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Pretty simple here...

Lets say that it was Schon, not Perry, that left Journey, in 86'. Few questions...

Do you think they would still be a success today?
Would you still be a fan?
What kind of music do you think that Journey would put out?
Would Schon have been more active/successful alone then Perry has been?

Do you think they would still be a success today? With Perry still singing? YES.


Would you still be a fan? YES.


What kind of music do you think that Journey would put out? Journey Music.


Would Schon have been more active/successful alone then Perry has been? No. He's a "musicians musician", and the masses want songs with lyrics... not shredding..

Schon Rules All wrote:Pretty simple here...

Lets say that it was Schon, not Perry, that left Journey, in 86'. Few questions...

Do you think they would still be a success today?
Would you still be a fan?
What kind of music do you think that Journey would put out?
Would Schon have been more active/successful alone then Perry has been?

Tough questions, since I have no idea how Journey would sound without Schon. My gut tells me that
the signature sound of Journey would change more dramatically without Schon than with a lead singer
change. If Schon left, I'd probably be done too, as a current fan.

I feel like it would be Lincoln Brewster or someone in that spot. Although he is good, I don't think we would hear anymore licks that make you say OH WOW

Schon Rules All wrote:Pretty simple here...

Lets say that it was Schon, not Perry, that left Journey, in 86'. Few questions...

Do you think they would still be a success today?
Would you still be a fan?
What kind of music do you think that Journey would put out?
Would Schon have been more active/successful alone then Perry has been?

YES
YES
Good stuff
More active, yes, if we're basing it on what we know now. More successful ....mmmm, NO!!

Where would Augeri be ?

Behshad wrote:Where would Augeri be ?

Probably not in the picture at all, which would be a loss...

Michigan Girl wrote:More active

LOL

Anyway, I would say all around probably a little more relevant than they are today, but not by much. Unfortunately, most people listen to music for the lyrics and/or singers voice instead of enjoying, you know, the actual MUSIC. So the sheeple would be happy.

Schon Rules All wrote:Pretty simple here...

Lets say that it was Schon, not Perry, that left Journey, in 86'. Few questions...

Do you think they would still be a success today?
Would you still be a fan?
What kind of music do you think that Journey would put out?
Would Schon have been more active/successful alone then Perry has been?

1. Yes, but no where near what they were in 80s.
2. I don't know - considering I am not a fan of Perry's solo material, probably not
3. Slow, reflective, moody music - Adult contemporary. Don't think it would sound much like the Journey we have known.
4. Schon would definitely be more active. Successful? Depends on what you consider successful. Schon is still out there playing and creating. Perry - not so much.

Are we to assume Perry kept his voice and Neal lost his fingers?

NoMoreTails wrote:Are we to assume Perry kept his voice and Neal lost his fingers?

Saint John wrote:

NoMoreTails wrote:Are we to assume Perry kept his voice and Neal lost his fingers?

This is what I pictured as I

Schon Rules All wrote:Pretty simple here...

Lets say that it was Schon, not Perry, that left Journey, in 86'. Few questions...

Do you think they would still be a success today?

if Perry didn't stop working, and was willing to gradually modernize the sound over the previous 25 years...maybe.

Schon Rules All wrote:Would you still be a fan?

probably. Perry has a good voice, so probably.

Schon Rules All wrote:What kind of music do you think that Journey would put out?

probably some variation of melodic rock. Some somewhat modernized version of Journey.

Schon Rules All wrote:Would Schon have been more active/successful alone then Perry has been?

who knows. As a solo artist, unlikely. What he has done solo has limited commercial appeal at least as far as radio is concerned. With a band, maybe.

Behshad wrote:

Saint John wrote:

NoMoreTails wrote:Are we to assume Perry kept his voice and Neal lost his fingers?

This is what I pictured as I

Ouch !
Without fingers Neal still could manage to play those Journey songs but in a different way..like this maybe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ldTGno__58

actually I wonder what the situation would have been if Schon went to play for clapton instead of Carlos... and never met Greg???

From ’86 to [url]present time[/url], with the same tour schedules, NO. How many years do you think Mr. Perry had remaining? Steve Perry cannot be Steve Perry indefinite. SP burned his candle on both ends. His legacy as a supernatural vocalist was/is respected in industry and arenas.

Mr. Schon has had numerous incarnations, collaborations and solo projects. How successful have those ventures been?
The core of the matter is, as a performer, do you feel content on the proverbial treadmill. Is it a job to maintain a lifestyle or is it an expression of your inner self?

My question is, would prior band members have returned knowing Mr. Schon had severed his ties with Journey (Mr. Perry on board)?

From the first day Journey was founded till this day Neal Schon is the Heart and Soul of Journey and he will remain so till the last day he plays his guitar!

cudaclan wrote:From ’86 to [url]present time[/url], with the same tour schedules, NO. How many years do you think Mr. Perry had remaining? Steve Perry cannot be Steve Perry indefinite. SP burned his candle on both ends. His legacy as a supernatural vocalist was/is respected in industry and arenas.

Mr. Schon has had numerous incarnations, collaborations and solo projects. How successful have those ventures been?
The core of the matter is, as a performer, do you feel content on the proverbial treadmill. Is it a job to maintain a lifestyle or is it an expression of your inner self?

My question is, would prior band members have returned knowing Mr. Schon had severed his ties with Journey (Mr. Perry on board)?

The only possible one that comes to my mind would be Steve Smith. You can believe the press release versions on why Gregg left, or why Dunbar was fired, but I don't buy those for a second. (Maybe Randy Jackson might return if Perry called, but I don't really count him as a true member of Journey).

Schon Rules All wrote:Pretty simple here...

Lets say that it was Schon, not Perry, that left Journey, in 86'. Few questions...

Do you think they would still be a success today?

No. They would not exist because they would have stopped recording/touring in the early 90's.

Would you still be a fan?

Of everything prior to ROR.

What kind of music do you think that Journey would put out?

Something that sounds like Survivor covering Air Supply.

Would Schon have been more active/successful alone then Perry has been?

Solo? No. Success in a different band? Yes...because Herbie would have dumped Journey and managed a new band with Neal and maybe Chalfant singing. Who knows...but it would be better then what Journey would be like without Neal.

I agree with Monker. Sad thing is that people seem to not be able to disagree or won't disagree with Mr. Perry. I think Mr. Perry gets tied up in knots after a bit without someone countering his opinions. Sometimes you leave people to their own devices and it just doesn't work out for them. Neal knew what he wanted and unfortunately he didn't stick with that at the time. He screwed himself a bit. But that is the past and there is nothing that can be done to change how things went at the time.

Ritchie wrote:From the first day Journey was founded till this day Neal Schon is the Heart and Soul of Journey and he will remain so till the last day he plays his guitar!

I agree to these terms.

Steve Smith would be there w/SP ...Jon Cain would be in hog heaven, (that's a southern
term which he understands now that he's in Tennessee) Ross would stay ...but would
Perry keep him or give RJ a call?!? ...either way, Jon would be there to make the calls
and loving it!! I'm not sure who would be on geetar ...Lincoln?!?

Michigan Girl wrote:Steve Smith would be there w/SP ...Jon Cain would be in hog heaven, (that's a southern
term which he understands now that he's in Tennessee) Ross would stay ...but would
Perry keep him or give RJ a call?!? ...either way, Jon would be there to make the calls
and loving it!! I'm not sure who would be on geetar ...Lincoln?!?

Ross would been replaced with RJ in a heartbeat and rightfully so !

Schon Rules All wrote:Do you think they would still be a success today?

As in playing live still? You have to be kidding. Nostrildamus was barely a 10 year flash in the pan, didn't take any sort of care of his voice, and has always been a quitter (first band when bandmate was killed, Journey in 1986, solo in 1994 and Journey again in 1996). He would have packed it up after (possibly) one tour post-ROR and we would hear what we hear from him today ... nothing.

Schon Rules All wrote:Would you still be a fan?

Of what? There would be no Journey today. I will always be a huge fan of the 1980-1984 contributions, a pretty big fan of what I've heard so far from the 2007-current lineup, a concert-going fan of the Augeri years, a casual fan of the '77-'79/'86-'96 stuff and an indifferent fan to most of the early "fusion" stuff.

Schon Rules All wrote:What kind of music do you think that Journey would put out?

One album of pseudo-soul soft rock and then Elvis would have left the building.

Schon Rules All wrote:Would Schon have been more active/successful alone then Perry has been?

Well, Nostrildamus didn't exactly raise the bar very high post-Journey with the aborted Against The Wall and FTLOSM. I'm quite sure that Schon would have eventually found a band/bands that could surpass the 3-5 hundred thousand albums that FTLOSM sold. As far as being more "active" than him, that's not too hard to do. Nancy Reagan is more active than him.

What we'd have would be very similar to Guns-N-Roses.
Like Slash, Schon would go on to do whatever...and be successful.
Like Rose, Perry would take decades to do anything...and end up burying the name.


later~

Arkansas wrote:What we'd have would be very similar to Guns-N-Roses.
Like Slash, Schon would go on to do whatever...and be successful.
Like Rose, Perry would take decades to do anything...and end up burying the name.


later~

Great analogy.

Not a great analogy ...Slash hasn't been around as long as Schon ...mid~eighties?!?!
And has been waaay more relevant/known ...so no!! Most people would say
"who's Schon?" Everyone knows Slash!!

Michigan Girl wrote:Not a great analogy ...Slash hasn't been around as long as Schon ...mid~eighties?!?!
And has been waaay more relevant/known ...so no!! Most people would say
"who's Schon?" Everyone knows Slash!!

People that know good music (in this genre) know who Schon is. Now that may not be "most" as you stated, but I think it would be enough to keep him making money and living comfortably. I do agree Slash is a bigger name these days though. Give Slash another decade though and who knows if anyone will even remember him then. I will say this, he is not even in Schon's league as far as talent on the guitar goes. Slash relevant? Recently? Please explain. I don't think the guy has been relevant since the mid/late 90s. Known yes, relevent .... not so much. Could that change...... sure.

SF-Dano wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:Not a great analogy ...Slash hasn't been around as long as Schon ...mid~eighties?!?!
And has been waaay more relevant/known ...so no!! Most people would say
"who's Schon?" Everyone knows Slash!!

People that know good music (in this genre) know who Schon is. Now that may not be "most" as you stated, but I think it would be enough to keep him making money and living comfortably. I do agree Slash is a bigger name these days though. Give Slash another decade though and who knows if anyone will even remember him then. I will say this, he is not even in Schon's league as far as talent on the guitar goes. Slash relevant? Recently? Please explain. I don't think the guy has been relevant since the mid/late 90s. Known yes, relevent .... not so much. Could that change...... sure.

I'm having a hard time being convinced when Schon has to cancel his solo tour
due to lack of sales ...I haven't heard of that happeneing to Slash, but if it has ...do tell!!
When you speak of relevance, how shall we measure ...other than notoriety?!?

Michigan Girl wrote:Not a great analogy ...Slash hasn't been around as long as Schon ...mid~eighties?!?!
And has been waaay more relevant/known ...so no!! Most people would say
"who's Schon?" Everyone knows Slash!!

Below is the crux of the analogy and you didn't do anything to disprove said theory/analogy but sidetrack it into a dick measuring contest of name recognition!

Like Slash, Schon would go on to do whatever...and be successful.
Like Rose, Perry would take decades to do anything...and end up burying the name.