Idea for next Journey Album...

[Schon Rules All]

What if they did a two disc set... One of all new original material, and a second disc of covers... not Journey tunes, but just some good tunes with a Journey spin on them.... I think that would be a good concept for journey to sell to wal-mart. Thoughts?

[Ehwmatt]

What if they did a two disc set... One of all new original material, and a second disc of covers... not Journey tunes, but just some good tunes with a Journey spin on them.... I think that would be a good concept for journey to sell to wal-mart. Thoughts?

I think they need to just concentrate on exclusively new music. Make something really inspired. The covers concept got old after Styx and leppard did it, let alone the onslaught of cover albums after that. The only one that I've remotely enjoyed past a day or two has been Shaw+Blades's Influence.

[Jana]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

[Rockindeano]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

No. If they are going to do a live album, make it a double disc and call it Recaptured. Live discs go by themselves, not packaged in with an original and a re recorded disc.

[Since 78]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

[Michigan Girl]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

Finally you make sense!!

[Since 78]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

Finally you make sense!!

I always make sense MG, some people are just not always sensible enough to agree with me.

[Ehwmatt]

The trouble with the "bonus disc for the same price material" is this:

What was originally a great concept to attempt to revive the dying CD format and give the consumer "more bang for the buck" was quickly bastardized into "well, let's just throw shit together for the sake of appearance of a greater value." Enter the miserably produced re-records or the truncated Vegas DVD from Revelation. Or, more recently, witness the "Live" DVD Foreigner packaged with their new album. Absolutely horrible and not live at all.

REO's last album wasn't that great, but at least they had a killer acoustic live DVD from XM Studios that they put effort into and a live recording of their biggest album. That wasn't a bad package. Unfortunately, that's been the exception so far with these "bonus discs."

To throw in an "extra disc" just for bulk's sake is almost more insulting to me as a consumer/fan than beneficial or useful. It's not extra value when you're merely getting afterthoughts put on another disc. A live disc of the DD or another badly produced covers or re-record disc are just coasters for most, and I've got enough of those already. Shit, I'd rather have one new disc packaged in a NICE case/package rather than these horrendous cardboard packages that get frayed just by sitting on my CD rack and scratch the discs themselves.

[Jana]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

[Ehwmatt]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

That would be cool Jana, but what are the chances they give us the extra tracks? Maybe they'd throw WYLAW and a Rev song or two on there, but there is no way they'd give us the full live concert on CD. Too cheap for that.

[Jana]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

Finally you make sense!!

I always make sense MG, some people are just not always sensible enough to agree with me.

I'm the opposite. You ALWAYS make sense; just not on that reply. See my reply to you above.

[Michigan Girl]

The trouble with the "bonus disc for the same price material" is this:

What was originally a great concept to attempt to revive the dying CD format and give the consumer "more bang for the buck" was quickly bastardized into "well, let's just throw shit together for the sake of appearance of a greater value." Enter the miserably produced re-records or the truncated Vegas DVD from Revelation. Or, more recently, witness the "Live" DVD Foreigner packaged with their new album. Absolutely horrible and not live at all.

REO's last album wasn't that great, but at least they had a killer acoustic live DVD from XM Studios that they put effort into and a live recording of their biggest album. That wasn't a bad package. Unfortunately, that's been the exception so far with these "bonus discs."

To throw in an "extra disc" just for bulk's sake is almost more insulting to me as a consumer/fan than beneficial or useful. It's not extra value when you're merely getting afterthoughts put on another disc. A live disc of the DD or another badly produced covers or re-record disc are just coasters for most, and I've got enough of those already. Shit, I'd rather have one new disc packaged in a NICE case/package rather than these horrendous cardboard packages that get frayed just by sitting on my CD rack and scratch the discs themselves.

If I were 20 years younger, single, liked to play tennis and party until I passed out ...I would marry you!!!

[Rockindeano]

The trouble with the "bonus disc for the same price material" is this:

What was originally a great concept to attempt to revive the dying CD format and give the consumer "more bang for the buck" was quickly bastardized into "well, let's just throw shit together for the sake of appearance of a greater value." Enter the miserably produced re-records or the truncated Vegas DVD from Revelation. Or, more recently, witness the "Live" DVD Foreigner packaged with their new album. Absolutely horrible and not live at all.

REO's last album wasn't that great, but at least they had a killer acoustic live DVD from XM Studios that they put effort into and a live recording of their biggest album. That wasn't a bad package. Unfortunately, that's been the exception so far with these "bonus discs."

To throw in an "extra disc" just for bulk's sake is almost more insulting to me as a consumer/fan than beneficial or useful. It's not extra value when you're merely getting afterthoughts put on another disc. A live disc of the DD or another badly produced covers or re-record disc are just coasters for most, and I've got enough of those already. Shit, I'd rather have one new disc packaged in a NICE case/package rather than these horrendous cardboard packages that get frayed just by sitting on my CD rack and scratch the discs themselves.

If I were 20 years younger, single, liked to play tennis and party until I passed out ...I would marry you!!!

Ok, but would you blow him? That is the key component here.

[Ehwmatt]

The trouble with the "bonus disc for the same price material" is this:

What was originally a great concept to attempt to revive the dying CD format and give the consumer "more bang for the buck" was quickly bastardized into "well, let's just throw shit together for the sake of appearance of a greater value." Enter the miserably produced re-records or the truncated Vegas DVD from Revelation. Or, more recently, witness the "Live" DVD Foreigner packaged with their new album. Absolutely horrible and not live at all.

REO's last album wasn't that great, but at least they had a killer acoustic live DVD from XM Studios that they put effort into and a live recording of their biggest album. That wasn't a bad package. Unfortunately, that's been the exception so far with these "bonus discs."

To throw in an "extra disc" just for bulk's sake is almost more insulting to me as a consumer/fan than beneficial or useful. It's not extra value when you're merely getting afterthoughts put on another disc. A live disc of the DD or another badly produced covers or re-record disc are just coasters for most, and I've got enough of those already. Shit, I'd rather have one new disc packaged in a NICE case/package rather than these horrendous cardboard packages that get frayed just by sitting on my CD rack and scratch the discs themselves.

If I were 20 years younger, single, liked to play tennis and party until I passed out ...I would marry you!!!

Do you swing?

[Jana]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

That would be cool Jana, but what are the chances they give us the extra tracks? Maybe they'd throw WYLAW and a Rev song or two on there, but there is no way they'd give us the full live concert on CD. Too cheap for that.

Neal is wealthy. Get the audio from that Graspop feed and give us some songs from that as a live album, mixed with some other shows, like tdtwt from the DVD, but with the sound crisper and not with the audience all muted.

Chain Reaction Graspop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPenP0xfbQ

[Don]

One disc of 17 new tracks. What is so hard about that? Journey's Greatest hits is out selling Revelation 3 to 1 at this point. Why would Wal-Mart even give the band another album deal while the GH disc is still so popular? Revelation and these other exclusives are loss leader products, designed to get people into the stores. Journey's Greatest Hits is doing that without the store having to fork over a ton of money, Why go that route when there are still bands out there like Def Leppard and Chicago, etc. which can potentially entice new customers customers in with their own exclusive deal?

[Rockindeano]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

That would be cool Jana, but what are the chances they give us the extra tracks? Maybe they'd throw WYLAW and a Rev song or two on there, but there is no way they'd give us the full live concert on CD. Too cheap for that.

Neal is wealthy. Get the audio from that Graspop feed and give us some songs from that as a live album, mixed with some other shows, like tdtwt from the DVD, but not with the sound all turned down and the audience all muted.

Chain Reaction Graspop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPenP0xfbQ

You sure about that Jana? He has what, 5, count em, 5 fuckin wives out there? I don't think he is as wealthy as you think he is. Do I think he tries to save money by going for the value meal versus the sandwich alone? No, but I don't think he will ever throw 300,000 bucks at a project like he did for SoulSirkus again either.

[Since 78]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

Ok, But if they were going to do a live album, I would prefer Deans Recaptured concept and I personally wouldn't want any Perry material, which at this point wouldn't be feasible as they don't have enough live material for that.

[Rockindeano]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

Ok, But if they were going to do a live album, I would prefer Deans Recaptured concept and I personally wouldn't want any Perry material, which at this point wouldn't be feasible as they don't have enough live material for that.

Thanks 78. They have enough material for a 2 disc live album. It would be ok to have the Dozen sprinkled in, after all it's been a while since Espee left...plus as Jana said, they had the Revelation numbers and WYLAW etc. They can add HP in there and maybe another to fill out the album. My point was keep live albums live. Hell, if I was a huge Journey fan, I would want a live DVD packaged with the live audio, like Escape '81 was. They could have that live part already done and in the can...then if they were smart, release the new material AT THE SAME TIME, thus have both discs pushing each other.

[Jana]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

That would be cool Jana, but what are the chances they give us the extra tracks? Maybe they'd throw WYLAW and a Rev song or two on there, but there is no way they'd give us the full live concert on CD. Too cheap for that.

Neal is wealthy. Get the audio from that Graspop feed and give us some songs from that as a live album, mixed with some other shows, like tdtwt from the DVD, but not with the sound all turned down and the audience all muted.

Chain Reaction Graspop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPenP0xfbQ

You sure about that Jana? He has what, 5, count em, 5 fuckin wives out there? I don't think he is as wealthy as you think he is. Do I think he tries to save money by going for the value meal versus the sandwich alone? No, but I don't think he will ever throw 300,000 bucks at a project like he did for SoulSirkus again either.

You're right, and he shouldn't. No reason to have to pour money into a project. If he doesn't get backing from a label, forget it. I thought he was married four times. He never married Lori. LOL, I lost count of his wives.

[Don]

The Eagles and AC-DC both had multi-platinum albums through Wal-mart without having to attach a Greatest Hits Packages. I think they are the bands Wal-Mart wouldn't mind bringing back for a second round. Journey, REO and Foreigner were the ones who had to have all the bells and whistles to push their product. Why go down that road with them again. Without the Greatest Hits included, what can these groups include this time that will elevate their sales this time around to the level of the upper tier groups?

[Michigan Girl]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

Ok, But if they were going to do a live album, I would prefer Deans Recaptured concept and I personally wouldn't want any Perry material, which at this point wouldn't be feasible as they don't have enough live material for that.

This is the YOU I know and love ...the demons are gone?!?!

[Rockindeano]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

That would be cool Jana, but what are the chances they give us the extra tracks? Maybe they'd throw WYLAW and a Rev song or two on there, but there is no way they'd give us the full live concert on CD. Too cheap for that.

Neal is wealthy. Get the audio from that Graspop feed and give us some songs from that as a live album, mixed with some other shows, like tdtwt from the DVD, but not with the sound all turned down and the audience all muted.

Chain Reaction Graspop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPenP0xfbQ

You sure about that Jana? He has what, 5, count em, 5 fuckin wives out there? I don't think he is as wealthy as you think he is. Do I think he tries to save money by going for the value meal versus the sandwich alone? No, but I don't think he will ever throw 300,000 bucks at a project like he did for SoulSirkus again either.

You're right, and he shouldn't. No reason to have to pour money into a project. If he doesn't get backing from a label, forget it. I thought he was married four times. He never married Lori. LOL, I lost count of his wives.

Whatever, 4, 5 6? does it matter? It's way too many goddamned wives, and he is at again with Ms Plastic Surgery now. You would think the guy would play the rock star, go out, get pussy, don't get married. What is his deal? Stupid fucker sometimes.

[Jana]

no. I've said all along I would like a second disk live album.

I don't know, what would they put on a live album? I'm up to here with the DD.

They did about five different songs off Revelation. They did WYLAW. That's never been performed live, which I thought Arnel did a great job on. I would like Deen on a song or two that he did last year or the year b/f. Maybe chain reaction or rubicon or some of those arnel did off the Graspop show, which that show really rocked hard. I think it would be great. One More live would be nice. Higher Place Arnel did. There's a lot.

That would be cool Jana, but what are the chances they give us the extra tracks? Maybe they'd throw WYLAW and a Rev song or two on there, but there is no way they'd give us the full live concert on CD. Too cheap for that.

Neal is wealthy. Get the audio from that Graspop feed and give us some songs from that as a live album, mixed with some other shows, like tdtwt from the DVD, but not with the sound all turned down and the audience all muted.

Chain Reaction Graspop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPenP0xfbQ

You sure about that Jana? He has what, 5, count em, 5 fuckin wives out there? I don't think he is as wealthy as you think he is. Do I think he tries to save money by going for the value meal versus the sandwich alone? No, but I don't think he will ever throw 300,000 bucks at a project like he did for SoulSirkus again either.

You're right, and he shouldn't. No reason to have to pour money into a project. If he doesn't get backing from a label, forget it. I thought he was married four times. He never married Lori. LOL, I lost count of his wives.

Whatever, 4, 5 6? does it matter? It's way too many goddamned wives, and he is at again with Ms Plastic Surgery now. You would think the guy would play the rock star, go out, get pussy, don't get married. What is his deal? Stupid fucker sometimes.

well, he seems to be getting smarter. he didn't marry the last one, nor get her pregnant, so no alimony or child support. in the old days, he would have married lori in the first year. this new one is too old to get pregnant and he hasn't married her either ----- yet . see, he's getting smarter.

[Don]

Schon just bought back 90% of his own personal catalog, which he wants to market on his own. I don't see him having the type of easy money to throw at creating albums like Captured Deuce. The band are already taking a financial risk on this new album if they are truly going for the conceptual approach.

[Rockindeano]

[quote="JanawithNealsdickinhermouth"]well, he seems to be getting smarter. he didn't marry the last one, nor get her pregnant, so no alimony or child support. in the old days, he would have married lori in the first year. this new one is too old to get pregnant and he hasn't married her either [/quote]

Neal is an amazing guy. He can't read a lick of music, yet can listen to O Canada once and play it that night in Toronto; all by ear. He just baffles my mind at times. Fuck, I have fond memories of him as well as not so fond memories. He's like wallpaper; it's hard to get a read on the guy....

PS- this is border line gossip/bullshit on my part, but you don't know he didn't get Lori pregnant. Just saying.

[steveo777]

well, he seems to be getting smarter. he didn't marry the last one, nor get her pregnant, so no alimony or child support. in the old days, he would have married lori in the first year. this new one is too old to get pregnant and he hasn't married her either ----- yet . see, he's getting smarter.

Neal is an amazing guy. He can't read a lick of music, yet can listen to O Canada once and play it that night in Toronto; all by ear. He just baffles my mind at times. Fuck, I have fond memories of him as well as not so fond memories. He's like wallpaper; it's hard to get a read on the guy....

PS- this is border line gossip/bullshit on my part, but you don't know he didn't get Lori pregnant. Just saying.

Wouldn't you have to be able to get it up and get it in for that to happen? Just asking.....

[Jana]

well, he seems to be getting smarter. he didn't marry the last one, nor get her pregnant, so no alimony or child support. in the old days, he would have married lori in the first year. this new one is too old to get pregnant and he hasn't married her either ----- yet . see, he's getting smarter.

Neal is an amazing guy. He can't read a lick of music, yet can listen to O Canada once and play it that night in Toronto; all by ear. He just baffles my mind at times. Fuck, I have fond memories of him as well as not so fond memories. He's like wallpaper; it's hard to get a read on the guy....

PS- this is border line gossip/bullshit on my part, but you don't know he didn't get Lori pregnant. Just saying.

Wouldn't you have to be able to get it up and get it in for that to happen? Just asking.....

speaking from experience? That sounds more like your problem, than Neal's.

[Don]

On the subject of live CDs, Journey's last live Album only went gold and Captured, only 2X platinum.

[steveo777]

On the subject of live CDs, Journey's last live Album only went gold and Captured, only 2X platinum.

A lot of these albums don't immediately hit their highest status. Some take years...just look at GH. It's been enjoying latent success.