journey' can live and evolve as long as the marketing is right and the public hungry.


later~

As ideal as that would be, it would make as much sense to coach your ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend and to hang out with both of them all the time. There's just too much bad blood there.

Arkansas wrote:
Why can't Perry, Schon, Rolie, Valory, Smith/Castronovo, and maybe even HH himself, come together as a production company and still make Journey music? There's gobs of cash out there, and apparently the world has yet to tire of this music, so why not capitalize on it as a major marketing force?~

YUP.

Personally, I'm glad Journey is still doing what they're doing. I'm glad to have what they continue to release as opposed to just waiting... and waiting.... and waiting....

Arkansas wrote:I've always been an advocate of 'keep the team alive'...meaning that a marketable entity should live as long as there's a market for it.

Some think that Journey should have stopped when Perry was no longer in the lineup, yet NS has found a way to keep going. Some think that Journey will stop when Schon is gone...but arthritis will give us that date. Ha.

I once heard Sebastian Bach say that he wanted his son, Paris, to grow into fronting Skid Row. I always liked that. Even though it hasn't worked that way, the theory is good.

In other words, I don't see why Journey - as a band, as a company, as a signature music source, can't continue for as long as people want it too.

I go back to my player/coach theory. I've always had a problem with Perry just quitting. There's no way, imo, that Perry couldn't have moved from touring frontman to studio producer...and even studio voice when necessary. Much like a Broadway production that has many flavours of cast and tourning cast, I can honestly see Journey doing the same. Why couldn't Perry have groomed his own replacement? And why can't Schon and/or Cain. Some think that DC and RV are more replaceable, but they can do the same. Look at the sports team analogy - players become coaches, and the teams live on.

Why can't Perry, Schon, Rolie, Valory, Smith/Castronovo, and maybe even HH himself, come together as a production company and still make Journey music? There's gobs of cash out there, and apparently the world has yet to tire of this music, so why not capitalize on it as a major marketing force?

Yes, there will always be the classic lineup, and several flavours that each of us like better than another. But I do believe that 'Journey' can live and evolve as long as the marketing is right and the public hungry.


later~

This is the thinking behind the latin group Menudo.

ttango1 wrote:

Arkansas wrote:I've always been an advocate of 'keep the team alive'...meaning that a marketable entity should live as long as there's a market for it.

Yes, there will always be the classic lineup, and several flavours that each of us like better than another. But I do believe that 'Journey' can live and evolve as long as the marketing is right and the public hungry.


later~

This is the thinking behind the latin group Menudo.

So how's that any different than the way it is?!?! *wink*

Michigan Girl wrote:

ttango1 wrote:

Arkansas wrote:I've always been an advocate of 'keep the team alive'...meaning that a marketable entity should live as long as there's a market for it.

Yes, there will always be the classic lineup, and several flavours that each of us like better than another. But I do believe that 'Journey' can live and evolve as long as the marketing is right and the public hungry.


later~

This is the thinking behind the latin group Menudo.

So how's that any different than the way it is?!?! *wink*

I'd be fine if they just stopped right now. If they did somehow continue on for another 10 years, how many more singers will they need to complete that? You honestly think Arnel is going to give them 12 years? Wrong. I'd like to see more meaningful solo stuff from the guys, with the occasional reunion.

Onestepper wrote:I'd be fine if they just stopped right now. If they did somehow continue on for another 10 years, how many more singers will they need to complete that? You honestly think Arnel is going to give them 12 years? Wrong. I'd like to see more meaningful solo stuff from the guys, with the occasional reunion.

I could see another eight years, with a two or three years off during that period.

Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

slucero wrote:Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

Sorry, but that's not going to happen.

Onestepper wrote:

slucero wrote:Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

Sorry, but that's not going to happen.

you seem so sure... care to provide the Lotto numbers with that?

slucero wrote:Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

1. He will not gain more power

2. Disagree wholeheartedly about his not needing Journey aspect in Asia. Yes, he's more known, but he will be just another flash in the pan when his time with Journey is up and his connection to American fame is done. What do you think he's gonna do? Run around singing to MIDI backing tracks for 15 years after Journey hangs it up in another few years here?

slucero wrote:Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

Where are you getting some of this stuff? They don't need to tour Asia exclusively for the next five years to make money. They do very well in the U.S, with a month of Europe. Their Asia tour had small venues, except Manila.
AP is a star in Asia, but he's on small shows here and there and no big hit solo. He could fade easily over there as time goes on without the cache of the Journey name if he left too soon.

I believe Journey has taken numerous steps this year to protect his voice, spacing out shows, tuning down a half step, taking a year off. The power may come in time re him helping to choose songs for touring as his voice deteriorates due to age and touring as far as what he can and cannot due anymore songwise. I do believe Journey needs AP to be this successful as he's developing many fans due to his great voice and publicity, but if Arnel left in five years, I could still see them having a successful tour with someone else for several years. But this is their second chance re DVDs and albums and they're grabbing it, and I don't expect to see that again after Arnel at their age.

Ehwmatt wrote:

slucero wrote:Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

1. He will not gain more power

2. Disagree wholeheartedly about his not needing Journey aspect in Asia. Yes, he's more known, but he will be just another flash in the pan when his time with Journey is up and his connection to American fame is done. What do you think he's gonna do? Run around singing to MIDI backing tracks for 15 years after Journey hangs it up in another few years here?

He'll just do what the other Asian singing stars (like Charice) do... sing. Singing Journey songs isn't the only thing Arnel can sing.... his range makes him pretty versatile, style wise...

And the US isn't the be-all and end-all of singers....

There's 4 Billion in Asia... and 800 Million in the North America and South America... the math alone favors AP in Asia .....

slucero wrote:

Onestepper wrote:

slucero wrote:Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

Sorry, but that's not going to happen.

you seem so sure... care to provide the Lotto numbers with that?

I don't need to. I'm running with a full bag of common sense. No lottery involved.

Jana wrote:

slucero wrote:Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

Where are you getting some of this stuff? They don't need to tour Asia exclusively for the next five years to make money. They do very well in the U.S, with a month of Europe. Their Asia tour had small venues, except Manila.
AP is a star in Asia, but he's on small shows here and there and no big hit solo. He could fade easily over there as time goes on without the cache of the Journey name if he left too soon.

I believe Journey has taken numerous steps this year to protect his voice, spacing out shows, tuning down a half step, taking a year off. The power may come in time re him helping to choose songs for touring as his voice deteriorates due to age and touring as far as what he can and cannot due anymore songwise. I do believe Journey needs AP to be this successful as he's developing many fans due to his great voice and publicity, but if Arnel left in five years, I could still see them having a successful tour with someone else for several years. But this is their second chance re DVDs and albums and they're grabbing it, and I don't expect to see that again after Arnel at their age.

He speaks like someone who lives on an Island and all the isolation that entails. Hey, Slucero, does your internet get America and UK?

slucero wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

slucero wrote:Wow that's a tough call...

Journey needs AP to be successful, period.

AP's now a star by himself in Asia... and he doesn't need Journey to do well there.

With the way the economy is going Journey will need to tour Asia exclusively for the next 5 years to make any money.... which would only blow AP up even more and ironically create a whole new "riding on the singers coattails" scenario for Journey... and most likely a new slew of "Journey isn't just the singer" arguments...

AP's star rising will give him power in the band... and set the stage for AP to assert more control to protect his voice.

Will history repeat itself?

1. He will not gain more power

2. Disagree wholeheartedly about his not needing Journey aspect in Asia. Yes, he's more known, but he will be just another flash in the pan when his time with Journey is up and his connection to American fame is done. What do you think he's gonna do? Run around singing to MIDI backing tracks for 15 years after Journey hangs it up in another few years here?

He'll just do what the other Asian singing stars (like Charice) do... sing. Singing Journey songs isn't the only thing Arnel can sing.... his range makes him pretty versatile, style wise...

And the US isn't the be-all and end-all of singers....

There's 4 Billion in Asia... and 300 Million in the US... the math alone favors AP in Asia .....

Charice is young. Arnel is heading into his twilight years as a singer. He will always have the respect over there from fronting an international band, but that won't translate into huge numbers seeing him in concert at his age. Even many of his Filipino fans on his site talk about the fickleness of the Asian market being geared towards young, hot acts, and them not appreciating Arnel. Not that he won't be happy after his Journey tenure is up. Arnel isn't materialistic. He will command respect over there and still be on some of these shows and such and probably do small tours here in the states and Asia, like he did on his charity tour, but he's not going to be a big star in his late forties selling out huge shows without Journey, nor do I see him having a huge hit album, unless it's an album of covers, which his fans seem to really want from him. Maybe doing something like Rod Stewart is doing re covers would sell well for him.

guess only time will tell.