Might Cain retire after this tour?

[Majestic]

With this new rocking direction for Journey, I wonder if Cain's interests will move elswhere and cause him to hang it up after this tour. I sure hope not, because I love what he brings to Journey, but there are several reasons to believe he could. For example, his recent move to Nashville presents many distractions for him that could be a big factor. Cain is a fantastic song writer, and Nashville is a town that is known for being good to songwriters. After years of touring, and recording with Journey, he might find the Nashville scene more challenging and rewarding than doing the same thing in Journey. As as songwriter in Nashville, he wont have to worry about whether or not his songs are rocking enough, and can write whatever he feels. I think the fact that he is so active in developing and promoting is daughter as a country talent and perhaps the appeal of producing and developing other talents may soon put pressures on him until he feels too busy to do the Journey thing anymore. I'm sure he doesn't need anymore touring dollars to live out the rest of his days quite happily, either.

I've always been a fan of Journey primarily due to Schon, so I've been able to stick it out regardless of who the front man is. However, I wonder if Journey could really survive long without Cain at this point. After all, these are the twighlight years of Journey whether we like it or not.

Any thoughts?

[Andrew]

Don't see him going anywhere.

[VirgilTheart]

I'm not sure. Doubt he'll be leaving any time soon, but I've been wrong before.

However, if he DID leave, I'd say that it'd be a wonderful chance to bring Gregg Rolie back into the band. Don't get me wrong; I'd miss Cain a lot, but it'd be nice to see Gregg back in the band.

[NoMoreTails]

I think Cain will be on board until the end.
As for Gregg, I love what we brought to Journey and like some of his solo stuff but I don't think he could carry the load all of Jon's synth work, nor would he be interested in playing Cain era material. His forte has always been the organ rather than the synths. I believe producer Bob Marlette once said in an interview that he programmed and played most of the synths on The Storm's first album, I assume because Gregg wasn't as proficient on the technology side of the synth.

[Jana]

No, I don't think so at all. He said a couple of years ago (when Nashville was in the works) that he saw Journey together for another ten years. They will let up on the touring after this big tour and maybe do shorter tours mixed with longer or take a year off or so inbetween, or maybe even just go another five years. But this definitely isn't his last tour. He doesn't seem to be tired of it "after all these years."

[The_Noble_Cause]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean. Post-ROR, while Journey was on hiatus, their careers somewhat floundered. Bad English's success was short-lived. They helped launch Michael Bolton's career with The Hunger (a great almost Journeyish album), and then that partnership dissolved. Without Journey, what exactly does Cain have? Like Andrew said, he's not going anywhere.

[Michigan Girl]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean. Post-ROR, while Journey was on hiatus, their careers somewhat floundered. Bad English's success was short-lived.They helped launch Michael Bolton's career with The Hunger (a great almost Journeyish album), and then that partnership dissolved. Without Journey, what exactly does Cain have? Like Andrew said, he's not going anywhere.

I sooooo agree with this ...couldn't have said it better, but YES!!

[Majestic]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean. Post-ROR, while Journey was on hiatus, their careers somewhat floundered. Bad English's success was short-lived. They helped launch Michael Bolton's career with The Hunger (a great almost Journeyish album), and then that partnership dissolved. Without Journey, what exactly does Cain have? Like Andrew said, he's not going anywhere.

I agree he's looked bored lately. I just think at his age, he might have other things on his mind, and be tired of being a touring machine. I suspect he will get a lot of love in Nashville too, because he is a monster song writer. He might want to see what he can accomplish in Nashville as a song writer and producer, and maybe win some writing awards to top off his career. I kind of hope he does, and hope he doesn't! I love him in Journey, but also think he could get a lot more recognition as a song writer in Nashville than he has in rock. Not because he hasn't been great as a rock writer either, but just because in Nashville there is a lot more recognition and appreciation for writers than in rock.

[Archetype]

I think he'll be in Journey for a long time.

[Saint John]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean.

The first part isn't boredom at all. Just be around the guy at any time and you instantly realize that he's a pretty shy guy, and I've seen that look at meet and greets Even when Tito and I met walking down the street in downtown Milwaukee he seemed pretty shy. That "look" isn't only seen on stage.

As for them "clinging to Journey," I don't see why they wouldn't. They're 40% of the band that reached super stardom and that's something you never wanna see die (unless you're a reclusive, unipolar depressed nutcase). These guys are floating in money and the royalty checks will always keep them living very well. They're in Journey because that's what runs through their veins ... music. They'll quit when the passion for creating new music is gone. And I suspect that will be in about 6-8 more years ... at the earliest.

[NoMoreTails]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean.

The first part isn't boredom at all. Just be around the guy at any time and you instantly realize that he's a pretty shy guy, and I've seen that look at meet and greets Even when Tito and I met walking down the street in downtown Milwaukee he seemed pretty shy. That "look" isn't only seen on stage.

As for them "clinging to Journey," I don't see why they wouldn't. They're 40% of the band that reached super stardom and that's something you never wanna see die (unless you're a reclusive, unipolar depressed nutcase). These guys are floating in money and the royalty checks will always keep them living very well. They're in Journey because that's what runs through their veins ... music. They'll quit when the passion for creating new music is gone. And I suspect that will be in about 6-8 more years ... at the earliest.

And 2/3 of the creative force...which giving Perry credit for contributions such as "Jon, this song's theme will be about.....and will feature three Sam Cooke-isms per verse, now go write it" which brings that 2/3 to at least 85%.

[Michigan Girl]

I didn't get the impression that he meant they shouldn't hang on...I took it as
Journey is where their identity lies, their successes ...kinda scary to let go
of that completely and move on to other things when some of those
things have not faired so well for them ...I agree!!

If you want to turn this into a who's who amongst Journeymen, Bolero, that's your
prerogative, but I'd say this holds true for SP, as well!!

Jon Cain does look bored ...if it's shyness, he used to hide it better~~

[The_Noble_Cause]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean.

The first part isn't boredom at all.

Sorry. Friends of mine who are casual fans of Journey immediately point out how flat-out bored Jon looks on the Manilla dvd, compared to past performances. Since Arnel's inclusion, Jon looks like he doesn't want to be there.

They're in Journey because that's what runs through their veins ... music. They'll quit when the passion for creating new music is gone. And I suspect that will be in about 6-8 more years ... at the earliest.

Man, have you drunk the Kool-Aid. I don't think Journey music has flowed thru Neal's veins for years. Musically, his heart lies more with stuff like Hardline and Sirkus or The Neal Schon Band. Eclipse, like Red13, is another attempt to bring Journey in line with his hard-rocking vision; which is just fine by me.

[Jana]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean.

The first part isn't boredom at all.

Sorry. Friends of mine who are casual fans of Journey immediately point out how flat-out bored Jon looks on the Manilla dvd, compared to past performances. Since Arnel's inclusion, Jon looks like he doesn't want to be there.

I remember them talking about the how hot it was and that the humidity was unbearable. Neal's shirt is completely soaked in most of the concert, and he said his guitar strings were rusting within a couple of songs. I think Jon was dying from the heat. It even looked like Deen was really affected by it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I remember them talking about the how hot it was and that the humidity was unbearable. Neal's shirt is completely soaked in most of the concert, and he said his guitar strings were rusting within a couple of songs. I think Jon was dying from the heat. It even looked like Deen was really affected by it.

Not basing this on just that one performance. Dating as far back as the Vina Del Mar show, Jon looks uncomfortable. Other fans have said the same. As St. John has mentioned, Arnel was not Jon's choice. Maybe Augeri's ousting left a bad taste in his mouth? Either way, dude looks miserable. At least during Vegas 2001 he seemed to enjoy what he does.

[steveo777]

I didn't get the impression that he meant they shouldn't hang on...I took it as
Journey is where their identity lies, their successes ...kinda scary to let go
of that completely and move on to other things when some of those
things have not faired so well for them ...I agree!!

If you want to turn this into a who's who amongst Journeymen, Bolero, that's your
prerogative, but I'd say this holds true for SP, as well!!

Jon Cain does look bored ...if it's shyness, he used to hide it better~~

He can look bored all he wants. His job is to make sure the notes come out, which he does. Not really much different than anyone else who
has spent time in a job that becomes redundant. At this point, I'm sure his mind can be somewhere else while his body plays the tunes by
rote.

[swataz]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean. Post-ROR, while Journey was on hiatus, their careers somewhat floundered. Bad English's success was short-lived. They helped launch Michael Bolton's career with The Hunger (a great almost Journeyish album), and then that partnership dissolved. Without Journey, what exactly does Cain have? Like Andrew said, he's not going anywhere.

Seriously! The Bolton/Cain/Schon tune "You're All that I Need" - just stick Perry's vocals in it and voila!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Seriously! The Bolton/Cain/Schon tune "You're All that I Need" - just stick Perry's vocals in it and voila!

Yup. Great tune. Bolton did alot of demos with Schon and Cain. Dude, could've given the band a new leash on life. Different voice than Perry, but very soulful and very unique. People forget he used to be a rocker.

[Michigan Girl]

I didn't get the impression that he meant they shouldn't hang on...I took it as
Journey is where their identity lies, their successes ...kinda scary to let go
of that completely and move on to other things when some of those
things have not faired so well for them ...I agree!!

If you want to turn this into a who's who amongst Journeymen, Bolero, that's your
prerogative, but I'd say this holds true for SP, as well!!

Jon Cain does look bored ...if it's shyness, he used to hide it better~~

He can look bored all he wants. His job is to make sure the notes come out, which he does. Not really much different than anyone else who
has spent time in a job that becomes redundant. At this point, I'm sure his mind can be somewhere else while his body plays the tunes by
rote.

Steveo, what he's doing up there is redundant for the most part, he expects an audience
to redundantly attend these redundant shows, so he should step up the excitement level!! I expect him
to show a little enthusiasm while playing the new songs, too, even though he may not be real happy
about them ...I don't want to know all that when I'm supposed to be having a rockin' good time!! I want to
see some of my favorite musicians enjoying bringing/selling their craft to me no matter how many times
I've seen the stuff!!

So shuddup!!

[Melissa]

He can look bored all he wants. His job is to make sure the notes come out, which he does. Not really much different than anyone else who has spent time in a job that becomes redundant.

This is a dumb argument. Most people don't have jobs as entertainers in front of thousands of people at a time. So no he shouldn't look bored, he's an entertainer, he should have some stage presence, instead of looking like he'd rather be sitting on a toilet.

[S2M]

Seriously! The Bolton/Cain/Schon tune "You're All that I Need" - just stick Perry's vocals in it and voila!

Yup. Great tune. Bolton did alot of demos with Schon and Cain. Dude, could've given the band a new leash on life. Different voice than Perry, but very soulful and very unique. People forget he used to be a rocker.

Blackjack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J_Tpm0N9bc&playnext=1&list=PL8D95E3F8DBD7A1D3

Check out Bruce Kulick!

[RossValoryRocks]

When they announce a tour with a full Orchestra backing them up for a 4 hour show...THEN it's over...Or so I heard from someone.

[slucero]

This tour goes 2 years?

Play the same songs for 2 years
Don't see your family

vs.

write with the best writers everyday in your very own brand new studio?
See you family everyday


Jon be done after that... he has a reason to... Neil on the other hand doesn't....

[willspups]

[quote="The_Noble_Cause"]Cain looks bored as fuck...

That's brilliant....I have thought the same things for the last 10 years! Cain looks absolutely miserable on stage, almost pissed off. To be honest the entire band looks bored for the past several years....Ross and Valory hardly move around anymore.

[slucero]

Cain looks bored as fuck...

That's brilliant....I have thought the same things for the last 10 years! Cain looks absolutely miserable on stage, almost pissed off. To be honest the entire band looks bored for the past several years....Ross and Valory hardly move around anymore.

"Ross and Valory" is so old he had to split his name in half to keep count...

[Michigan Girl]

Cain looks bored as fuck...

That's brilliant....I have thought the same things for the last 10 years! Cain looks absolutely miserable on stage, almost pissed off. To be honest the entire band looks bored for the past several years....Ross and Valory hardly move around anymore.

"Ross and Valory" is so old he had to split his name in half to keep count...

He still has oodles of personality, even if it is split!!

[FamilyMan]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean. Post-ROR, while Journey was on hiatus, their careers somewhat floundered. Bad English's success was short-lived. They helped launch Michael Bolton's career with The Hunger (a great almost Journeyish album), and then that partnership dissolved. Without Journey, what exactly does Cain have? Like Andrew said, he's not going anywhere.

Cain's looked bored since Frontiers. But rest assured.... Journey's a well-oiled machine, and he's the grease.

[superreverb]

Cain had the same expression on his face in the eighties in the highest points of the band, he's a "Focused Musician" more then an "Entertainer" I don't think he looks (Or Plays) Bored, he is always bang on.

Also, he and Neal closed his old studio down together, Co-Produced, (took some of the production away from Shirley), this whole record together with Neal, he wrote the record with Neal, even brought Neal and Arnel to Nashville to record vocals, and Mix the record, from all I've read on here, and on Cain's site. Honestly, he seems more into it now, and more involved in this record then Revelation or Generations.

I think they'll be busy touring for 2 years, with time home between runs, to see family, work on side projects, like Cain's Studio, and Neal's Solo records, and if Eclipse helps heighten the band, on a Global market, I doubt Cain will go anywhere, I'll bet they start working on a new record.

having said that... if this record does nothing for them, and continues them, having mostly classic credibility and desire... I think they'll ALL throw in the Journey towel.

I really feel like there is more light on Journey, (Even if it is from it's classic form DSB), Oprah, and Arnel's Cinderella story, have opened up the possibility for this record to see more light, then th last few.

I'm staying positive... I really like what i hear in the little clip of COH, I'm looking forward to this record.

[Michigan Girl]

Cain had the same expression on his face in the eighties in the highest points of the band, he's a "Focused Musician" more then an "Entertainer" I don't think he looks (Or Plays) Bored, he is always bang on.

He's an excellent musician and, yes, very focused ...but I very much disagree w/^^^^. In the eighties
I called him the cutest smile in RNR ...he was enjoying/loving his job, it was in his eyes aaaaand his smile!!
You just knew he thought he had the best job in the world, he brought that to the stage!!! Nope, No,
Notta!! :wink:

[Michigan Girl]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean. Post-ROR, while Journey was on hiatus, their careers somewhat floundered. Bad English's success was short-lived. They helped launch Michael Bolton's career with The Hunger (a great almost Journeyish album), and then that partnership dissolved. Without Journey, what exactly does Cain have? Like Andrew said, he's not going anywhere.

Cain's looked bored since Frontiers. But rest assured.... Journey's a well-oiled machine, and he's the grease.

More bull~pooh!! Utter ridiculousness ...YOU may have been, he was still rockin' that
smile and those twinkling eyes for the ROR tour ...which I loved (-a couple of missing pieces)!!
Can't speak for the Augeri era, folks ...how was his smile for that?!?