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I thought this was an interesting article..

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:30 pm
by fredinator
It's a review of "Carlos Santana: Guitar Heaven: The Greatest Guitar Classics of All Time" and mentions Neal:

Carlos Santana must wake up every day thanking his lucky stars for Clive Davis. For most of the past four decades, the producer/record company executive has helped keep Santana on commercial track whenever he’s wanted to veer. And it was Davis who, more than a decade ago, started putting Santana together with young, hot singers to help keep his name alive.

Albums such as Supernatural, Shaman and All That I Am featured vocalists Rob Thomas, Seal, Dido and others in a calculated move to sell CDs, which is fine, given that the music business is, after all, a business. But the latest Santana/Davis project, Guitar Heaven: The Greatest Guitar Classics of All Time, may well be the final nail in the coffin of AOR.

On the all-covers Guitar Heaven, Santana hopefully meant to pay tribute to some of his friends and heroes, and not just simply try to get back on the charts. This is an album of (supposedly) great guitar songs which features, as usual, an array of hot younger singers. Chris Daughtry does a great job on Def Leppard’s “Photograph,” Scott Weiland tackles the Stones’ “Can’t You Hear Me Knockin’,” and Chris Cornell turns in a nice vocal on Led Zeppelin’s “Whole Lotta Love.” But how are “Photograph,” Van Halen’s poppy “Dance the Night Away” and the Doors’ “Riders on the Storm” considered “great guitar classics?”

As for Santana the guitarist, a lot of this album is the same thing he’s done for the past 40 years, bending one screaming note for three measures while people call it art. He does turn in a great performance on the old Willie Dixon/Jeff Beck nugget “I Ain’t Superstitious,” showing guest vocalist Jonny Lang how the old guys do it. And his work on “Riders on the Storm,” featuring Linkin Park’s Chester Bennington, may be his best playing on the album, with the song’s atypical structure forcing him to go outside a little. But much of this album misses the mark horribly, barely making it a cut above those “music in the style of (fill in the blank – Eagles, Garth Brooks etc.)” records.
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The first single from the CD is “While My Guitar Gently Weeps,” with a vocal by India.Arie and Yo-Yo Ma on cello. This song is an absolute classic, almost sacred, and Santana’s playing makes this thing almost unlistenable. Where Eric Clapton brought it to life by making a statement and leaving some space, Santana starts overplaying almost immediately. And the ghastly treatment of AC/DC’s “Back in Black,” with Nas rapping the vocal against Santana’s incessant wah-wah pedal…please, somebody get me outta here. And Cornell notwithstanding, “Whole Lotta Love” with congas? I don’t think so.

Here’s the big question: Since Santana himself is a guitar god, why are there no Santana songs here? Like maybe a new version of “Black Magic Woman,” where Carlos can really shine on some nice minor key blues licks, with perhaps Ian Astbury or Eddie Vedder doing the vocal? It’s hard not to be too judgmental here, but his contemporaries – i.e., Clapton, Beck, even Neal Schon – are still trying to make a go of it, and Santana does an album of covers? This will be a good record for backyard barbecues and beers, but not for much serious listening.

Re: I thought this was an interesting article..

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:27 am
by steveo777
fredinator wrote:It's a review of "Carlos Santana: Guitar Heaven: The Greatest Guitar Classics of All Time" and mentions Neal:

Carlos Santana must wake up every day thanking his lucky stars for Clive Davis. For most of the past four decades, the producer/record company executive has helped keep Santana on commercial track whenever he’s wanted to veer. And it was Davis who, more than a decade ago, started putting Santana together with young, hot singers to help keep his name alive.

Albums such as Supernatural, Shaman and All That I Am featured vocalists Rob Thomas, Seal, Dido and others in a calculated move to sell CDs, which is fine, given that the music business is, after all, a business. But the latest Santana/Davis project, Guitar Heaven: The Greatest Guitar Classics of All Time, may well be the final nail in the coffin of AOR.

On the all-covers Guitar Heaven, Santana hopefully meant to pay tribute to some of his friends and heroes, and not just simply try to get back on the charts. This is an album of (supposedly) great guitar songs which features, as usual, an array of hot younger singers. Chris Daughtry does a great job on Def Leppard’s “Photograph,” Scott Weiland tackles the Stones’ “Can’t You Hear Me Knockin’,” and Chris Cornell turns in a nice vocal on Led Zeppelin’s “Whole Lotta Love.” But how are “Photograph,” Van Halen’s poppy “Dance the Night Away” and the Doors’ “Riders on the Storm” considered “great guitar classics?”

As for Santana the guitarist, a lot of this album is the same thing he’s done for the past 40 years, bending one screaming note for three measures while people call it art. He does turn in a great performance on the old Willie Dixon/Jeff Beck nugget “I Ain’t Superstitious,” showing guest vocalist Jonny Lang how the old guys do it. And his work on “Riders on the Storm,” featuring Linkin Park’s Chester Bennington, may be his best playing on the album, with the song’s atypical structure forcing him to go outside a little. But much of this album misses the mark horribly, barely making it a cut above those “music in the style of (fill in the blank – Eagles, Garth Brooks etc.)” records.
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The first single from the CD is “While My Guitar Gently Weeps,” with a vocal by India.Arie and Yo-Yo Ma on cello. This song is an absolute classic, almost sacred, and Santana’s playing makes this thing almost unlistenable. Where Eric Clapton brought it to life by making a statement and leaving some space, Santana starts overplaying almost immediately. And the ghastly treatment of AC/DC’s “Back in Black,” with Nas rapping the vocal against Santana’s incessant wah-wah pedal…please, somebody get me outta here. And Cornell notwithstanding, “Whole Lotta Love” with congas? I don’t think so.

Here’s the big question: Since Santana himself is a guitar god, why are there no Santana songs here? Like maybe a new version of “Black Magic Woman,” where Carlos can really shine on some nice minor key blues licks, with perhaps Ian Astbury or Eddie Vedder doing the vocal? It’s hard not to be too judgmental here, but his contemporaries – i.e., Clapton, Beck, even Neal Schon – are still trying to make a go of it, and Santana does an album of covers? This will be a good record for backyard barbecues and beers, but not for much serious listening.


Maybe I read this wrong, but he kind of makes Schon and Clapton sound under accomplished? :?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:42 am
by Michigan Girl
Sounds that way to me too, Steveo ...since Beck and Clapton are consistently
listed in the top 20 ...25 , top 50 (at least), greatest guitarists of all time, this
author gives the impression that he/she is still trying to make a go of it!! :?

Guitar Heaven seems to be faring well!! :wink:
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The collaborative record made its debut at No. 5 on Billboard's album chart with sales of 66,000.


http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news ... 5_ST_N.htm

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:24 am
by Arkansas
Sounds to me like he's saying that these 'older' guys are still finding ways to make new music, why can't Carlos Santana do it too instead of doing covers?


later

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:41 am
by Michigan Girl
Arkansas wrote:Sounds to me like he's saying that these 'older' guys are still finding ways to make new music, why can't Carlos Santana do it too instead of doing covers?


later
Makes much more sense, doesn't it!?! :D :wink:

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:47 am
by Don
Clapton's new album debuted at #6 this week, not that it means much with the putrid sales numbers being generated today.
Santana's album came in at #5 last week.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:23 am
by fredinator
Arkansas wrote:Sounds to me like he's saying that these 'older' guys are still finding ways to make new music, why can't Carlos Santana do it too instead of doing covers?


later


This is the way I understood it especially since he goes on to say that it's not for much serious listening.

covers

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:13 am
by ltbob
I have only heard the cover of V.H., it sucks.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:05 am
by Starrider
I couldn't make it through While My Guitar Gently Weeps. It was a statistical anomaly in that in managed to simultaneously suck and blow. This is one of my favorite songs of all time. George Harrison is most likely rolling in his grave at this abomination. I had been looking forward to hearing Santana's take, but it was a huge embarrassing failure.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:19 am
by brandonx76
The Chris Cornell / Whole Lotta Love cover was really good... This reviewer has a problem with congas (I mean with Santana?!? come on now), because his mind was already made up with the album apparently... anyway check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usxJSckgxAk

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:42 am
by amaron
Santana has been dead to me since he needed to get "stars" to fill in vocals.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:17 am
by SF-Dano
amaron wrote:Santana has been dead to me since he needed to get "stars" to fill in vocals.


I agree. Not much of a fan of his "newer" music for this reason. But, as a business move, it sure has kept Santana(who would otherwise likely be as obscure as many of his peers now) on the radio and in the public eye.