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http://whoknew.news.yahoo.com/?vid=23485158

Thought it was interesting that they've used the current line up for the photo of Journey in the 'notable snubs' section, especially given how frequently old shots with SP are used. Mind you, they seem to have used recent line ups for all the band photos, with the notable exception of Kiss.

They've posted the photos of the reasons these bands won't get in!!
Kiss?!?!

After seeing the photo, all becomes clear. It looks like three retirees on an Asian sex tour showing off tonight's main course.

The Hall's decision seems like a no-brainer, now that the evidence has been submitted.

Donovan????? - What a joke the hall is. Notice the pic of the deciding comittee - Not one of those people looks like they have even been to a concert or "rocked" in their lives.

I knew the place was going to be a joke when both LA and SF were snubbed as the location for the hall. They apparently chose Cleavland because some DJ there supposedly was the first to use the term "Rock & Roll". It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

SF-Dano wrote:Donovan????? - What a joke the hall is. Notice the pic of the deciding comittee - Not one of those people looks like they have even been to a concert or "rocked" in their lives.

I knew the place was going to be a joke when both LA and SF were snubbed as the location for the hall. They apparently chose Cleavland because some DJ there supposedly was the first to use the term "Rock & Roll". It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Dano, the Hall is not a joke. Just because Journey isn't in yet, does not make it a joke. They'll eventually get in, so relax. Just because Heart is not getting in does not make it a joke either.

SF-Dano wrote:I knew the place was going to be a joke when both LA and SF were snubbed as the location for the hall. They apparently chose Cleavland because some DJ there supposedly was the first to use the term "Rock & Roll". It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Seriously, you raised an excellent point. How much more traffic would the joint have if they had placed it in an actual city that people give a fuck about?!?! How many people say, "Hey, lets' go to Cleveland and see the R&R HOF!!! And while we're there we can also see ... um ... well, there's the ... Hey, let's go to NY/LA/Chicago/Boston/SF/Miami, (or any one of about 328 other cities) instead!!!"

Cleveland is probably the safest citry in the country- for a terrorist attack. Why the Hell would a Towel headed Camel Driver want any piece of that place? Well, perhaps Detroit is right there too. There is talk, seriously, about razing half the city and turning it into farmland. Half of that city is NEVER coming back.

Having taken my fair shots at Cleveland, I have been there and did have one of the greatest party nights of my career. The Flats is amazing. I cannot tell you how much clam I consumed in that one Summer night in Cleveland, OH. Granted, I had sores and scabs on my shaft for the next 4 weeks and it hurt to pee, but I rallied back and am just fine today. The girl who serviced me could have sucked a taxi cab driver through immigration she was that good. Yes, she had a torn up Indians top on, which kind of helped me not think of the feeling down there. I was thinking how bad the tribe was and what a joke the Mistake by the Lake was. I went to a game at Municipal stadium. Capacity= 70,000. Attendance= 2,100....maybe. LOL, I did have good seats, right behind the Indians dugout. I was the only one there lighting up Albert Belle. people laughed at me but also told me that I must not cherish my life much. I didn't understand at the time. I do now. I will always remember the final score of the game. Tampa Bay Devil Rays 13, and your Cleveland Indians, 1. Omar Vizquel went deep in the bottom of the 9th to break up the shutout. Yes, I hung around for all 9 innings. The did serve molson Canadians, so maybe that's why I stayed. You could have fit the remaining fans into a meeting room, that's how sparse the crowd was. The security guy napped the entire game- dude never woke up.

Rockindeano wrote:Detroit

Is one of thee most famous music cities in the world!!
Show some r~e~s~p~e~c~t!!

Michigan Girl wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Detroit

Is one of thee most famous music cities in the world!!
Show some r~e~s~p~e~c~t!!

It's also hell on Earth now. A barren wasteland of shit and empty buildings. The following is an excerpt from an article. I provided the link to the entire (sad) article as well.

My friend said that what Detroit looks like now, particularly at night, is like a scene that you would see five or ten years after a Third World War. Everything is bulldozed, but it’s not all collected because there’s not much left after everyone has picked it apart. They just bulldoze it, chop it up and leave it in little piles. So imagine these little smoldering piles of rubble with these low wattage street lamps that are broken swinging back and forth. And don’t forget the rusted out water trucks bringing in water for the “survivors,” what else can you call them? They also bring in food from various charitable organizations and distribute free food like Spam and week old bread etc. The residents (survivors) in order to get anything have to register with the private security company and get a card which must be presented to the authorities if you want to get any water etc.

They also provide very rudimentary medical care, which is part of their contract service, to provide Band-Aids if the need arises.

It’s all very quiet and all you hear is the howling of feral dogs in this urban wasteland scene.


http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column417.html

Watch the first 15 minutes of 28 Days Later, when Cillian Murphy walks out ofthe empty hospital and there you have it, Detroit with a European skyline.

Saint John wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Detroit

Is one of thee most famous music cities in the world!!
Show some r~e~s~p~e~c~t!!

It's also hell on Earth now. A barren wasteland of shit and empty buildings. The following is an excerpt from an article. I provided the link to the entire (sad) article as well.

My friend said that what Detroit looks like now, particularly at night, is like a scene that you would see five or ten years after a Third World War. Everything is bulldozed, but it’s not all collected because there’s not much left after everyone has picked it apart. They just bulldoze it, chop it up and leave it in little piles. So imagine these little smoldering piles of rubble with these low wattage street lamps that are broken swinging back and forth. And don’t forget the rusted out water trucks bringing in water for the “survivors,” what else can you call them? They also bring in food from various charitable organizations and distribute free food like Spam and week old bread etc. The residents (survivors) in order to get anything have to register with the private security company and get a card which must be presented to the authorities if you want to get any water etc.

They also provide very rudimentary medical care, which is part of their contract service, to provide Band-Aids if the need arises.

It’s all very quiet and all you hear is the howling of feral dogs in this urban wasteland scene.


http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column417.html

That's heart~wrenching ...and not what all of Detroit is!!
Detroit is still very rich in history. Next time just stick a knife in my chest ...

Michigan Girl wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Detroit

Is one of thee most famous music cities in the world!!
Show some r~e~s~p~e~c~t!!

It's also hell on Earth now. A barren wasteland of shit and empty buildings. The following is an excerpt from an article. I provided the link to the entire (sad) article as well.

My friend said that what Detroit looks like now, particularly at night, is like a scene that you would see five or ten years after a Third World War. Everything is bulldozed, but it’s not all collected because there’s not much left after everyone has picked it apart. They just bulldoze it, chop it up and leave it in little piles. So imagine these little smoldering piles of rubble with these low wattage street lamps that are broken swinging back and forth. And don’t forget the rusted out water trucks bringing in water for the “survivors,” what else can you call them? They also bring in food from various charitable organizations and distribute free food like Spam and week old bread etc. The residents (survivors) in order to get anything have to register with the private security company and get a card which must be presented to the authorities if you want to get any water etc.

They also provide very rudimentary medical care, which is part of their contract service, to provide Band-Aids if the need arises.

It’s all very quiet and all you hear is the howling of feral dogs in this urban wasteland scene.


http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column417.html

That's heart~wrenching ...and not what all of Detroit is!!
Detroit is still very rich with history. Next time just stick a knife in my chest ...

If you ARE in Detroit, that can be arranged.

Don wrote:Watch the first 15 minutes of 28 Days Later, when Cillian Murphy walks out ofthe empty hospital and there you have it, Detroit with a European skyline.

You are just amazing. Where you come up with the shit you do is truly amazing. I swear I laugh at all your stuff dude. The thing is, I don't think you are even trying to be funny.

Where the fuck is Axel Foley when you need him? He left Wonder World a long time ago. He should have been back by now, especially after Victor Matlin bit the dust. I bet he is fishing for marlin with Taggert and Rosewood.

Don wrote:After seeing the photo, all becomes clear. It looks like three retirees on an Asian sex tour showing off tonight's main course.

lmfao

That's horrible ... but, still ...

Saint John wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Detroit

Is one of thee most famous music cities in the world!!
Show some r~e~s~p~e~c~t!!

It's also hell on Earth now. A barren wasteland of shit and empty buildings. The following is an excerpt from an article. I provided the link to the entire (sad) article as well.

My friend said that what Detroit looks like now, particularly at night, is like a scene that you would see five or ten years after a Third World War. Everything is bulldozed, but it’s not all collected because there’s not much left after everyone has picked it apart. They just bulldoze it, chop it up and leave it in little piles. So imagine these little smoldering piles of rubble with these low wattage street lamps that are broken swinging back and forth. And don’t forget the rusted out water trucks bringing in water for the “survivors,” what else can you call them? They also bring in food from various charitable organizations and distribute free food like Spam and week old bread etc. The residents (survivors) in order to get anything have to register with the private security company and get a card which must be presented to the authorities if you want to get any water etc.

They also provide very rudimentary medical care, which is part of their contract service, to provide Band-Aids if the need arises.

It’s all very quiet and all you hear is the howling of feral dogs in this urban wasteland scene.


http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column417.html

Dan, your a good guy. But you are so fucked in the head about the shit your saying about Cleveland. I know you've been here over night a time or two, but you don't live here and don't get to see what a great city Cleveland is. I've lived here for close to 39 years. I've been to 40 of the 50 states, and have been in most of the big cities in America. Never once have I been to a city that I would ever want to leave Cleveland to live in. I guarantee that if you were to spend a few weeks here you would like Cleveland and would change your tune about the city.

I like Chicago, it's my favorite city in America that's not in Ohio. However, are you aware that Chicago was considering having the National Guard patrol the city this past summer because the city is that dangerous.

Saint John wrote:

SF-Dano wrote:I knew the place was going to be a joke when both LA and SF were snubbed as the location for the hall. They apparently chose Cleavland because some DJ there supposedly was the first to use the term "Rock & Roll". It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Seriously, you raised an excellent point. How much more traffic would the joint have if they had placed it in an actual city that people give a fuck about?!?! How many people say, "Hey, lets' go to Cleveland and see the R&R HOF!!! And while we're there we can also see ... um ... well, there's the ... Hey, let's go to NY/LA/Chicago/Boston/SF/Miami, (or any one of about 328 other cities) instead!!!"

I intended to quote Dan for this post, not the one that I just quoted before this post here.

SF-Dano wrote:Donovan????? - What a joke the hall is. Notice the pic of the deciding comittee - Not one of those people looks like they have even been to a concert or "rocked" in their lives.

I knew the place was going to be a joke when both LA and SF were snubbed as the location for the hall. They apparently chose Cleavland because some DJ there supposedly was the first to use the term "Rock & Roll". It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Actually, Cleveland was chosen for many different reasons. One of which was that Cleveland kicked the asses of every one of the other cities that was trying to get the RHOF. There were petitions being singed in many different cities to get the RHOF. Cleveland had hundreds of thousands more votes that any other city. I believe Philadelphia came in second?

Cleveland was one of the most important cities in America for Rock music (And still is) back in the 50's and 60's.

Outside of Memphis, Cleveland was the first city that Elvis started having a large following in. And Elvis always said Cleveland was his favorite city to perform in outside of Memphis. On a side note, the Cleveland Browns were his favorite Football team.

There's a long list of musicians and bands that name Cleveland as being their favorite city (or at least one of their favorites) to perform in. That's why bands like Rush always thank Cleveland inside their albums, and record shows in Cleveland to release as a live album.

I'll agree that San Francisco is a good Rock city. But no damn way in hell is LA worthy of the Rock Hall Of Fame. By the way, San Francisco's own Huey Lewis intended the song "Heart Of Rock N Roll" to be strictly about Cleveland. He originally wrote "They say the heart of Rock N Roll is in Cleveland, and from what I've seen I believe em ................... the heart of Rock N Roll is in Cleveland." The record company told him he should change the song so that it would appeal to a wider audience. Notice however, that he still did put more emphasis on the name CLEVELAND than he did any of the other cities named in the song.

And there are also songs like "Cleveland Rocks" written by Ian Hunter, and "My Town" by The Michael Stanley Band," which is about Cleveland.

You are right that it was a DJ named Alan Freed that came up with the title "Rock N Roll."

Also, Dick Clark's "American Bandstand" was styled after a show in Cleveland called "UpBeat" that was hosted by Don Webster. "UpBeat" was the first show of it's kind in America, and lots of bands credit that show as being what "Made" the band success wise.

And I'll agree that it's seriously messed up how certain bands that should be in the RHOF already are not in yet. But that's not Cleveland's fault. It's not the city of Cleveland that gets to name who gets in and who doesn't get in.

Journey/Survivor wrote:
Outside of Memphis, Cleveland was the first city that Elvis started having a large following in. And Elvis always said Cleveland was his favorite city to perform in outside of Memphis. On a side note, the Cleveland Browns were his favorite Football team.

Hey Bill, good to see you around. I didn't know that about Elvis. Cool... especially the Browns part.

Journey/Survivor wrote:There's a long list of musicians and bands that name Cleveland as being their favorite city (or at least one of their favorites) to perform in. That's why bands like Rush always thank Cleveland inside their albums, and record shows in Cleveland to release as a live album.

Rush in particular would thank Cleveland because WMMS broke Working Man and hence made Cleveland Rush's first big American break.

Journey/Survivor wrote:You are right that it was a DJ named Alan Freed that came up with the title "Rock N Roll."

My goofy ass dad is as big of a music fan as I am and wanted to name me "Burton" after Burton Cummings. Luckily, my mom vetoed that, so the compromise was making my middle name Alan... after Alan Freed

Journey/Survivor wrote:And I'll agree that it's seriously messed up how certain bands that should be in the RHOF already are not in yet. But that's not Cleveland's fault. It's not the city of Cleveland that gets to name who gets in and who doesn't get in.

Exactly. It's all done in New York. It all starts and ends with that fruitcake Jann Wenner and his Rolling Stone hippie cronies. Cleveland, unfortunately, has nothing to do with it. If we did, I know what the musical pulse is like in this town and many more deserving bands would have been inducted years ago.

Honestly though Bill, people do have a point. There's not a whole lot to do here in the way of tourism... and a trip just for the Rock Hall is out of the question for many. Oh well, it is what it is.

Ehwmatt wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:
Outside of Memphis, Cleveland was the first city that Elvis started having a large following in. And Elvis always said Cleveland was his favorite city to perform in outside of Memphis. On a side note, the Cleveland Browns were his favorite Football team.

Hey Bill, good to see you around. I didn't know that about Elvis. Cool... especially the Browns part.

Journey/Survivor wrote:There's a long list of musicians and bands that name Cleveland as being their favorite city (or at least one of their favorites) to perform in. That's why bands like Rush always thank Cleveland inside their albums, and record shows in Cleveland to release as a live album.

Rush in particular would thank Cleveland because WMMS broke Working Man and hence made Cleveland Rush's first big American break.

Journey/Survivor wrote:You are right that it was a DJ named Alan Freed that came up with the title "Rock N Roll."

My goofy ass dad is as big of a music fan as I am and wanted to name me "Burton" after Burton Cummings. Luckily, my mom vetoed that, so the compromise was making my middle name Alan... after Alan Freed

Journey/Survivor wrote:And I'll agree that it's seriously messed up how certain bands that should be in the RHOF already are not in yet. But that's not Cleveland's fault. It's not the city of Cleveland that gets to name who gets in and who doesn't get in.

Exactly. It's all done in New York. It all starts and ends with that fruitcake Jann Wenner and his Rolling Stone hippie cronies. Cleveland, unfortunately, has nothing to do with it. If we did, I know what the musical pulse is like in this town and many more deserving bands would have been inducted years ago.

Honestly though Bill, people do have a point. There's not a whole lot to do here in the way of tourism... and a trip just for the Rock Hall is out of the question for many. Oh well, it is what it is.

Now we will call you Matthew Alan. snicker snicker.

Heh, mine is Stephen Edward, so @ me too.

Ehwmatt wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:
Outside of Memphis, Cleveland was the first city that Elvis started having a large following in. And Elvis always said Cleveland was his favorite city to perform in outside of Memphis. On a side note, the Cleveland Browns were his favorite Football team.

Hey Bill, good to see you around. I didn't know that about Elvis. Cool... especially the Browns part.

Journey/Survivor wrote:There's a long list of musicians and bands that name Cleveland as being their favorite city (or at least one of their favorites) to perform in. That's why bands like Rush always thank Cleveland inside their albums, and record shows in Cleveland to release as a live album.

Rush in particular would thank Cleveland because WMMS broke Working Man and hence made Cleveland Rush's first big American break.

Journey/Survivor wrote:You are right that it was a DJ named Alan Freed that came up with the title "Rock N Roll."

My goofy ass dad is as big of a music fan as I am and wanted to name me "Burton" after Burton Cummings. Luckily, my mom vetoed that, so the compromise was making my middle name Alan... after Alan Freed

Journey/Survivor wrote:And I'll agree that it's seriously messed up how certain bands that should be in the RHOF already are not in yet. But that's not Cleveland's fault. It's not the city of Cleveland that gets to name who gets in and who doesn't get in.

Exactly. It's all done in New York. It all starts and ends with that fruitcake Jann Wenner and his Rolling Stone hippie cronies. Cleveland, unfortunately, has nothing to do with it. If we did, I know what the musical pulse is like in this town and many more deserving bands would have been inducted years ago.

Honestly though Bill, people do have a point. There's not a whole lot to do here in the way of tourism... and a trip just for the Rock Hall is out of the question for many. Oh well, it is what it is.

Actually, outside of some of the obvious tourism cities like NY, DC, LV and Orlando, there's more to do/see in Cleveland than in most other cities.

There have been over 7.5 million visitors to the RHOF, with only 10% of those people being from north-east Ohio.

I'll have to go back and check (but not tonight, it's late) but I believe that Cleveland is ranked as the 6th best cultural city in America.

Journey/Survivor wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:
Outside of Memphis, Cleveland was the first city that Elvis started having a large following in. And Elvis always said Cleveland was his favorite city to perform in outside of Memphis. On a side note, the Cleveland Browns were his favorite Football team.

Hey Bill, good to see you around. I didn't know that about Elvis. Cool... especially the Browns part.

Journey/Survivor wrote:There's a long list of musicians and bands that name Cleveland as being their favorite city (or at least one of their favorites) to perform in. That's why bands like Rush always thank Cleveland inside their albums, and record shows in Cleveland to release as a live album.

Rush in particular would thank Cleveland because WMMS broke Working Man and hence made Cleveland Rush's first big American break.

Journey/Survivor wrote:You are right that it was a DJ named Alan Freed that came up with the title "Rock N Roll."

My goofy ass dad is as big of a music fan as I am and wanted to name me "Burton" after Burton Cummings. Luckily, my mom vetoed that, so the compromise was making my middle name Alan... after Alan Freed

Journey/Survivor wrote:And I'll agree that it's seriously messed up how certain bands that should be in the RHOF already are not in yet. But that's not Cleveland's fault. It's not the city of Cleveland that gets to name who gets in and who doesn't get in.

Exactly. It's all done in New York. It all starts and ends with that fruitcake Jann Wenner and his Rolling Stone hippie cronies. Cleveland, unfortunately, has nothing to do with it. If we did, I know what the musical pulse is like in this town and many more deserving bands would have been inducted years ago.

Honestly though Bill, people do have a point. There's not a whole lot to do here in the way of tourism... and a trip just for the Rock Hall is out of the question for many. Oh well, it is what it is.

Actually, outside of some of the obvious tourism cities like NY, DC, LV and Orlando, there's more to do/see in Cleveland than in most other cities.

There have been over 7.5 million visitors to the RHOF, with only 10% of those people being from north-east Ohio.

I'll have to go back and check (but not tonight, it's late) but I believe that Cleveland is ranked as the 6th best cultural city in America.

Bill, there is a LOT of great cultural stuff here... our food/restaurants are top-notch, quality and diversity-wise. Great arts district with Playhouse Square, Severance Hall, The Cleveland Orchestra and what not. Our museums are solid, the zoo is one of the better ones (I think), and all that.... but the fact of the matter is that to an outsider looking in, you walk around downtown, and it's just a ghost town. Whenever I go in to work or school on Saturday downtown, it's just unbelievable - there's nobody out on the streets at all even in the middle of the afternoon. It's not a vibrant city in that regard, and to many visitors, that makes an indelible lasting impression.

Don't get me wrong, I chose to come back here after college when I coulda gone to any region of the country. Family and friends are important to me, and it is a simple place to live with enough to do for the most part. But, I can't lie, I've definitely wondered a bit about my choice in the last 6 months. There just isn't a lot of hope for the city with all the corruption, fund shortages, the lack of youth in the professional sector, overall and lack of jobs/growth. The sports climate really does depress the fuck out of me too, but I'm stuck with that for life anyway - I would never root for another city's team. The winter weather doesn't help my cause. It makes me wonder if I really do want to raise a family here.

Great Post, Bill!! Love the passion!!
Geezuz Jenny, some folks need
to get out more ...RnR loved the midwest in general
for a reason ...or many!! Hell, you stand better chances every day
of getting stabbed in L.A. or any part of Cali ...now that the serial stabber
has been arrested!!