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this song is amazing! The way Steve Perry sings to Lincoln Brewster's guitar is pretty cool. I wonder what this
would sound like on the "final" tour with Neal's interpretation. I have always been impressed with how
Lincoln was able to mimic Neal's tone unlike any other.

sonorstks wrote:this song is amazing! The way Steve Perry sings to Lincoln Brewster's guitar is pretty cool. I wonder what this
would sound like on the "final" tour with Neal's interpretation. I have always been impressed with how
Lincoln was able to mimic Neal's tone unlike any other.

Personally I like the title of the song.....

I like that song too. I can't agree about the comparison with Lincoln to Neal, however. Totally different players, different feel, and, Lincoln may have been going for Neal's tone, but over did it in my opinion.

point taken. Just over all the years I have never heard anyone come close to covering Neal's work the way Lincoln seemed to. At age 22 no less...

True!

Lincoln had this 'Schon' flavor in his playing, many other guitarists don't (even if they tried)

I love FTLOSM, easily Perry's best solo work

george_g wrote:True!

Lincoln had this 'Schon' flavor in his playing, many other guitarists don't (even if they tried)

I love FTLOSM, easily Perry's best solo work

You have to be shitting me. I beg to differ. Street Talk was the only great solo album of Steve's and FTLOSM was mediocre.

Well, it's only taste..

Street talk was a huge record for sure, however FTLOSM had things to remember; it had an interesting edge, it was loud enough, and this emotional delivery from SP, that personally i didn't hear in ST or Against the wall tracks

Street Talk is probably the greatest Journey album sans the classic Journey lineup. Multi-platinum, Top 3 single, (four Top 40 hits overall).
Comparing it to FTLOSM, all of Journey's albums without Perry on them, Neal and Jon's solo work and it is easy to see that nothing else comes close as far as commercial success to what Street Talk accomplished. There are even people out there that believe Foolish Heart and Oh Sherrie are Journey songs. No wonder it's impossible to separate the voice of Perry with the identity of Journey.

Don wrote:Street Talk is probably the greatest Journey album sans the classic Journey lineup. Multi-platinum, Top 3 single, (four Top 40 hits overall).
Comparing it to FTLOSM, all of Journey's albums without Perry on them, Neal and Jon's solo work and it is easy to see that nothing else comes close as far as commercial success to what Street Talk accomplished. There are even people out there that believe Foolish Heart and Oh Sherrie are Journey songs. No wonder it's impossible to separate the voice of Perry with the identity of Journey.

Street Talk is very good, and there was certainly some crossover with people not knowing who did what (very similar to Phil Collins solo work and Genesis in the 80s). Nothing else came close to the success mainly because most anything that was released was either a) after about 1992 when Nirvana hit and had no chance whatsoever on pop radio (both The Storm, Hardline fall in this category to some extent), or b) band fell apart (Bad English).

For what it's worth, I would personally nominate the 2nd Storm album (Eye of the Storm) for the "greatest Journey album sans classic Journey lineup" category. Released a few years earlier (or even released when it was supposed to be released), it might have broke the band considering the 1st album had some amount of success and it had a couple of pure radio hits on it.

Don wrote:Street Talk is probably the greatest Journey album sans the classic Journey lineup. Multi-platinum, Top 3 single, (four Top 40 hits overall).
Comparing it to FTLOSM, all of Journey's albums without Perry on them, Neal and Jon's solo work and it is easy to see that nothing else comes close as far as commercial success to what Street Talk accomplished. There are even people out there that believe Foolish Heart and Oh Sherrie are Journey songs. No wonder it's impossible to separate the voice of Perry with the identity of Journey.

Well, Neal did get nominated for a Grammy with Voice...and Steve Perry went out to sound like Journey without the rest of the band. IDK!!

BTW...just finishing up Keith Richards book, just to the part where Mick decided he didn't need the rest of the band and would go solo. (from Keith's perspective) I can't help but think about the similarities!!

RocknRoll wrote:

Don wrote:Street Talk is probably the greatest Journey album sans the classic Journey lineup. Multi-platinum, Top 3 single, (four Top 40 hits overall).
Comparing it to FTLOSM, all of Journey's albums without Perry on them, Neal and Jon's solo work and it is easy to see that nothing else comes close as far as commercial success to what Street Talk accomplished. There are even people out there that believe Foolish Heart and Oh Sherrie are Journey songs. No wonder it's impossible to separate the voice of Perry with the identity of Journey.

Well, Neal did get nominated for a Grammy with Voice...and Steve Perry went out to sound like Journey without the rest of the band. IDK!!

BTW...just finishing up Keith Richards book, just to the part where Mick decided he didn't need the rest of the band and would go solo. (from Keith's perspective) I can't help but think about the similarities!!

Perry got a Grammy nod also for Don't Fight It. Seeing as neither he nor Neal won, it's a wash in that department.

I love Neil Giraldo's guitar work on that song.

As far as Perry going out sounding like Journey, to me that just piles on the fact that the majority of People identify with the vocals more than the guitar, drums, keyboards or anything else when it comes to Journey music. The 'Voice' is Journey. You can replace the rest of the band but without someone sounding like Steve, you've got a problem.

People seem to forget that FTLOSM and Perry's tour happened at the height of the grunge era. Compared to what was happening to other rock acts at that time, Perry did okay, all things considered (Pink Floyd probably being the biggest exception as far as success for classic rock during that time, I'd even say their Pulse tour helped usher rock back in and signaled the beginning of the end for the grunge movement).

Don wrote:

RocknRoll wrote:

Don wrote:Street Talk is probably the greatest Journey album sans the classic Journey lineup. Multi-platinum, Top 3 single, (four Top 40 hits overall).
Comparing it to FTLOSM, all of Journey's albums without Perry on them, Neal and Jon's solo work and it is easy to see that nothing else comes close as far as commercial success to what Street Talk accomplished. There are even people out there that believe Foolish Heart and Oh Sherrie are Journey songs. No wonder it's impossible to separate the voice of Perry with the identity of Journey.

Well, Neal did get nominated for a Grammy with Voice...and Steve Perry went out to sound like Journey without the rest of the band. IDK!!

BTW...just finishing up Keith Richards book, just to the part where Mick decided he didn't need the rest of the band and would go solo. (from Keith's perspective) I can't help but think about the similarities!!

Perry got a Grammy nod also for Don't Fight It. Seeing as neither he nor Neal won, it's a wash in that department.

I love Neil Giraldo's guitar work on that song.

As far as Perry going out sounding like Journey, to me that just piles on the fact that the majority of People identify with the vocals more than the guitar, drums, keyboards or anything else when it comes to Journey music. The 'Voice' is Journey. You can replace the rest of the band but without someone sounding like Steve, you've got a problem.

Of course, the vocals are what drives a band, but it's the combination in the band that makes the success. Perry's concert venues compared to Journey with Perry venues show that. And he was even singing Journey songs. The fans still didn't flock over in the same numbers.

Jana wrote:

Don wrote:

RocknRoll wrote:

Don wrote:Street Talk is probably the greatest Journey album sans the classic Journey lineup. Multi-platinum, Top 3 single, (four Top 40 hits overall).
Comparing it to FTLOSM, all of Journey's albums without Perry on them, Neal and Jon's solo work and it is easy to see that nothing else comes close as far as commercial success to what Street Talk accomplished. There are even people out there that believe Foolish Heart and Oh Sherrie are Journey songs. No wonder it's impossible to separate the voice of Perry with the identity of Journey.

Well, Neal did get nominated for a Grammy with Voice...and Steve Perry went out to sound like Journey without the rest of the band. IDK!!

BTW...just finishing up Keith Richards book, just to the part where Mick decided he didn't need the rest of the band and would go solo. (from Keith's perspective) I can't help but think about the similarities!!

Perry got a Grammy nod also for Don't Fight It. Seeing as neither he nor Neal won, it's a wash in that department.

I love Neil Giraldo's guitar work on that song.

As far as Perry going out sounding like Journey, to me that just piles on the fact that the majority of People identify with the vocals more than the guitar, drums, keyboards or anything else when it comes to Journey music. The 'Voice' is Journey. You can replace the rest of the band but without someone sounding like Steve, you've got a problem.

Of course, the vocals are what drives a band, but it's the combination in the band that makes the success. Perry's concert venues compared to Journey with Perry venues show that. And he was even singing Journey songs. The fans still didn't flock over in the same numbers.

Did you not see where I mentioned he toured during the height of the grunge era. Even with Journey the results may not have been much different at that time. Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, all those groups were seeing major drops in album sales and tickets sold during that period compared to just five years earlier.

Don wrote:

Jana wrote:

Don wrote:

RocknRoll wrote:

Don wrote:Street Talk is probably the greatest Journey album sans the classic Journey lineup. Multi-platinum, Top 3 single, (four Top 40 hits overall).
Comparing it to FTLOSM, all of Journey's albums without Perry on them, Neal and Jon's solo work and it is easy to see that nothing else comes close as far as commercial success to what Street Talk accomplished. There are even people out there that believe Foolish Heart and Oh Sherrie are Journey songs. No wonder it's impossible to separate the voice of Perry with the identity of Journey.

Well, Neal did get nominated for a Grammy with Voice...and Steve Perry went out to sound like Journey without the rest of the band. IDK!!

BTW...just finishing up Keith Richards book, just to the part where Mick decided he didn't need the rest of the band and would go solo. (from Keith's perspective) I can't help but think about the similarities!!

Perry got a Grammy nod also for Don't Fight It. Seeing as neither he nor Neal won, it's a wash in that department.

I love Neil Giraldo's guitar work on that song.

As far as Perry going out sounding like Journey, to me that just piles on the fact that the majority of People identify with the vocals more than the guitar, drums, keyboards or anything else when it comes to Journey music. The 'Voice' is Journey. You can replace the rest of the band but without someone sounding like Steve, you've got a problem.

Of course, the vocals are what drives a band, but it's the combination in the band that makes the success. Perry's concert venues compared to Journey with Perry venues show that. And he was even singing Journey songs. The fans still didn't flock over in the same numbers.

Did you not see where I mentioned he toured during the height of the grunge era. Even with Journey the results may not have been much different at that time. Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, all those groups were seeing major drops in album sales and tickets sold during that period compared to just five years earlier.

I saw. They would have been playing at much bigger venues with TBF. TBF was double the sales of FTLOSM and they didn't even tour. Most of the people that love Journey don't care about grunge anyway. That was the next generation, for the most part. The sales and venues might not have been as big as ROR tour, but the venues would have still been big compared to Steve's solo venues.

sonorstks wrote:this song is amazing! The way Steve Perry sings to Lincoln Brewster's guitar is pretty cool. I wonder what this
would sound like on the "final" tour with Neal's interpretation. I have always been impressed with how
Lincoln was able to mimic Neal's tone unlike any other.

I've always loved Listen To Your Heart. I thought the vocals were amazing and always thought the guitar was really great on it.

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Jana wrote:
I saw. They would have been playing at much bigger venues with TBF. TBF was double the sales of FTLOSM and they didn't even tour. Most of the people that love Journey don't care about grunge anyway. That was the next generation, for the most part. The sales and venues might not have been as big as ROR tour, but the venues would have still been big compared to Steve's solo venues.

Now you are comparing a solo Perry during the grunge era to a Perry led classic Journey lineup in a pop friendly era immediately preceeding the grunge wave. It was only two years forward but the musical landscape had totaly changed again.

It would be like comparing Perry'solo tour during grunge to Neal's solo tour at the height of DSB mania last year. Even with the resurgence of Journey we know there's no comparison to who had more success and drew the larger crowds, even though, theoretically the latter appeared to have all the advantages as far as timing goes.
But in the end, we are just speculating.

Not arguing that SP didn’t sought solo fame on the back of his Journey popularity, but I would disagree that ST was calculated to “sound” like Journey. Other than the 2 obvious “pop” tracks (OS and FH), the rest of the album had a totally different flavor than anything the band had ever done (up to that point).

As for Steve’s solo tour not drawing like Journey, I believe he had said it was a conscious decision to play small venues…(paraphrasing) “I have always love the old theatres with the neat acoustics”. And I believe he drew very well in all his shows…have over a dozen FTLOSM boots, and they all sound like happy, capacity crowds (to me).

Street Talk was most successful commercially it was '84 when released and journey were at their peak. Musically it was made to sound commercial too, slightly more pop that jrny records..still it was a suprise to all that it sold as much as a jrny record, usually a solo effort doesn't go that far...

FTLOSM has a totally different arrangement which i think makes it really special. It had a harder edge while Perry sounded very sentimental; it was a vocal oriented record more 'personal' that ST i guess. You can also feel a real band behind, featuring very good musicians..

george_g wrote:Street Talk was most successful commercially it was '84 when released and journey were at their peak. Musically it was made to sound commercial too, slightly more pop that jrny records..still it was a suprise to all that it sold as much as a jrny record, usually a solo effort doesn't go that far...

FTLOSM has a totally different arrangement which i think makes it really special. It had a harder edge while Perry sounded very sentimental; it was a vocal oriented record more 'personal' that ST i guess. You can also feel a real band behind, featuring very good musicians..

Half of Street Talk and around half of FTLOSM doesn't work for me. I have the perfect Steve Perry solo album. I've taken the songs I love off each album and combined them to make my own Steve Perry solo album.

Horrible song. Funereal depressing trash.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Horrible song. Funereal depressing trash.

just curious, is it this dark, depressing song that you don't like, or is that just a preference that you don't like dark, depressing songs, which this song happens to fall into that category?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Horrible song. Funereal depressing trash.

Disagree. I was listening to this song the other day, and came home to see this post. And it meant to comment on it, as it was such a coincidence, but didn't.

I like the jazzy feel of the song. I've never found it like a dirge.

kgdjpubs wrote:just curious, is it this dark, depressing song that you don't like, or is that just a preference that you don't like dark, depressing songs, which this song happens to fall into that category?

Both. Much of FTLOSM is bleak. Apparently, being in Perry's head is a sad and lonely place to be. His vocals can elevate the most substandard of material, but the album is still a downer.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:just curious, is it this dark, depressing song that you don't like, or is that just a preference that you don't like dark, depressing songs, which this song happens to fall into that category?

Both. Much of FTLOSM is bleak. Apparently, being in Perry's head is a sad and lonely place to be. His vocals can elevate the most substandard of material, but the album is still a downer.

That album, especially the last song, got him the TBF gig....then he dropped the ball.

S2M wrote:That album, especially the last song, got him the TBF gig....then he dropped the ball.

C'mon now, does anyone seriously believe that Perry had to earn his way back into Journey? As he said himself, he holds the keys.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

S2M wrote:That album, especially the last song, got him the TBF gig....then he dropped the ball.

C'mon now, does anyone seriously believe that Perry had to earn his way back into Journey? As he said himself, he holds the keys.

Well....why the apology? Why the need to reach out musically? That album was meant as a way to let the guys know he still had 'it'. Granted, the songs basically put me to sleep, but singing-wise - they were excellent. And the last song apology? Again, why?

S2M wrote:Well....why the apology? Why the need to reach out musically? That album was meant as a way to let the guys know he still had 'it'. Granted, the songs basically put me to sleep, but singing-wise - they were excellent. And the last song apology? Again, why?

According to all sources (Kalodner, Shirley etc.), the Journey camp would STILL take Perry back in a split second - apology or not. It's all about $$$, not some fanciful notion of musical brotherhood. Wake the fuck up, man!

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

S2M wrote:Well....why the apology? Why the need to reach out musically? That album was meant as a way to let the guys know he still had 'it'. Granted, the songs basically put me to sleep, but singing-wise - they were excellent. And the last song apology? Again, why?

According to all sources (Kalodner, Shirley etc.), the Journey camp would STILL take Perry back in a split second - apology or not. It's all about $$$, not some fanciful notion of musical brotherhood. Wake the fuck up, man!

Nope...still not buying it. Again, Neal's had 5 albums worth of material to make his album, and 13 years to become that world band, and tour other places(Brazil). Why now? It ain't about the money anymore. YOU. Wake. Up.

[quote="S2M"][quote="The_Noble_Cause"][quote="S2M"]

Granted, the songs basically put me to sleep, but singing-wise - they were excellent. [/quote]


You just keep the excellence and drop the last song...however tunes like 'you better wait', 'listen to your heart', 'young guns forever', and the superb re-recording of 'if you need me call me' do not exactly put somebody to sleep..