Eclipse Album

by **jrny84** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:59 am

So how does everyone think Eclispe will do on the billboard album charts?

by **Glenn** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:18 am

This will be an interesting poll...

I do believe though people will vote on how they want the new album to do rather than what they really think it will do.

by **Don** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:25 am

I picked A. I also think it will sell less than Arrival when all is said and done. Just a different time in the industry when it comes to album sales vs singles.

by **Melissa** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:40 am

I'm interested to see how well it does on it's OWN, and not with the greatest hits attached to it like Revelation. I honestly don't think Revelation would have done nearly as well as it did without that greatest hits attached to it's hip. I hope Eclipse does well, but will be interesting to see if it can alone. I don't even think it's fair to even compare Revelation and Eclipse because of the potential huge difference that GH attachment might make.

by **Seven Wishes2** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:11 am

I want to see it succeed massively, but I think it's more likely it cracks the top 20 only.

by **ebake02** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:52 am

I think it will chart just as good as Revelation but sell less. It doesn't take much to make the top 10 any more.

by **Saint John** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:54 am

Top 3, without question.

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:04 am

We know who the 12 that shot it down are, by the way. The same dirty dozen as always around here. :roll:

Let's see if we can name them. You start...........

by **Don** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:11 am

Debuting at #40 or worse is really an impossbility, that would mean it sells somewhere between 15k and 20k. The hard core fans alone will buy that many.

Journey's Greatest Hits was just at #45 a month ago (Because of Tron). It almost make me think S2M hacked the system and voted 12 times, it just doesn't compute.

by **mikemarrs** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:15 am

B. It will reach the top ten, but not as high as Revelation

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:27 am

Don wrote:Debuting at #40 or worse is really an impossbility, that would mean it sells somewhere between 15k and 20k. The hard core fans alone will buy that many.

Journey's Greatest Hits was just at #45 a month ago (Because of Tron). It almost make me think S2M hacked the system and voted 12 times, it just doesn't compute.

He has cronies he runs with around here. Just because Rockindeano doesn't post doesn't mean he can't vote. :wink:

So there's 2, now out the other 10! :lol:

by **ebake02** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:38 am

steveo777 wrote:[quote="Don"Just because Rockindeano doesn't post doesn't mean he can't vote.

Is he still throwing that temper tantrum?

by **Don** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:39 am

I'm one of those that thinks the three disc set with the DVD and the greatest hits helped tremendously on the initial sales numbers for Revelation. The curiousity about Arnel, the killer price all contributed to a great debut. Minus all that this time around, I still can not imagine this thing selling less than 50k its first week. It could happen but the odds are pretty small on that.

by **Don** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:42 am

On the flip side, we know it will be priced below ten bucks but once you get this low, whether it is $9, $8 or $7 doesn't factor in anymore. It's more about getting three discs last time, then two discs with the Manila DVD and now one disc, all within a five dollar window. I think that will be telling in the second week of sales if the album falls fast. People like a good deal and now that you spoiled them, this second item may no longer be such a great impulse buy, especially when there is no recognizable song title on the back of the box like there was with the last two products.

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:48 am

Don wrote:On the flip side, we know it will be priced below ten bucks but once you get this low, whether it is $9, $8 or $7 doesn't factor in anymore. It's more about getting three discs last time, then two discs with the Manila DVD and now one disc, all within a five dollar window. I think that will be telling in the second week of sales if the album falls fast. People like a good deal and now that you spoiled them, this second item may no longer be such a great impulse buy, especially when there is no recognizable song title on the back of the box like there was with the last two products.

Especially if they put a little red, round sticker, disclosing "Not Steve Perry".

I think it would be a good time to include the documentary because I don't think that one is gonna make it to the big screen and is otherwise pretty much dead in the water. They might be able to sell the two discs for $10.88

by **Don** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:50 am

steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:On the flip side, we know it will be priced below ten bucks but once you get this low, whether it is $9, $8 or $7 doesn't factor in anymore. It's more about getting three discs last time, then two discs with the Manila DVD and now one disc, all within a five dollar window. I think that will be telling in the second week of sales if the album falls fast. People like a good deal and now that you spoiled them, this second item may no longer be such a great impulse buy, especially when there is no recognizable song title on the back of the box like there was with the last two products.

Especially if they put a little red, round sticker, disclosing "Not Steve Perry".

I think it would be a good time to include the documentary because I don't think that one is gonna make it to the big screen and is otherwise pretty much dead in the water. They might be able to sell the two discs for $10.88

It's too late to bundle it now and it would no longer be an 'independent film' if that happened. That chic still has dreams of an Academy Award for best Doc but she let the candle burn way too long.

by **jrny84** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:02 am

Seven Wishes wrote:I want to see it succeed massively, but I think it's more likely it cracks the top 20 only.

I agree I think it will probably chart maybe #12 or somewhere in that vacinity. I hope I am wrong and it does reach the top ten! Journey seems to still have the diehard fanbase out there that could make it possibly happen.

Over half the people on here believe it will at least crack the top ten.

by **Don** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:07 am

Where it debuts shouldn't matter as much as where it finishes. Can they move enough product to go gold?

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:09 am

The top 40 or worse crowd simply don't live in reality. These are probably the same ones who said Journey would never tour again, never produce more albums, never have more DVDs, fail, retire and all the other crap they have been spewing about the internet for years. What they do provide are people to argue with, keeping the forums going. :lol:

by **jrny84** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:13 am

Don wrote:Where it debuts shouldn't matter as much as where it finishes. Can they move enough product to go gold?

Good point, we shall see. It will be very interesting!

by **Melissa** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:18 am

I voted in the top 40, because I thought that sounded more realistic based on the crap on radio today, and I don't think an album in the top 40 is a bad thing. So can't speak for the others who voted that, but that's why I did. You don't have to like it, I don't care :lol:

If it does make it way higher than that, that'll be awesome. So it's wrong to think everyone who voted that way did so for some other reason :roll:

by **Maui Tom** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:32 am

Will dwarf Frampton Comes Alive!....Clean up at the Grammy's next year...they will play haltime at The Super Bowl....get in the RRHOF...Neal takes over for Sheen on Two and a Half Men....Cain...Ross and Deen become the new house band on Letterman.....Arnel signs a deal to play Caesars...5 months a year....and they are Grand Marshall's of The Rose Parade next year....Eclipsing everyone's wildest dreams for this band...if you think otherwise you are crazy....

by **S2M** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:36 am

Melissa wrote:I voted in the top 40, because I thought that sounded more realistic based on the crap on radio today, and I don't think an album in the top 40 is a bad thing. So can't speak for the others who voted that, but that's why I did. You don't have to like it, I don't care

If it does make it way higher than that, that'll be awesome. So it's wrong to think everyone who voted that way did so for some other reason

The problem is two-fold. One, the only people who will buy this album are the die-hards. And they will buy the album within a week of release. So you will get true, but skewed numbers that first week - week and a half, then the numbers will die down to VERY modest ones. And most likely you will get some stragglers who attend shows that maybe enjoy a couple of songs...but other than that, I don't see much growth in album sales for this release...

Two, I don't think there are anywhere near 50,000 die-hards in this country....15,000 is a stretch in itself....any additional numbers would come from bandwagon filipinos.

Like I stated earlier, I want them to do well...I want them to release a decent album. I wish they would try to capture some semblance of their former glory/talent...sure Neal can shred, Jon can sap it up with the best, or worst of them....but there is no synergy in that band anymore. No lust for excellence. They just seem like they are content with going thru the motions....

by **Don** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:44 am

P!nk's "Greatest Hits is at #9 this week with 25,000 albums sold. I'm betting Journey can sell more than that. Revelation sold 106 thousand packages its first week, and no, that's not a double count either. If Journey's initial sales drop 75% this time around, they would still be in the top 10. Even with the decline in sales and this not beng a triple Disc pack, to not make the top 20 and basically sell only 10,000 discs more than Journey's Greatest Hits is averaging, I just can't see it.

So yes, for whatever reasons half the people here think that this will debut outside the top 20, I would ask you to explain your logic.

I've done my share of bashing Journey so I'm not seeing the glass half full here with any bias, I'm just looking at the current reality of the music industry and applying common sense.

And this poll is only about the week the album debuts, after that week is another story.

by **S2M** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:46 am

Don wrote:P!nk's "Greatest Hits is at #9 this week with 25,000 albums sold. I'm betting Journey can sell more than that. Revelation sold 106 thousand packages its first week, and no, that's not a double count either. If Journey's initial sales drop 75% this time around, they would still be in the top 10. Even with the decline in sales and this not beng a triple Disc pack, to not make the top 20 and basically sell only 10,000 discs more than Journey's Greatest Hits is averaging, I just can't see it.

So yes, for whatever reasons half the people here think that this will debut outside the top 20, I would ask you to explain your logic.

I've done my share of bashing Journey so I'm not seeing the glass half full here with any bias, I'm just looking at the current reality of the music industry and applying common sense.

Don't look at it as a glass half-empty, half-full issue....The glass is just too big.

by **Don** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:48 am

S2M wrote:
Don wrote:P!nk's "Greatest Hits is at #9 this week with 25,000 albums sold. I'm betting Journey can sell more than that. Revelation sold 106 thousand packages its first week, and no, that's not a double count either. If Journey's initial sales drop 75% this time around, they would still be in the top 10. Even with the decline in sales and this not beng a triple Disc pack, to not make the top 20 and basically sell only 10,000 discs more than Journey's Greatest Hits is averaging, I just can't see it.

So yes, for whatever reasons half the people here think that this will debut outside the top 20, I would ask you to explain your logic.

I've done my share of bashing Journey so I'm not seeing the glass half full here with any bias, I'm just looking at the current reality of the music industry and applying common sense.

Don't look at it as a glass half-empty, half-full issue....The glass is just too big.

Too big? we're dealing with shot glasses in todays musical landscape.

by **S2M** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:51 am

Don wrote:
S2M wrote:
Don wrote:P!nk's "Greatest Hits is at #9 this week with 25,000 albums sold. I'm betting Journey can sell more than that. Revelation sold 106 thousand packages its first week, and no, that's not a double count either. If Journey's initial sales drop 75% this time around, they would still be in the top 10. Even with the decline in sales and this not beng a triple Disc pack, to not make the top 20 and basically sell only 10,000 discs more than Journey's Greatest Hits is averaging, I just can't see it.

So yes, for whatever reasons half the people here think that this will debut outside the top 20, I would ask you to explain your logic.

I've done my share of bashing Journey so I'm not seeing the glass half full here with any bias, I'm just looking at the current reality of the music industry and applying common sense.

Don't look at it as a glass half-empty, half-full issue....The glass is just too big.

Too big? we're dealing with shot glasses in todays musical landscape.

Don, the days of the full album/CD are a thing of the past.....Fans of music are tired of laying down $15-$18 dollars for 2 good songs, and a bunch of filler. Buying individual songs is here to stay....so you are going to have to come up with a different set of recording criteria for comparing whether a 'release' is a success, or a flop.....

by **Melissa** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:57 am

When I looked at billboard Pink's GH was at #23

But I know there are all sorts of "charts" these days, so who knows. But on BB right now, there is not ONE band even remotely like Journey in that top 40 right now. That's what makes me think it debuting within that would be hard. Like I said, doesn't mean I don't WANT it to, that would be GREAT if it does, and I WILL be getting the album and WILL be attending shows. I'm just not a dreamer when I see how much garbage is always in the top 10-20 these days.

by **Don** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:58 am

S2M wrote:
Don wrote:
S2M wrote:
Don wrote:P!nk's "Greatest Hits is at #9 this week with 25,000 albums sold. I'm betting Journey can sell more than that. Revelation sold 106 thousand packages its first week, and no, that's not a double count either. If Journey's initial sales drop 75% this time around, they would still be in the top 10. Even with the decline in sales and this not beng a triple Disc pack, to not make the top 20 and basically sell only 10,000 discs more than Journey's Greatest Hits is averaging, I just can't see it.

So yes, for whatever reasons half the people here think that this will debut outside the top 20, I would ask you to explain your logic.

I've done my share of bashing Journey so I'm not seeing the glass half full here with any bias, I'm just looking at the current reality of the music industry and applying common sense.

Don't look at it as a glass half-empty, half-full issue....The glass is just too big.

Too big? we're dealing with shot glasses in todays musical landscape.

Don, the days of the full album/CD are a thing of the past.....Fans of music are tired of laying down $15-$18 dollars for 2 good songs, and a bunch of filler. Buying individual songs is here to stay....so you are going to have to come up with a different set of recording criteria for comparing whether a 'release' is a success, or a flop.....

You are making an entirely different argument. Looking at the poll choices The correct Question should be "Where will the album debut on Billboard?" Nothing about how successful it's going to be, just where it will debut. My whole point is that the album can sell great OR sell like crap overall but STILL debut at the top of the charts initially.

by **ebake02** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:58 am

You know Walmart will market the shit out of this album so I think it will do pretty well the first week or two. As crappy as album sales are now, #1 isn't out of the question.

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