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so i know many are not a fan of this record and i haven't listened to it until very recently. my little one came across a few of the many copies i have, needless to say we are hearing a lot of the record lately. i forgot how much i enjoyed a few tunes- the first two of course, but also "knowing that you love me" and "beyond the clouds." sure brings back a boat load of great memories. maybe we can discuss the good

Good point, Lula. I really like some songs off of it, but as a whole not a great album and don't like all the different voices on it.

Lula wrote:maybe we can discuss the good

That won't take long!

lol, well i know redjoe likes it! wyatt says "schon" now. too bad i'm not doing the 'journey thing' anymore. wyatt sings separate ways, it is pretty damn sweet!

Lula wrote:lol, well i know redjoe likes it! wyatt says "schon" now. too bad i'm not doing the 'journey thing' anymore. wyatt sings separate ways, it is pretty damn sweet!

Against my fucking wishes. He better not ever catch me hearing him mutter the words "Schon." Fuck that noise. I'll make sure he never ever says that shit again. In fact I am throwing all the leftover Journey shit in the garbage can tomorrow morning after the old lady leaves for work.

FITH, PIYH, Beyond The Clouds, and Never Too Late are great tracks. Out Of Harm's way is a nice change of sound and In Self Defense is a fun song (but not a Journey song). Not nearly as bad as advertised. For me, the shit factor for the album has always been the sound quality. I had friends in high school making higher fidelity records 8 years ago and that was before home recording computer software was anywhere near as powerful as it was today.

Rockindeano wrote:Against my fucking wishes.

Great name for a breakup song!

Saint John wrote:

Lula wrote:maybe we can discuss the good

That won't take long!

The best songs on Gens still anally rape Revelation. I basically only listen to NWA these days.

Ehwmatt wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Lula wrote:maybe we can discuss the good

That won't take long!

The best songs on Gens still anally rape Revelation. I basically only listen to NWA these days.

I like NWA, AATY, WDILYL and TDTWT. Generations... not one song.

Saint John wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Lula wrote:maybe we can discuss the good

That won't take long!

The best songs on Gens still anally rape Revelation. I basically only listen to NWA these days.

I like NWA

Good tune

Saint John wrote:AATY

Not fit to be aborted by a crack addict

Saint John wrote:WDILYL

Great song if I was still shitting in diapers, i.e. it was 1986

Saint John wrote: TDTWT.

Good tune, I just rarely throw on a ballad for the hell of it these days, especially an AOR ballad. Much more into soul/pop ballad if I do.

Saint John wrote:Generations... not one song.

Well, there's no cure for bad taste

Saint John wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Lula wrote:maybe we can discuss the good

That won't take long!

The best songs on Gens still anally rape Revelation. I basically only listen to NWA these days.

I like NWA, AATY, WDILYL and TDTWT. Generations... not one song.

I definitely like those four. AATY has really grown on me a lot; whereas, in the beginning I didn't love it. And I really like CFTB. And I really love WIN extended version live. Just okay on the album. Wait, I forgot, I love Like a Sunshower.

Ehwmatt wrote:FITH, PIYH, Beyond The Clouds, and Never Too Late are great tracks. Out Of Harm's way is a nice change of sound and In Self Defense is a fun song (but not a Journey song). Not nearly as bad as advertised. For me, the shit factor for the album has always been the sound quality. I had friends in high school making higher fidelity records 8 years ago and that was before home recording computer software was anywhere near as powerful as it was today.

I always considered Generations about half of a great Journey album. Augeri described it as sort of a last-minute throw together, and it sounds like that. Take the best of Generations (Faith, Place, Better Life, Beyond the Clouds, Out of Harms Way, Never Too Late, maybe one or two others) and some of the Red 13 songs. Red 13 had promise, but was well extended into a jam session and was severely in need of a producer to reign it in to find the "Journey sound" in the material. Longer isn't necessarily better, and the right producer would fix that.

Get a producer in there to cut the songs down to size, write your melodic Journey choruses for the Red 13 material (minus Walking... which is fine the way it is), let Augeri/Castronovo do all the lead vocals, produce/mix it right and you have a nice, heavy, rocking album. It would be a bit darker lyrically than your average fluffy Journey cd, but pretty close to the Frontiers-era rocking sound.

kgdjpubs wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:FITH, PIYH, Beyond The Clouds, and Never Too Late are great tracks. Out Of Harm's way is a nice change of sound and In Self Defense is a fun song (but not a Journey song). Not nearly as bad as advertised. For me, the shit factor for the album has always been the sound quality. I had friends in high school making higher fidelity records 8 years ago and that was before home recording computer software was anywhere near as powerful as it was today.

I always considered Generations about half of a great Journey album. Augeri described it as sort of a last-minute throw together, and it sounds like that. Take the best of Generations (Faith, Place, Better Life, Beyond the Clouds, Out of Harms Way, Never Too Late, maybe one or two others) and some of the Red 13 songs. Red 13 had promise, but was well extended into a jam session and was severely in need of a producer to reign it in to find the "Journey sound" in the material. Longer isn't necessarily better, and the right producer would fix that.

Get a producer in there to cut the songs down to size, write your melodic Journey choruses for the Red 13 material (minus Walking... which is fine the way it is), let Augeri/Castronovo do all the lead vocals, produce/mix it right and you have a nice, heavy, rocking album. It would be a bit darker lyrically than your average fluffy Journey cd, but pretty close to the Frontiers-era rocking sound.

I like that idea... or alternatively, Walking Away From The Edge and State of Grace from Red 13 and perhaps a strong track or two from Rev, along with the best half of Gens. That'd be a very good album.

For all the talk about Generations stinkers like Every Generation and Gone Crazy, it amazes me that there isn't more talk about how laughably bad a song like What It Takes To Win is... that's gotta be one of the worst Journey tunes of all time, up there with Back Talk and the aforementioned Generations tunes.

Ehwmatt wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:FITH, PIYH, Beyond The Clouds, and Never Too Late are great tracks. Out Of Harm's way is a nice change of sound and In Self Defense is a fun song (but not a Journey song). Not nearly as bad as advertised. For me, the shit factor for the album has always been the sound quality. I had friends in high school making higher fidelity records 8 years ago and that was before home recording computer software was anywhere near as powerful as it was today.

I always considered Generations about half of a great Journey album. Augeri described it as sort of a last-minute throw together, and it sounds like that. Take the best of Generations (Faith, Place, Better Life, Beyond the Clouds, Out of Harms Way, Never Too Late, maybe one or two others) and some of the Red 13 songs. Red 13 had promise, but was well extended into a jam session and was severely in need of a producer to reign it in to find the "Journey sound" in the material. Longer isn't necessarily better, and the right producer would fix that.

Get a producer in there to cut the songs down to size, write your melodic Journey choruses for the Red 13 material (minus Walking... which is fine the way it is), let Augeri/Castronovo do all the lead vocals, produce/mix it right and you have a nice, heavy, rocking album. It would be a bit darker lyrically than your average fluffy Journey cd, but pretty close to the Frontiers-era rocking sound.

I like that idea... or alternatively, Walking Away From The Edge and State of Grace from Red 13 and perhaps a strong track or two from Rev, along with the best half of Gens. That'd be a very good album.

For all the talk about Generations stinkers like Every Generation and Gone Crazy, it amazes me that there isn't more talk about how laughably bad a song like What It Takes To Win is... that's gotta be one of the worst Journey tunes of all time, up there with Back Talk and the aforementioned Generations tunes.

I always thought The Time from Red 13 had strong promise if you did a re-write of the chorus, and get a producer to cut it down to about 5min length. Lyrically, it was one of the best on Red13. State of Grace was similar, though closer to a finished product than The Time was. Walking Away... was a great dark non-commercial song that is a great "album track".

As far as Gone Crazy goes, Augeri mentioned there was a version with him on vocals that was supposedly more Led Zeppelin-ish, and I'd be interested to see how that sounded. It's not a bad song per se, but just TOTALLY out of place with Ross vocals on the album. The Augeri-vocal version might have worked, but I guess we'll never know.

On What It Takes...., decent instrumentally, but it's at rock bottom for lyrics. They would have been better served putting the Arnel version of Place in Your Heart in its place.

kgdjpubs wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:FITH, PIYH, Beyond The Clouds, and Never Too Late are great tracks. Out Of Harm's way is a nice change of sound and In Self Defense is a fun song (but not a Journey song). Not nearly as bad as advertised. For me, the shit factor for the album has always been the sound quality. I had friends in high school making higher fidelity records 8 years ago and that was before home recording computer software was anywhere near as powerful as it was today.

I always considered Generations about half of a great Journey album. Augeri described it as sort of a last-minute throw together, and it sounds like that. Take the best of Generations (Faith, Place, Better Life, Beyond the Clouds, Out of Harms Way, Never Too Late, maybe one or two others) and some of the Red 13 songs. Red 13 had promise, but was well extended into a jam session and was severely in need of a producer to reign it in to find the "Journey sound" in the material. Longer isn't necessarily better, and the right producer would fix that.

Get a producer in there to cut the songs down to size, write your melodic Journey choruses for the Red 13 material (minus Walking... which is fine the way it is), let Augeri/Castronovo do all the lead vocals, produce/mix it right and you have a nice, heavy, rocking album. It would be a bit darker lyrically than your average fluffy Journey cd, but pretty close to the Frontiers-era rocking sound.

great points and both of them singing, definitely, but not the others.

Lula wrote:so i know many are not a fan of this record and i haven't listened to it until very recently. my little one came across a few of the many copies i have, needless to say we are hearing a lot of the record lately. i forgot how much i enjoyed a few tunes- the first two of course, but also "knowing that you love me" and "beyond the clouds." sure brings back a boat load of great memories. maybe we can discuss the good

"Knowing That You Love Me" has become one of my very favorites. When did Generations come out? (Would LOVE to hear some of the great memories, Lula... )

You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

KTYLM is the best ballad of the Augeri era, bar none and that, OOHW, TPIYH, FITH are among their best work ever overall.
Shit, even the quasi-title track is top-shelf (incredible piano/guitar interplay), but it's Cain singing so it gets zero cred.

Eric wrote:You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

Excellent observation.

Red13JoePa wrote:KTYLM is the best ballad of the Augeri era, bar none and that, OOHW, TPIYH, FITH are among their best work ever overall.
Shit, even the quasi-title track is top-shelf (incredible piano/guitar interplay), but it's Cain singing so it gets zero cred.

Jesus Christ. KTYLM is gay. There is no sincerity in Journey lyrics. They always have and always will be shallow and light. Anyway, Wyatt has that fuckin Generations CD in the player and it is driving me fucking crazy! As soon as he is asleep, seeya disc. I am going to frisbee that motherfucker as far as humanly possible.

Eric wrote:You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

You know, to do this type of disc, the band would probably re-record all the Arrival material and Remember Me as those songs were released under Sony and then, what record label would be willing to distribute it?

Probably my fave from Generations............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjITpw5olvQ

Deb wrote:Probably my fave from Generations............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjITpw5olvQ

Great song.

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

You know, to do this type of disc, the band would probably re-record all the Arrival material and Remember Me as those songs were released under Sony and then, what record label would be willing to distribute it?

Wal-Mart in another cd deal.


It could work because the majority of Journey's casual fans have not heard those songs before.

I'm not in anyway saying they should do this though.

JSS Rocks! wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

You know, to do this type of disc, the band would probably re-record all the Arrival material and Remember Me as those songs were released under Sony and then, what record label would be willing to distribute it?

Wal-Mart in another cd deal.


It could work because the majority of Journey's casual fans have not heard those songs before.

I'm not in anyway saying they should do this though.

Of course not, but think of how good Arrival would have sounded if they had Arnel back then.

JSS Rocks! wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

You know, to do this type of disc, the band would probably re-record all the Arrival material and Remember Me as those songs were released under Sony and then, what record label would be willing to distribute it?

Wal-Mart in another cd deal.


It could work because the majority of Journey's casual fans have not heard those songs before.

I'm not in anyway saying they should do this though.

They barely sold a million packages with DSB and Faithfully included in the Revelation deal and all the publicity about Arnel's story. How do you convince Wal-Mart that this will do just as well if not better? The Greatest Hits are trouncing Revelation sales right now, people continue to purchase it even though there is a three disc deal out there that includes newer music. How do you sell this idea to a big box store as a profitable venture?

steveo777 wrote:

JSS Rocks! wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

You know, to do this type of disc, the band would probably re-record all the Arrival material and Remember Me as those songs were released under Sony and then, what record label would be willing to distribute it?

Wal-Mart in another cd deal.


It could work because the majority of Journey's casual fans have not heard those songs before.

I'm not in anyway saying they should do this though.

Of course not, but think of how good Arrival would have sounded if they had Arnel back then.

Wrong. The record would have been different b/c every singer brings something different when creating vocally a new song. I will keep Arrival just the way it is. Arnel doesn't give as polished a delivery as Augeri and that album works for me b/c of the understated soulful delivery by Augeri, even though vocally his voice isn't stunning. His vocal style compliments the melody and words beautifully.

Jana wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

JSS Rocks! wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

You know, to do this type of disc, the band would probably re-record all the Arrival material and Remember Me as those songs were released under Sony and then, what record label would be willing to distribute it?

Wal-Mart in another cd deal.


It could work because the majority of Journey's casual fans have not heard those songs before.

I'm not in anyway saying they should do this though.

Of course not, but think of how good Arrival would have sounded if they had Arnel back then.

Wrong. The record would have been different b/c every singer brings something different when creating vocally a new song. I will keep Arrival just the way it is. Arnel doesn't give as polished a delivery as Augeri and that album works for me b/c of the understated soulful delivery by Augeri, even though vocally his voice isn't stunning. His vocal style compliments the melody and words beautifully.

But if they had Arnel, Augeri wouldn't have existed and you would not know the difference.

Actually, now that I think of it, I wouldn't want Arrival to sound different than it does.

steveo777 wrote:

Jana wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

JSS Rocks! wrote:

Gunbot wrote:

Eric wrote:You take Red 13 and then just the best of Generations and you have a great album. You take off the cheesey4 (All the Way, Loved by You, With Your Love, Lifetime of Dreams) from Arrival you have a great 10 song album. Revelation is a great 10 song album.

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1) Remember Me
2) Higher Place
3) Signs of Live
4) Livin' To Do
5) I Got a Reason
6) I Can Breathe
7) Faith in the Heartland
Place in your heart
9) Out of harms way
10) Beyond the Clouds
11) Never too Late
12) Sunshower
13) Change for the Better
14) Wildest Dreams
15) What I needed

You know, to do this type of disc, the band would probably re-record all the Arrival material and Remember Me as those songs were released under Sony and then, what record label would be willing to distribute it?

Wal-Mart in another cd deal.


It could work because the majority of Journey's casual fans have not heard those songs before.

I'm not in anyway saying they should do this though.

Of course not, but think of how good Arrival would have sounded if they had Arnel back then.

Wrong. The record would have been different b/c every singer brings something different when creating vocally a new song. I will keep Arrival just the way it is. Arnel doesn't give as polished a delivery as Augeri and that album works for me b/c of the understated soulful delivery by Augeri, even though vocally his voice isn't stunning. His vocal style compliments the melody and words beautifully.

But if they had Arnel, Augeri wouldn't have existed and you would not know the difference.

Actually, now that I think of it, I wouldn't want Arrival to sound different than it does.

The only thing I wish is that Augeri's vocals were as good as they were on Generations. Somebody said it was b/c Augeri was sick while recording Arrival, but his vocals are definitely stronger on Generations.

I love also The Place in Your Heart. I forgot how many songs I like on Generations. I will have to pull that back out. But not even close to Arrival.

TPlYH - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoNl-8YnaI

Beyond the Clouds - What a beautiful song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtIan8pmwXQ

Believe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VdomOm_TE4

Knowing that You Love Me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx8W6sbGeSo