AP To Sing The Phil. Nat'l. Anthem @ Pacman/Clottey Fight?

[isla]

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ar ... egoryId=69

Notes: Here’s Pacquiao’s birthday wish for his trainer: More years to come, a good life and more winnings. “Yun lang (That’s all),” he said... Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley, who will fight each other on May 1, held a press conference Thursday in downtown Los Angeles. So many questions were asked but not all of them were answered, especially when it concerned Pacquiao. A Filipino TV crew, led by Chino Trinidad, towed the line for an interview with Mayweather, but when their time came, they were told that Mayweather, the flamboyant American champion who would have been better off facing Pacquiao than Mosley, wasn’t granting any interview with the crew. “No interviews with Filipinos,” Trinidad quoted someone as telling them just when they had Mayweather within arm’s reach. So, they had to go.... It’s unconfirmed but word sneaked out from within Team Pacquiao that Arnel Pineda, the Filipino lead singer of the iconic band Journey, will sing the Philippine national anthem on March 13 at the Cowboys Stadium.

[Jana]

That's great for Arnel.

[steveo777]

That's great for Arnel.

Are you being a smart ass?
This should certainly advance his career.

[Jana]

That's great for Arnel.

Are you being a smart ass?
This should certainly advance his career.

Why would I be doing that. Manny is the biggest international star in the Philippines. I'm sure Arnel holds him in high esteem and this would be exciting and an honor for Arnel.

[Don]

That's great for Arnel.

Are you being a smart ass?
This should certainly advance his career.

What career, as a cover singer? You know what is funny, you don't here anything more about the songs he wrote with the ZOO or by himself before he was discovered. It's all about what great job he is doing covering songs that other people made famous. He doesn't even change the songs up or anything, he pretty much sings them note for note. When I think about it, hes' not really an innovator at all is he? A more ACCURATE description should be vocal counterfeiter, because that is exactly what he is doing on most of the material he covers. A waste of talent really, where is the voice we hear in TDTWT, where we knows that's Arnel singing, not someone trying to sound like Steve Perry, Jimi Jamison Or Bryan Adams?

For anyone who thinks I'm bashing Arnel's abilities as a singer, you can go fuck yourself. It's obvious that the guy has pipes, my problem is his need to continuously sing the 80s Greatest rock hits by copying other singers vocal nuances instead of utilizing his own God Given talent and voice. I understood imitating them while he was a club singer but now that he is actually in a real band, does he still need to pretend that it's amateur night at the Apollo every time he sings a cover?

[brywool]

... and Elvis wrote how many songs?
Sinatra?
Tony Bennett?

Just because someone is a singer and not a singer-that-writes doesn't make them a non-entity.

[Michigan Girl]

That's great for Arnel.

Are you being a smart ass?
This should certainly advance his career.

For anyone who thinks I'm bashing Arnel's abilities as a singer, you can go fuck yourself.

lol ...

[Don]

... and Elvis wrote how many songs?

Just because someone is a singer and not a singer that writes doesn't make them a non-entity.

Did you even read what I wrote? Elvis might not have wrote songs but when he sang songs that had previously been released, he made them his own, not going note for note, trying to sound exactly like the singer who he was covering. My point was Arnel has a great voice as evidenced by TDTWT. i think it would be great to hear that personal version of a song, not one where he is copying the other singer like he is doing Karaoke at a night club.

[steveo777]

That's great for Arnel.

Are you being a smart ass?
This should certainly advance his career.

What career, as a cover singer? You know what is funny, you don't here anything more about the songs he wrote with the ZOO or by himself before he was discovered. It's all about what great job he is doing covering songs that other people made famous. He doesn't even change the songs up or anything, he pretty much sings them note for note. When I think about it, hes' not really an innovator at all is he? A more ACCURATE description should be vocal counterfeiter, because that is exactly what he is doing on most of the material he covers. A waste of talent really, where is the voice we hear in TDTWT, where we knows that's Arnel singing, not someone trying to sound like Steve Perry, Jimi Jamison Or Bryan Adams?

For anyone who thinks I'm bashing Arnel's abilities as a singer, you can go fuck yourself. It's obvious that the guy has pipes, my problem is his need to continuously sing the 80s Greatest rock hits by copying other singers vocal nuances instead of utilizing his own God Given talent and voice. I understood imitating them while he was a club singer but now that he is actually in a real band, does he still need to pretend that it's amateur night at the Apollo every time he sings a cover?

Hey Gunny. You aren't bashing Arnel's singing abilities, just him. Go fuck yourself! j/c
It may be that none of what he does is of his own will, but at the behest of De Leon, his manager. What kind of contracts do they have over there....lifetime?

[Since 78]

That's great for Arnel.

Are you being a smart ass?
This should certainly advance his career.

What career, as a cover singer? You know what is funny, you don't here anything more about the songs he wrote with the ZOO or by himself before he was discovered. It's all about what great job he is doing covering songs that other people made famous. He doesn't even change the songs up or anything, he pretty much sings them note for note. When I think about it, hes' not really an innovator at all is he? A more ACCURATE description should be vocal counterfeiter, because that is exactly what he is doing on most of the material he covers. A waste of talent really, where is the voice we hear in TDTWT, where we knows that's Arnel singing, not someone trying to sound like Steve Perry, Jimi Jamison Or Bryan Adams?

For anyone who thinks I'm bashing Arnel's abilities as a singer, you can go fuck yourself. It's obvious that the guy has pipes, my problem is his need to continuously sing the 80s Greatest rock hits by copying other singers vocal nuances instead of utilizing his own God Given talent and voice. I understood imitating them while he was a club singer but now that he is actually in a real band, does he still need to pretend that it's amateur night at the Apollo every time he sings a cover?

What do this have to do with singing the National anthem?

[brywool]

... and Elvis wrote how many songs?

Just because someone is a singer and not a singer that writes doesn't make them a non-entity.

Did you even read what I wrote? Elvis might not have wrote songs but when he sang songs that had previously been released, he made them his own, not going note for note, trying to sound exactly like the singer who he was covering. My point was Arnel has a great voice as evidenced by TDTWT. i think it would be great to hear that personal version of a song, not one where he is copying the other singer like he is doing Karaoke at a night club.

If he sang them more like himself, people would be falling all over themselves saying how much he doesn't stick to the original. Whatever he does, he can't win over some people. When he was singing with an accent, people gave him crap for that- how was that not singing them more like himself? When he did, people jumped all over him.

Of course I read what you wrote silly man.

As far as Elvis making songs his own... he sure did a crap job on the Little Richard stuff. Otherwise, he was decent. He also sang "Blue Suede Shoes" exactly like Carl Perkins (just with different instrumental breaks).

Basically the guy can't win.

[steveo777]

... and Elvis wrote how many songs?

Just because someone is a singer and not a singer that writes doesn't make them a non-entity.

Did you even read what I wrote? Elvis might not have wrote songs but when he sang songs that had previously been released, he made them his own, not going note for note, trying to sound exactly like the singer who he was covering. My point was Arnel has a great voice as evidenced by TDTWT. i think it would be great to hear that personal version of a song, not one where he is copying the other singer like he is doing Karaoke at a night club.

If he sang them more like himself, people would be falling all over themselves saying how much he doesn't stick to the original. Of course I read what you wrote silly man.

Arnel is in the unique "can't please everybody" position that comes with Journey territory. He's either guilty of not sounding enough like or he sounds too much like, or his integrity is questioned for associating with people like Schon. (Yeah, I've even seen the latter posted).

[Don]

I'm not even talking about Journey material here. Rod Stewart, James Taylor and Barry Manilow all released top ten cover albums over the last year. None of three sound anything like the singers they were covering BUT they didn't try to. They stylized the songs to match their own individual vocal abilities and the albums sold well because of it. If Arnel was a nobody, I get that he would copy the other singer to appease the audiences but being a member of Journey has given him the freedom to sing in his own voice. If the local people don't like how he sounds naturally, no loss as the money he makes from Journey trumps anything they can pay him in the Philippines anyway.

By the way, my critique here has nothing to do with Pineda's Journey career, I'm just talking about solo endeavors at home in the Philippines.

[lights1961]

That's great for Arnel.

Are you being a smart ass?
This should certainly advance his career.

For anyone who thinks I'm bashing Arnel's abilities as a singer, you can go fuck yourself.

lol ...

what she said... LOL.

[Red13JoePa]

He sounds like perry, that's most of the reason he got the job.
So of course he's go to sound like him when singing the old songs.

Why would they hire a guy like that and go, "Now be careful not to sound like perry when you sing the oldies."

[Don]

He sounds like perry, that's most of the reason he got the job.
So of course he's go to sound like him when singing the old songs.

Why would they hire a guy like that and go, "Now be careful not to sound like perry when you sing the oldies."

That's funny, all of his fans swear he sounds like himself, not Perry. I'm talking about cover songs outside Journey. Instead of trying to do the imitating vocal effects, I'd like to hear him songs with his own voice where you know it's him, not someone trying to sound like Adams, Jamison, Roth, etc.

Don't just sing the song, own it if you can.

[Since 78]

I could care less what he's doing in the Philippines, as long as he shows up with his voice in tact for the next album/tour.

[portland]

He sounds like perry, that's most of the reason he got the job.
So of course he's go to sound like him when singing the old songs.

Why would they hire a guy like that and go, "Now be careful not to sound like perry when you sing the oldies."

That's funny, all of his fans swear he sounds like himself, not Perry. I 'm talking about cover songs outside Journey. Instead of trying to do the imitating vocal effects, I'd like to hear him songs with his own voice where you know it's him not someone trying to sound like Adams, Jamison, Roth, etc.

Gunbot you are

[Don]

I didn't start the thread, I'm merely expanding on the subject matter.

[Red13JoePa]

His "own voice" happens to sound a lot like perry's.
A lot of singers sound like a lot of singers out of happenstance.
Even if TRIED not to sound like perry I'd hear it. Same with Jeremey, he just sounds like perry.
I don't see the problem outside of the absurd jealousy of loons and heads who DETEST hearing that Pineda sounds great doing his job in Journey.

[portland]

I didn't start the thread, I'm merely expanding on the subject matter.

I know!

[Ligzig]

I'm not even talking about Journey material here. Rod Stewart, James Taylor and Barry Manilow all released top ten cover albums over the last year. None of three sound anything like the singers they were covering BUT they didn't try to. They stylized the songs to match their own individual vocal abilities and the albums sold well because of it. If Arnel was a nobody, I get that he would copy the other singer to appease the audiences but being a member of Journey has given him the freedom to sing in his own voice. If the local people don't like how he sounds naturally, no loss as the money he makes from Journey trumps anything they can pay him in the Philippines anyway.

By the way, my critique here has nothing to do with Pineda's Journey career, I'm just talking about solo endeavors at home in the Philippines.

I actually think those albums sold well because they are household names. I don't think an album with Arnel Pineda at the helm would have the same appeal or sell half as many copies, because outside of Journey circles, he is still unknown. Being in Journey, I don't really think he is in a position or has the "freedom" to use his own voice. They were specifically set on finding someone who could give them that "Journey sound" and I think if they were really looking for someone who brought something new to the band, they would have kept Soto. The fans don't help either. You should know yourself the type of person that goes to Journey concerts. They want to hear the songs as they were written and how they remember them.

Indeed the money he makes from Journey trumps anything he could do in the Philippines, it's in the best Interests of Arnel not to jeopardize his career with Journey I would imagine - It is JUST a job to him after all (this line of thinking is something that I DO have beef with). He should really take this as an opportunity to shine, rather than just filling in for the shoes of Perry.

[Don]

I'm not even talking about Journey material here. Rod Stewart, James Taylor and Barry Manilow all released top ten cover albums over the last year. None of three sound anything like the singers they were covering BUT they didn't try to. They stylized the songs to match their own individual vocal abilities and the albums sold well because of it. If Arnel was a nobody, I get that he would copy the other singer to appease the audiences but being a member of Journey has given him the freedom to sing in his own voice. If the local people don't like how he sounds naturally, no loss as the money he makes from Journey trumps anything they can pay him in the Philippines anyway.

By the way, my critique here has nothing to do with Pineda's Journey career, I'm just talking about solo endeavors at home in the Philippines.

I actually think those albums sold well because they are household names. I don't think an album with Arnel Pineda at the helm would have the same appeal or sell half as many copies, because outside of Journey circles, he is still unknown. Being in Journey, I don't really think he is in a position or has the "freedom" to use his own voice. They were specifically set on finding someone who could give them that "Journey sound" and I think if they were really looking for someone who brought something new to the band, they would have kept Soto. The fans don't help either. You should know yourself the type of person that goes to Journey concerts. They want to hear the songs as they were written and how they remember them.

Indeed the money he makes from Journey trumps anything he could do in the Philippines, it's in the best Interests of Arnel not to jeopardize his career with Journey I would imagine - It is JUST a job to him after all (this line of thinking is something that I DO have beef with). He should really take this as an opportunity to shine, rather than just filling in for the shoes of Perry.

That's pretty much where I was going with all this, take a chance and grab the ring while the opportunity is there.

[RocknRoll]

I'm not even talking about Journey material here. Rod Stewart, James Taylor and Barry Manilow all released top ten cover albums over the last year. None of three sound anything like the singers they were covering BUT they didn't try to. They stylized the songs to match their own individual vocal abilities and the albums sold well because of it. If Arnel was a nobody, I get that he would copy the other singer to appease the audiences but being a member of Journey has given him the freedom to sing in his own voice. If the local people don't like how he sounds naturally, no loss as the money he makes from Journey trumps anything they can pay him in the Philippines anyway.

By the way, my critique here has nothing to do with Pineda's Journey career, I'm just talking about solo endeavors at home in the Philippines.

I agree with GB on this. I don't normally watch the youtubes of AP's cover gigs overseas, but I did click on the one from the beauty pageant. All I could think of is why, why does he still need to copy the original vocals? I'm assuming he is now well known enough in the Phils to get what looked to be a pretty prestigious gig so why not start making his own identity in his own voice. He can still cover the BA songs, but as Arnel Pineda, he certainly has the talent. It has nothing to do with Journey.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm not even talking about Journey material here. Rod Stewart, James Taylor and Barry Manilow all released top ten cover albums over the last year. None of three sound anything like the singers they were covering BUT they didn't try to. They stylized the songs to match their own individual vocal abilities and the albums sold well because of it. If Arnel was a nobody, I get that he would copy the other singer to appease the audiences but being a member of Journey has given him the freedom to sing in his own voice. If the local people don't like how he sounds naturally, no loss as the money he makes from Journey trumps anything they can pay him in the Philippines anyway.

By the way, my critique here has nothing to do with Pineda's Journey career, I'm just talking about solo endeavors at home in the Philippines.

I actually think those albums sold well because they are household names. I don't think an album with Arnel Pineda at the helm would have the same appeal or sell half as many copies, because outside of Journey circles, he is still unknown. Being in Journey, I don't really think he is in a position or has the "freedom" to use his own voice. They were specifically set on finding someone who could give them that "Journey sound" and I think if they were really looking for someone who brought something new to the band, they would have kept Soto. The fans don't help either. You should know yourself the type of person that goes to Journey concerts. They want to hear the songs as they were written and how they remember them.

Indeed the money he makes from Journey trumps anything he could do in the Philippines, it's in the best Interests of Arnel not to jeopardize his career with Journey I would imagine - It is JUST a job to him after all (this line of thinking is something that I DO have beef with). He should really take this as an opportunity to shine, rather than just filling in for the shoes of Perry.

What do you know I agree w/you again, lugnut!! You're becoming a favorite of mine!!

[RocknRoll]

I'm not even talking about Journey material here. Rod Stewart, James Taylor and Barry Manilow all released top ten cover albums over the last year. None of three sound anything like the singers they were covering BUT they didn't try to. They stylized the songs to match their own individual vocal abilities and the albums sold well because of it. If Arnel was a nobody, I get that he would copy the other singer to appease the audiences but being a member of Journey has given him the freedom to sing in his own voice. If the local people don't like how he sounds naturally, no loss as the money he makes from Journey trumps anything they can pay him in the Philippines anyway.

By the way, my critique here has nothing to do with Pineda's Journey career, I'm just talking about solo endeavors at home in the Philippines.

I actually think those albums sold well because they are household names. I don't think an album with Arnel Pineda at the helm would have the same appeal or sell half as many copies, because outside of Journey circles, he is still unknown. Being in Journey, I don't really think he is in a position or has the "freedom" to use his own voice. They were specifically set on finding someone who could give them that "Journey sound" and I think if they were really looking for someone who brought something new to the band, they would have kept Soto. The fans don't help either. You should know yourself the type of person that goes to Journey concerts. They want to hear the songs as they were written and how they remember them.

Indeed the money he makes from Journey trumps anything he could do in the Philippines, it's in the best Interests of Arnel not to jeopardize his career with Journey I would imagine - It is JUST a job to him after all (this line of thinking is something that I DO have beef with). He should really take this as an opportunity to shine, rather than just filling in for the shoes of Perry.

That's pretty much where I was going with all this, take a chance and grab the ring while the opportunity is there.

I've always hated that "It's just a job statement". I much prefer artists who are passionate about what they do like NS. I'll give AP a pass since this statement was made early on in his Journey career and everything was pretty uncertain. I hope he does not still feel that way.

[steveo777]

I'm not even talking about Journey material here. Rod Stewart, James Taylor and Barry Manilow all released top ten cover albums over the last year. None of three sound anything like the singers they were covering BUT they didn't try to. They stylized the songs to match their own individual vocal abilities and the albums sold well because of it. If Arnel was a nobody, I get that he would copy the other singer to appease the audiences but being a member of Journey has given him the freedom to sing in his own voice. If the local people don't like how he sounds naturally, no loss as the money he makes from Journey trumps anything they can pay him in the Philippines anyway.

By the way, my critique here has nothing to do with Pineda's Journey career, I'm just talking about solo endeavors at home in the Philippines.

I actually think those albums sold well because they are household names. I don't think an album with Arnel Pineda at the helm would have the same appeal or sell half as many copies, because outside of Journey circles, he is still unknown. Being in Journey, I don't really think he is in a position or has the "freedom" to use his own voice. They were specifically set on finding someone who could give them that "Journey sound" and I think if they were really looking for someone who brought something new to the band, they would have kept Soto. The fans don't help either. You should know yourself the type of person that goes to Journey concerts. They want to hear the songs as they were written and how they remember them.

Indeed the money he makes from Journey trumps anything he could do in the Philippines, it's in the best Interests of Arnel not to jeopardize his career with Journey I would imagine - It is JUST a job to him after all (this line of thinking is something that I DO have beef with). He should really take this as an opportunity to shine, rather than just filling in for the shoes of Perry.

That's pretty much where I was going with all this, take a chance and grab the ring while the opportunity is there.

I've always hated that "It's just a job statement". I much prefer artists who are passionate about what they do like NS. I'll give AP a pass since this statement was made early on in his Journey career and everything was pretty uncertain. I hope he does not still feel that way.

I give him a pass on this statement also, since I understand the context. He is simply trying to not put himself above other human beings...not let things go to his head, etc., so for him, he just wants to come across as an ordinary working guy like everyone else.

[Ligzig]

I give him a pass on this statement also, since I understand the context. He is simply trying to not put himself above other human beings...not let things go to his head, etc., so for him, he just wants to come across as an ordinary working guy like everyone else.

It also makes it seem as he just wants to enjoy the ride but has zero drive or passion to shine through with his own talent. This is a one in a lifetime chance for someone like Arnel. Someone just needs to light a fire under his ass before his talent is completely wasted. Nobody ever questions his sincerity. Touring is stressful, I can understand the pressure he must feel - that said, covering songs is not hard work.

[Jana]

How did this thread go so terribly wrong? All I said was I thought Arnel would consider it an honor to sing at this event as Manny is the most internationally recognized star/sports figure/celebrity from the Philippines.

[steveo777]

I give him a pass on this statement also, since I understand the context. He is simply trying to not put himself above other human beings...not let things go to his head, etc., so for him, he just wants to come across as an ordinary working guy like everyone else.

It also makes it seem as he just wants to enjoy the ride but has zero drive or passion to shine through with his own talent. This is a one in a lifetime chance for someone like Arnel. Someone just needs to light a fire under his ass before his talent is completely wasted. Nobody ever questions his sincerity. Touring is stressful, I can understand the pressure he must feel - that said, covering songs is not hard work.

You bring up a good point and don't you think anyone would have talked to him about this? It has to be a certainty that someone has. I wonder how he responded?