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I was just checking my Facebook and this is what I see from the Frontiers page:

"It appears Journey has cracked down and had all YouTube videos removed from tribute bands. I guess this means Arnel's in for the long haul!"

Isn't it ironic that after Neal searched tribute bands to find his new singer, that the band is having most of them removed, INCLUDING the official videos from the Frontiers channel?!

Guess I'm not going to bother uploading anything Infinity does.

I know it's their right, but it just seems unfair to those guys like Jeremey who work their asses off to bring people quality, affordable concerts that nearly rival the band itself. Journey should be thankful because tribute bands are good for them.

I still see tribute band videos up on youtube. I think the issue here is sites outside of youtube hosting the links with out paying license fees.

Infinity Vocalist 2010 wrote:I was just checking my Facebook and this is what I see from the Frontiers page:

"It appears Journey has cracked down and had all YouTube videos removed from tribute bands. I guess this means Arnel's in for the long haul!"

Isn't it ironic that after Neal searched tribute bands to find his new singer, that the band is having most of them removed, INCLUDING the official videos from the Frontiers channel?!

Guess I'm not going to bother uploading anything Infinity does.

I know it's their right, but it just seems unfair to those guys like Jeremey who work their asses off to bring people quality, affordable concerts that nearly rival the band itself. Journey should be thankful because tribute bands are good for them.

Are you sure it's Journey and not Sony, or even Perry?

Monker wrote:

Infinity Vocalist 2010 wrote:I was just checking my Facebook and this is what I see from the Frontiers page:

"It appears Journey has cracked down and had all YouTube videos removed from tribute bands. I guess this means Arnel's in for the long haul!"

Isn't it ironic that after Neal searched tribute bands to find his new singer, that the band is having most of them removed, INCLUDING the official videos from the Frontiers channel?!

Guess I'm not going to bother uploading anything Infinity does.

I know it's their right, but it just seems unfair to those guys like Jeremey who work their asses off to bring people quality, affordable concerts that nearly rival the band itself. Journey should be thankful because tribute bands are good for them.

Are you sure it's Journey and not Sony, or even Perry?

I think this is Sony. Of Course, Jeremey could probably let us know the specifics.

Probably. But I don't see why the band can't perhaps make a page on their site dedicated to their outstanding tributes. Just to show some appreciation. KISS does it on their official site, so it's not a stretch for other bands that get paid tribute to.

Don't other artists pay a fee when they perform those songs? Wouldn't that fee cover videos as well?

Yeah, I'd like to know what J knows as well. What I posted was all he had to say on the Frontiers page so far.

RossValoryRocks wrote:Don't other artists pay a fee when they perform those songs? Wouldn't that fee cover videos as well?

It covers the venue's fee for a live performance of the song or audio from the jukebox, etc. but when a video is availible then I think you have licensing come into the picture be it for TV ,movies, or internet streaming.

Basically, Without a synch license (to put video to the copyrighted songs), these type of videos are illegal. Aerosmith, Bon Jovi and other have done the same thing so Journey doing it, while not expected is perfectly legit.

Don wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Don't other artists pay a fee when they perform those songs? Wouldn't that fee cover videos as well?

It covers the venue's fee for a live performance of the song or audio from the jukebox, etc. but when a video is availible then I think you have licensing come into the picture be it for TV ,movies, or internet streaming.

I figured it would cover both...I don't know all the ins and outs of the licensing stuff.

RossValoryRocks wrote:

Don wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Don't other artists pay a fee when they perform those songs? Wouldn't that fee cover videos as well?

It covers the venue's fee for a live performance of the song or audio from the jukebox, etc. but when a video is availible then I think you have licensing come into the picture be it for TV ,movies, or internet streaming.

I figured it would cover both...I don't know all the ins and outs of the licensing stuff.

That's why the band still needs Perry to sign off on movies, TV and probably even their own DVD releases. Video has a bunch of different rules than audio copyright.

Don wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

Don wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Don't other artists pay a fee when they perform those songs? Wouldn't that fee cover videos as well?

It covers the venue's fee for a live performance of the song or audio from the jukebox, etc. but when a video is availible then I think you have licensing come into the picture be it for TV ,movies, or internet streaming.

I figured it would cover both...I don't know all the ins and outs of the licensing stuff.

That's why the band still needs Perry to sign off on movies, TV and probably even their own DVD releases. Video has a bunch of different rules than audio copyright.

I don't think he does anymore...my understanding, and it could be wrong, was a 10 year agreement on all that...then NoMota gets to do what it wants.

RossValoryRocks wrote:

Don wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

Don wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Don't other artists pay a fee when they perform those songs? Wouldn't that fee cover videos as well?

It covers the venue's fee for a live performance of the song or audio from the jukebox, etc. but when a video is availible then I think you have licensing come into the picture be it for TV ,movies, or internet streaming.

I figured it would cover both...I don't know all the ins and outs of the licensing stuff.

That's why the band still needs Perry to sign off on movies, TV and probably even their own DVD releases. Video has a bunch of different rules than audio copyright.

I don't think he does anymore...my understanding, and it could be wrong, was a 10 year agreement on all that...then NoMota gets to do what it wants.

I think he'll always have a vote with stuff that he's on/in.

RossValoryRocks wrote:

Don wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

Don wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:Don't other artists pay a fee when they perform those songs? Wouldn't that fee cover videos as well?

It covers the venue's fee for a live performance of the song or audio from the jukebox, etc. but when a video is availible then I think you have licensing come into the picture be it for TV ,movies, or internet streaming.

I figured it would cover both...I don't know all the ins and outs of the licensing stuff.

That's why the band still needs Perry to sign off on movies, TV and probably even their own DVD releases. Video has a bunch of different rules than audio copyright.

I don't think he does anymore...my understanding, and it could be wrong, was a 10 year agreement on all that...then NoMota gets to do what it wants.

This isn't a band thing, I'm talking copyright law, that trumps any agreement with the band. I think the whole ten year agreement thing was based more on him getting a % of their touring revenue. All the other things aren't up for negotiation unless the band want's to BUY out his rights, which I can't even imagine him agreeing to. 10 years ago maybe, but with the way the back catalog is going and licensing requests out the ass, that's probably not something that Perry will even entertain anymore.

yup... Perry's not giving that up.. thats the gift that keeps on giving... er paying...

Nothing to say here.

Be forewarned, there is always the possibilty that I'm talking out of my ass.

Maybe this is just because of the upcoming tour.

The band, management, old label, etc, doesn't want anything online they deem not the real deal. If someone somewhere in the world asks 'who is Journey' and then via youtube search listens to anything-Journey, there might be consumer confusion on who the real journey actually is. Joe Ticketbuyer might even be compelled to not go to a concert based on some youtube quality issue. So, by pulling as many non-Journey vids as possible from 'the internet', Journey potentially gets more ticket sales & cleaner exposure. And, potential new youtubes of Eclipse will be real Journey.

Just quick speculaton.


later~

RossValoryRocks wrote:Don't other artists pay a fee when they perform those songs? Wouldn't that fee cover videos as well?

Nice pic, Stu...where's your faggoty yellow Steeler visor?

Arkansas wrote:Maybe this is just because of the upcoming tour.

The band, management, old label, etc, doesn't want anything online they deem not the real deal. If someone somewhere in the world asks 'who is Journey' and then via youtube search listens to anything-Journey, there might be consumer confusion on who the real journey actually is. Joe Ticketbuyer might even be compelled to not go to a concert based on some youtube quality issue. So, by pulling as many non-Journey vids as possible from 'the internet', Journey potentially gets more ticket sales & cleaner exposure. And, potential new youtubes of Eclipse will be real Journey.

Just quick speculaton.


later~

I think it is because they dont want to get beaten at their own game. I have nothing against the new Journey doing new stuff but some of the tribute acts sound more like Journey or at least have a vocalist that is a better fit than Arnel on the old tunes. At one point I was really sold on Arnel and I like what he does on Rev when he is being himself and singing in a more natural way however I really dont like him on a lot of old stuff. He lacks dynamics in his singing and it just seems like has to yell too much to hit certain notes. DSB for example.. The opening lyrics when sang by Perry were in fact soft live and studio so why does everyone else put so much force in their voices to sing those parts ? Arnel sings the whole song at pretty much the same level. It irks me because the lack of dynamics leads to an absence of emotion at least to me. Guys like Kelty and Jeremey do a better job at that IMHO.

Journey to me just lacks the grace that it had before and comes off very forced live on the classics. Happy for Arnel, hope the new cd is good and wish them the best. Fact is that my ears prefer Jason Kelty over Arnel period. Jason used to be a Perry clone but he seems to sing more with his own voice now and really uses the "Perry vowels" because you have to say cit-tay in lights or it wouldnt sound right. Right ? I would really love to hear Jason with Journey since the dirty dozen will be played at every show until they stop. He just does them better period. I like Jeremey as well but I think the road is starting to wear his top end out a but. It will happen to anyone that sings this catalog for too long as we have seen.

Now if this new cd is a slamming rocker as they claim I feel Arnel may really shine. They are never going to out do their old ballads and anymore their ballads seem like filler to me. The rocking tunes always seem to have more genuine soul at least to my ear and I want more of those. Make the ballad the chorus of the song instead of the whole song then get back to melting faces for the verses. I would like to see them do that more.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

Arkansas wrote:Maybe this is just because of the upcoming tour.

The band, management, old label, etc, doesn't want anything online they deem not the real deal. If someone somewhere in the world asks 'who is Journey' and then via youtube search listens to anything-Journey, there might be consumer confusion on who the real journey actually is. Joe Ticketbuyer might even be compelled to not go to a concert based on some youtube quality issue. So, by pulling as many non-Journey vids as possible from 'the internet', Journey potentially gets more ticket sales & cleaner exposure. And, potential new youtubes of Eclipse will be real Journey.

Just quick speculaton.


later~

I think it is because they done want to get beaten at their own game. I have nothing against the new Journey but some of the tribute acts sound more like Journey or at least have a vocalist that is a better fit than Arnel. At one point I was really sold on Arnel and I like what he does on Rev however I really dont like him on a lot of old stuff. He lacks dynamics in his singing and it just seems like has to yell too much to hit certain notes. Journey to me just lacks the grace that it had before and comes off very forced live. Happy for Arnel, hope the new cd is good and wish them the best. Fact is that my ears prefer Jason Kelty over Arnel period. Jason used to be a Perry clone but he seems to sing more with his own voice now and really uses the "Perry vowels" because you have to say cit-tay in lights or it wouldnt sound right. Right ? I would really love to hear Jason with Journey since the dirty dozen will be played at every show until they stop. He just does them better period.

Now if this new cd is a slamming rocker as they claim I feel Arnel may really shine. They are never going to out do their old ballads and anymore their ballads seem like filler to me. The rocking tunes always seem to have more genuine soul at least to my ear and I want more of those. Make the ballad the chorus of the song instead of the whole song then get back to melting faces for the verses. I would like to see them do that more.

I can relate to where you are coming from a little bit. I would really like this to be a rocking album and if this becomes Journey 2.0, with a different sound, I'm cool with that.
I've had a change of heart and am not for them dipping too much into the back catalog anymore. As we've seen on the last few tours, the hits are the ones getting uploaded on youtube, not the newer stuff and that just continues the comparison shit, which Arnel is never going to be able to live up to, especially if you have DSB getting played every five minutes and hence Steve Perry being asked for the thousandth time how the song came to be.
Just play more and more of the new stuff, from Revelation forward and it's all good. Be a Van Hagar this time around, not a continuous tribute to the Escape era. Play five or six of the hits and just beat everyone over the head with the new stuff. If you have well known opening acts like a Heart or Foreigner, tickets will sell regardless.

This album is being built up beyond belief (at least in our little Journey universe) If you are proud of it, play it live and let everyone else be damned.

Don wrote:

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

Arkansas wrote:Maybe this is just because of the upcoming tour.

The band, management, old label, etc, doesn't want anything online they deem not the real deal. If someone somewhere in the world asks 'who is Journey' and then via youtube search listens to anything-Journey, there might be consumer confusion on who the real journey actually is. Joe Ticketbuyer might even be compelled to not go to a concert based on some youtube quality issue. So, by pulling as many non-Journey vids as possible from 'the internet', Journey potentially gets more ticket sales & cleaner exposure. And, potential new youtubes of Eclipse will be real Journey.

Just quick speculaton.


later~

I think it is because they done want to get beaten at their own game. I have nothing against the new Journey but some of the tribute acts sound more like Journey or at least have a vocalist that is a better fit than Arnel. At one point I was really sold on Arnel and I like what he does on Rev however I really dont like him on a lot of old stuff. He lacks dynamics in his singing and it just seems like has to yell too much to hit certain notes. Journey to me just lacks the grace that it had before and comes off very forced live. Happy for Arnel, hope the new cd is good and wish them the best. Fact is that my ears prefer Jason Kelty over Arnel period. Jason used to be a Perry clone but he seems to sing more with his own voice now and really uses the "Perry vowels" because you have to say cit-tay in lights or it wouldnt sound right. Right ? I would really love to hear Jason with Journey since the dirty dozen will be played at every show until they stop. He just does them better period.

Now if this new cd is a slamming rocker as they claim I feel Arnel may really shine. They are never going to out do their old ballads and anymore their ballads seem like filler to me. The rocking tunes always seem to have more genuine soul at least to my ear and I want more of those. Make the ballad the chorus of the song instead of the whole song then get back to melting faces for the verses. I would like to see them do that more.

I can relate to where you are coming from a little bit. I would really like this to be a rocking album and if this becomes Journey 2.0, with a different sound, I'm cool with that.
I've had a change of heart and am not for them dipping too much into the back catalog anymore. As we've seen on the last few tours, the hits are the ones getting uploaded on youtube, not the newer stuff and that just continues the comparison shit, which Arnel is never going to be able to live up to, especially if you have DSB getting played every five minutes and hence Steve Perry being asked for the thousandth time how the song came to be.
Just play more and more of the new stuff, from Revelation forward and it's all good. Be a Van Hagar this time around, not a continuous tribute to the Escape era. Play five or six of the hits and just beat everyone over the head with the new stuff. If you have well known opening acts like a Heart or Foreigner, tickets will sell regardless.

This album is being built up beyond belief (at least in our little Journey universe) If you are proud of it, play it live and let everyone else be damned.

Azoff would never allow it.

Adult Contemporary formats makes up half of the radio stations in the U.S. You are talking hundreds of air-plays a day of Classic journey, featuring the voice of Perry. That's what current Journey is up against everyday. Look at the last article posted here. Three years on and one of the first things mentioned is Journey's 'sound alike' singer. Eclipse COULD be the album that gives them some separation from the nostalgia title. It depends who dictates what gets played, the fans or the band. It's going to be cool to see how it all plays out.

Infinity Vocalist 2010 wrote: I know it's their right, but it just seems unfair to those guys like Jeremey who work their asses off to bring people quality, affordable concerts that nearly rival the band itself. Journey should be thankful because tribute bands are good for them.

Agree that tribute bands essentially act as free advertising for the band. Disagree that they nearly rival the real thing. Maybe vocally, but not overall.

Having Foreigner hooked to Journey in Europe and even Co-headlining on some of the bills, Azoff is using the popularity of DSB to get exposure and sell tickets for TWO bands, not just one. If he teams Journey up with a GREAT middle act in the states, This will be a top ten tour.

It's obvious he is not selling Journey as a re-invented band in Europe, these packages are built to bring in the nostalgia loving demographic big time.
In the states, though, it will be interesting to see if it's Journey plus two AOR bands or if they bring in a current band that might need a little help with exposure and also bring Journey another faction of fans who might not have watched them otherwise.

Regardless of whose idea this is, it's yet another ill-conceived thought. These old fucks should be thankful anyone even gives a fuck to pay attention!

Enigma869 wrote:Regardless of whose idea this is, it's yet another ill-conceived thought. These old fucks should be thankful anyone even gives a fuck to pay attention!

Agreed. How can Schon even get away with this legally? People sing other people's songs all the time....He never cared about this shit before he found Kim Jong IL....Schon is the douchebaggiest.....

It is ironic, the guy was trolling Tribute videos looking for a singer but now that he has HG, It's a different story. I think it was done for a different reason though, a totally personal agenda. They just have to hit all the bands so it doesn't look like they are singling anyone out.

Where is this info even coming from? You can still watch every Journey tribute band video out there... They haven't been pulled down!

G.I.Jim wrote:Where is this info even coming from? You can still watch every Journey tribute band video out there... They haven't been pulled down!

I think it's the youtube links on the individual tribute band websites that need to be removed.

Don wrote:

G.I.Jim wrote:Where is this info even coming from? You can still watch every Journey tribute band video out there... They haven't been pulled down!

I think it's the youtube links on the individual tribute band websites that need to be removed.

So you agree with this action and think it's a good idea?