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Going through the canon here, I'm hard pressed to find any Journey tune that has really had a strong potential for crossover into the R&B/gospel arena. I'm not talking blues here, just to be clear. Two examples from other groups would be Foreigner's I want to know what love is, and REO's I wish you were there. Does Journey have anything along those lines? Is it something to contemplate doing on their next release just to show some initiative outside the box?

I Wish You Were There...one of my most favorite songs ever!!

Sweet & Simple!!!
Can anyone out there do that one?!?!....always had a gospel feel to me!!:wink:

Michigan Girl wrote:I Wish You Were There...one of my most favorite songs ever!!

Sweet & Simple!!!
Can anyone out there do that one?!?!....always had a gospel feel to me!!:wink:

would Paiently work??? or too late? Feeling that way... ooooh... girl cant help it???

Nope. Not even close. Perhaps, One More Time.

lights1961 wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:I Wish You Were There...one of my most favorite songs ever!!

Sweet & Simple!!!
Can anyone out there do that one?!?!....always had a gospel feel to me!!:wink:

would Paiently work??? or too late? Feeling that way... ooooh... girl cant help it???

PATIENTLY...PERFECT!!

Some have said "Knowing That You Love Me" has a strong Boys2Men R&B vibe.
If they write another song like that, fine, but I don't think this is musical territory the band needs to explore.
The margin of experimentation for Journey is very narrow.
Even the hard approach of Red 13 ticked off fans.

And who will sing those tunes? Who has the kind of voice that can actually sing an R&B tune?

Marabelle wrote:And who will sing those tunes? Who has the kind of voice that can actually sing an R&B tune?

Too bad we didn't discuss this when the voice was around...he was the man for this project!!

Easy To Fall

Marabelle wrote:And who will sing those tunes? Who has the kind of voice that can actually sing an R&B tune?

Isn't Arnel's claim to fame his ability to be a vocal chameleon? People say he sings with a lot of soul. Kevin Cronin isn't actually that type of singer but it's more to do with arrangements and having the choir in the back round and the whole package, not just the lead singer trying to sound like a brother.

I'm sure even Arnel would admit it would be a long stretch for him to do an R&B tune and make you believe it. I think R&B and I think of Luther Vandross when he was alive.

Sweet and Simple and Easy to Fall are my studio votes.
The intro to Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' from the ROR tour was pure gospel. I can almost see them wearing long red robes when I hear this version. All that was missing was the Harlem Gospel Choir.

Well, in my never-to-be-humble opinion, I'd say LTS has/had definite potential, especially when it's taken down a step. I also think "I'll Be Alright Without You", "Once You Love Somebody" and "Happy to Give" could easily make the leap to R&B.

If LTS was truly an original tune, I could agree but to me, that song has plagiarization written all over it.

Gunbot wrote:If LTS was truly an original tune, I could agree but to me, that song has plagiarization written all over it.

Details, details...

Some people think that with minor changes, What I Needed could very well be a gospel song.

Missing something in my life
Searching for it day and night
Couldn't seem to get it right
'Til you walked my way
Leaving lovers one by one
Didn't like who I'd become
Couldn't face myself, I turn and run
Made me see that I could change

Out of my darkness
As I step into the light
We get a new day
Taking one step at a time

You were what I needed
I was falling
Hiding my emotion
You made me see the truth
Your love was what I needed
Hear me calling
Waiting for a lifetime
Girl, you were my rescue
All I needed was you

I used to always get my way
Told me that you wouldn't stay
Had to face it, what you had to say
If I wanted you
You tell me when I did you wrong
I guess I've known it all along
Cared enough and you stood strong
I believed in you

In my frustrations
Tried to become someone else
The years I've wasted
I'd been lying to myself

You were what I needed
I was falling
Hiding my emotion
You made me see the truth
Your love was what I needed
Hear me calling
Waiting for a lifetime
Hear me calling
What I needed
What I needed was you

In you I found shelter
How you believed in me, stood strong
You were there through my darkest hour
You lifted my spirit up
Brought out the best in me
And now I'll stand before you with all my love

You were what I needed
I was falling
Hiding my emotion
But you made me see the truth
Your love was what I needed
Hear me calling
Waiting for a lifetime
Girl you were my rescue
What I needed was you

Chubby321 wrote:Some people think that with minor changes, What I Needed could very well be a gospel song.

Missing something in my life
Searching for it day and night
Couldn't seem to get it right
'Til you walked my way
Leaving lovers one by one
Didn't like who I'd become
Couldn't face myself, I turn and run
Made me see that I could change

Out of my darkness
As I step into the light
We get a new day
Taking one step at a time

You were what I needed
I was falling
Hiding my emotion
You made me see the truth
Your love was what I needed
Hear me calling
Waiting for a lifetime
Girl, you were my rescue
All I needed was you

I used to always get my way
Told me that you wouldn't stay
Had to face it, what you had to say
If I wanted you
You tell me when I did you wrong
I guess I've known it all along
Cared enough and you stood strong
I believed in you

In my frustrations
Tried to become someone else
The years I've wasted
I'd been lying to myself

You were what I needed
I was falling
Hiding my emotion
You made me see the truth
Your love was what I needed
Hear me calling
Waiting for a lifetime
Hear me calling
What I needed
What I needed was you

In you I found shelter
How you believed in me, stood strong
You were there through my darkest hour
You lifted my spirit up
Brought out the best in me
And now I'll stand before you with all my love

You were what I needed
I was falling
Hiding my emotion
But you made me see the truth
Your love was what I needed
Hear me calling
Waiting for a lifetime
Girl you were my rescue
What I needed was you

Was that written for someone???? oh never mind!!!

Gunbot wrote:If LTS was truly an original tune, I could agree but to me, that song has plagiarization written all over it.

Because of four intro words?!?!?

In that case, so does about 80% of everything ever written after the Beatles.

Well, this is not on one of their official albums, but SP goes gospel here...(goosebumps):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ArH6LlH8bw

Art Vandelay wrote:

Gunbot wrote:If LTS was truly an original tune, I could agree but to me, that song has plagiarization written all over it.

Because of four intro words?!?!?

In that case, so does about 80% of everything ever written after the Beatles.

Four words and perhaps a bit of the melody?

Gunbot wrote:

Art Vandelay wrote:

Gunbot wrote:If LTS was truly an original tune, I could agree but to me, that song has plagiarization written all over it.

Because of four intro words?!?!?

In that case, so does about 80% of everything ever written after the Beatles.

Four words and perhaps a bit of the melody?

Absolutely. Paying homage to...yes. Plagiarization...hell no.

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quote="annie89509"]Well, this is not on one of their official albums, but SP goes gospel here...(goosebumps):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ArH6LlH8bw

[/quote] Annie, that was beautiful.

Gunbot wrote:Going through the canon here, I'm hard pressed to find any Journey tune that has really had a strong potential for crossover into the R&B/gospel arena. I'm not talking blues here, just to be clear. Two examples from other groups would be Foreigner's I want to know what love is, and REO's I wish you were there. Does Journey have anything along those lines? Is it something to contemplate doing on their next release just to show some initiative outside the box?

I think "Sunshower's" harmonies are VERY gospel. So is "Easy to Fall" from TBF. Lyrically, they're not, but they have that gospel feel musically to me. "Easy to Fall" is one of the great unknown Journey tracks. Best song on TBF for my money. I also think "Sunshower" takes a lot of flack. It's certainly a better song than some others I could name.

brywool wrote:

Gunbot wrote:Going through the canon here, I'm hard pressed to find any Journey tune that has really had a strong potential for crossover into the R&B/gospel arena. I'm not talking blues here, just to be clear. Two examples from other groups would be Foreigner's I want to know what love is, and REO's I wish you were there. Does Journey have anything along those lines? Is it something to contemplate doing on their next release just to show some initiative outside the box?

I think "Sunshower's" harmonies are VERY gospel. So is "Easy to Fall" from TBF. Lyrically, they're not, but they have that gospel feel musically to me. "Easy to Fall" is one of the great unknown Journey tracks. Best song on TBF for my money. I also think "Sunshower" takes a lot of flack. It's certainly a better song than some others I could name.

I really like Like A Sunshower, love the updated but retro feel to the song. Easy to Fall really good, too.

maybe live and breathe????

Lots of the Trial By Fire stuff has a gospel feel to it.

KDOUBLEU wrote:Lots of the Trial By Fire stuff has a gospel feel to it.

Much of the album has an anesthetic feel to it.

Interesting that you said that about TBF. It's such a sad and depressing CD. It's very beautiful but sad. And I thought to myself there had to be songs on it that had a gospel flavor and there are a few; cept I can't seem to name one. Gospel songs are songs about overcoming; surviving and conquering. IMO, alot of TBF just seemed to be about surviving.

Marabelle wrote:...Perhaps, One More Time.

Incidentally, was reminded of Somewhere There's Hope...eerily driving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7dPkpvphX8