Better DVD: Journey 2001 v. Live In Manila

[timstar78]

Which concert DVD do you prefer?

Journey 2001


Track Listing:
Intro
Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Ask The Lonely
Stone In Love
Higher Place
Send Her My Love
Lights
Who's Crying Now
Open Arms
Fillmore Boogie
All The Way
Escape
La Raza Del Sol
Wheel In The Sky
Be Good To Yourself
Any Way You Want It
Don't Stop Believin'
Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin'
Faithfully

or

Live In Manila


Track Listing:
Never Walk Away
Only The Young
Ask The Lonely
Stone In Love
Keep On Running
After All These Years
Change For The Better
Wheel In The Sky
Lights/Still They Ride
Open Arms
Mother Father
Wildest Dreams
When You Love A Woman
Separate Ways
What I Needed
Edge Of The Blade
Where Did I Lose Your Love
Escape
Faithfully
Don't Stop Believin'
Anyway You Want It
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'
Turn Down The World
Be Good To Yourself

[Arkansas]

Journey 2001 might be greater ...simply because it was used in so many future shows. Think about it. If this was the soundtrack to other Journey shows, then people loved it without knowing it.


later~

[Rockindeano]

Well, considering the first one, the vocals aren't even live, I'd select the second one, and I haven't even seen it.

[Don]

Until a Blu-Ray of the Manila show comes out AND fixes a lot of the audio idiosyncracies, the 2001 Vegas Disc takes the crown, even if it is all doctored up.

[Saint John]

This is tough. The Arrival DVD is better, but we all know why. The Manila DVD is deeper and has much less of a polished, but live, feel to it. I'll take the Manila DVD, based on its depth. But I really like them both.

[Jana]

I enjoy both.

[Rockindeano]

This is tough. The Arrival DVD is better, but we all know why. The Manila DVD is deeper and has much less of a polished, but live, feel to it. I'll take the Manila DVD, based on its depth. But I really like them both.

Back when I was still a good fan. I loved the Arrival dvd...now that I know it isn't even live....fuck all. Watching Augeri slide across the stage in his gay red leather pants, chumming it up with Frig...knowing he isn't live makes me vomit. I could watch Pineda because he sings so well, although I think his stage presence is embarrassing. His voice bails him out IMO.

[timstar78]

Though I like both, I give the edge to Live In Manila, in part due to the varied (and lengthy) set list.

[Ligzig]

Manila, for most of the reasons already listed here.

[stevew2]

2001 for sure,thats what got me back in to Journey,even if it wasnt all live,plus they used the sound tracks for the lipping fiasco for for future dates, must have been good enough for that, id rather see the wiggle then the running and jumpin around from Arnel

[Saint John]

id rather see the wiggle then the running and jumpin around from Arnel

It interrupts your focus on Friga, doesn't it?

[Michigan Girl]

'01 wins by default ...I've never seen Manila, but I've seen the gig!!

[zino]

This is tough. The Arrival DVD is better, but we all know why. The Manila DVD is deeper and has much less of a polished, but live, feel to it. I'll take the Manila DVD, based on its depth. But I really like them both.

Back when I was still a good fan. I loved the Arrival dvd...now that I know it isn't even live....fuck all. Watching Augeri slide across the stage in his gay red leather pants, chumming it up with Frig...knowing he isn't live makes me vomit. I could watch Pineda because he sings so well, although I think his stage presence is embarrassing. His voice bails him out IMO.

Agree here on all points Arrival was good but I cant watch it anymore..enough said on that..I always though Augeri's stage work was weak and forced. While Arnel goes way over the top..lay off the redbull !!! Like Arnel vocals though

[JRNYFan]

Though I like both, I give the edge to Live In Manila, in part due to the varied (and lengthy) set list.

My thoughts exactly

[Rick]

This is tough. The Arrival DVD is better, but we all know why. The Manila DVD is deeper and has much less of a polished, but live, feel to it. I'll take the Manila DVD, based on its depth. But I really like them both.

Back when I was still a good fan. I loved the Arrival dvd...now that I know it isn't even live....fuck all. Watching Augeri slide across the stage in his gay red leather pants, chumming it up with Frig...knowing he isn't live makes me vomit. I could watch Pineda because he sings so well, although I think his stage presence is embarrassing. His voice bails him out IMO.

I still watch the Arrival DVD, knowing what I know. I just don't let it bother me. I like the vibe of the DVD, and everything except Augeri's near death experience with the piano dive, makes it a good show. I just refuse to worry about it being doctored and I'm able to enjoy it. And like Steve said, that's the DVD that got me back into Journey, after a long sabbatical.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neither captures the band at their best. I like the extended solos on Manilla, but Arnel is pretty annoying. I gotta give it to 2001, fakery and all.

[Rockindeano]

Funny, but why wasn't Houston included in this poll? It would have, or should have been, a unanimous decision. That was a great dvd.

[stevew2]

id rather see the wiggle then the running and jumpin around from Arnel

It interrupts your focus on Friga, doesn't it?

The girl gets enough attention

[Enigma869]

I think we should roll out a poll about Augeri's red leather pants versus Neal's 1970's white man's afro

[Don]

I still think the Tokyo boot from 1981 is better than Houston.

[timstar78]

Funny, but why wasn't Houston included in this poll? It would have, or should have been, a unanimous decision. That was a great dvd.

Agreed. It's an excellent DVD.

I thought about it including it, but figured that would be a runaway win.

[Rockindeano]

I still think the Tokyo boot from 1981 is better than Houston.

Is that Rolies last show? If so, Herbie says that was indeed the best Journey show ever played. Or was this an Escape show? Either way, it wouldn't be as good as a Frontiers gig if the band would ever put out a show from that tour, because you would have the added songs that Frontiers produced....same thing with ROR...They are really missing an era where they could make some money...if they would just ask SP to produce an Frontiers or ROR show, it would sell.

[Don]

I still think the Tokyo boot from 1981 is better than Houston.

Is that Rolies last show? If so, Herbie says that was indeed the best Journey show ever played. Or was this an Escape show? Either way, it wouldn't be as good as a Frontiers gig if the band would ever put out a show from that tour, because you would have the added songs that Frontiers produced....same thing with ROR...They are really missing an era where they could make some money...if they would just ask SP to produce an Frontiers or ROR show, it would sell.

No, this is an Escape Show where they played The Party's Over, Lay Down, Too Late, etc. but left Open Arms off of the setlist.

[Jeremey]

I still think the Tokyo boot from 1981 is better than Houston.

Is that Rolies last show? If so, Herbie says that was indeed the best Journey show ever played. Or was this an Escape show? Either way, it wouldn't be as good as a Frontiers gig if the band would ever put out a show from that tour, because you would have the added songs that Frontiers produced....same thing with ROR...They are really missing an era where they could make some money...if they would just ask SP to produce an Frontiers or ROR show, it would sell.

No, this is an Escape Show where they played The Party's Over, Lay Down, Too Late, etc. but left Open Arms off of the setlist.

Is it the one with "Turn Around Tokyo" and the one where the back up delays on the "Too Late" got out of sync?

[Don]

I still think the Tokyo boot from 1981 is better than Houston.

Is that Rolies last show? If so, Herbie says that was indeed the best Journey show ever played. Or was this an Escape show? Either way, it wouldn't be as good as a Frontiers gig if the band would ever put out a show from that tour, because you would have the added songs that Frontiers produced....same thing with ROR...They are really missing an era where they could make some money...if they would just ask SP to produce an Frontiers or ROR show, it would sell.

No, this is an Escape Show where they played The Party's Over, Lay Down, Too Late, etc. but left Open Arms off of the setlist.

Is it the one with "Turn Around Tokyo" and the one where the back up delays on the "Too Late" got out of sync?

Yeah, it's also the one where Steve sang the same verse twice in Stone In Love and flubbed the lyrics on Keep On Running.
The spot on performance of DSB is great though along with the WITS. At the end of AWYWI, it looks like Perry is totally gassed but I still love the show.

[stevew2]

I still think the Tokyo boot from 1981 is better than Houston.

Is that Rolies last show? If so, Herbie says that was indeed the best Journey show ever played. Or was this an Escape show? Either way, it wouldn't be as good as a Frontiers gig if the band would ever put out a show from that tour, because you would have the added songs that Frontiers produced....same thing with ROR...They are really missing an era where they could make some money...if they would just ask SP to produce an Frontiers or ROR show, it would sell.

No, this is an Escape Show where they played The Party's Over, Lay Down, Too Late, etc. but left Open Arms off of the setlist.

Is it the one with "Turn Around Tokyo" and the one where the back up delays on the "Too Late" got out of sync?

Hi J,jax fm has been promoting the shit out your gig coming up at Rams Head Live in Baltimore on 12.17. Giving away free tickets,look forward to seeing you there.take care ,Steve

[Eric]

They stretch out a lot more on the Manila DVD....

[Michigan Girl]

Funny, but why wasn't Houston included in this poll? It would have, or should have been, a unanimous decision. That was a great dvd.

Agreed. It's an excellent DVD.

I thought about it including it, but figured that would be a runaway win.

Smart move!! People here may have extremely varying tastes, but not many of them are stupid!!

[lights1961]

I still think the Tokyo boot from 1981 is better than Houston.

Is that Rolies last show? If so, Herbie says that was indeed the best Journey show ever played. Or was this an Escape show? Either way, it wouldn't be as good as a Frontiers gig if the band would ever put out a show from that tour, because you would have the added songs that Frontiers produced....same thing with ROR...They are really missing an era where they could make some money...if they would just ask SP to produce an Frontiers or ROR show, it would sell.

Frontiers tour 1983 would be awesome on DVD....


I love the arrival 2001 DVD.....the manila show is okay...and Arnel gets annoying after a couple of hours...of running around... Neals playing is killer on arrival DVD...

[Archetype]

2001. Primarily for La Raza Del Sol, and the audio mix is easily 10x better. Really feels like a rock show. Manila sucks because the audio is horrible. Ask The Lonely especially, while it rocks on the 2001 DVD