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I Wonder If This Writer Is Still Holding His Breath???

Postby tater1977 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:03 am

Came across this, reading some old articles & just wondered if this writer is still holding his breath?

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/album ... e-19830414

By J.D. Considine
April 14, 1983


....It's hard to say what Journey is up to on Frontiers. With several of the group's members complaining to the press last year about how success had locked Journey into formula music, it seemed as if the band was signaling a shift to a less overtly commercial, more musically demanding sound. But as much as the sound on Frontiers has shifted, it's hard to believe that Journey thought there was any risk involved. Indeed, in some ways this is the band's most conservative effort yet.

Anyone who heard Here to Stay — the second album by Journey guitarist Neal Schon and former Mahavishnu Orchestra keyboardist Jan Hammer, which was released shortly before Frontiers — could have anticipated the "new" Journey sound. Whereas the duo's first collaboration, Untold Passion, served as a busman's holiday for Schon, giving him a chance to stretch out in a freer, jazz-oriented format. Here to Stay is obviously sales conscious. Although "Turnaround" and "(You Think You're) So Hot" employ some admirably complex riffs (though all are in dependable 4/4 time), "No More Lies" and "Long Time" are typical FM rockers, and "Self Defense" is essentially Journey with Hammer sitting in.

Frontiers takes care to maintain an equally high level of musicianship, but those interested in that aspect of the band's music will learn little beyond how smart guys play heavy metal. Despite the band's musical ingenuity and undeniable chops, the aesthetic at work here never goes any farther afield than basic stomp and crunch. There are some interesting touches, such as the clever modal harmony in "Chain Reaction" and the zippy power-guitar figure behind "Edge of the Blade." On the whole, though, Foreigner did a better job of stretching the limits of heavy-rock formalism with Head Games — and with fewer debts to other acts. The most energetic workout here, "Back Talk," is strongly reminiscent of Van Halen's "Everybody Wants Some," while the album's best ballad, "Faithfully," sounds more like a Bob Seger tune than one belonging to Journey.

In the end, the best that any of these albums can do is buy some time for these groups, for neither Styx nor Journey can afford continuing as before. Whether or not they can manage a transition that will maintain their commercial vitality remains to be seen. Judging from these albums, I wouldn't hold my breath. :shock:
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Re: I Wonder If This Writer Is Still Holding His Breath???

Postby S2M » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:12 am

tater1977 wrote:Came across this, reading some old articles & just wondered if this writer is still holding his breath?

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/album ... e-19830414

By J.D. Considine
April 14, 1983


....It's hard to say what Journey is up to on Frontiers. With several of the group's members complaining to the press last year about how success had locked Journey into formula music, it seemed as if the band was signaling a shift to a less overtly commercial, more musically demanding sound. But as much as the sound on Frontiers has shifted, it's hard to believe that Journey thought there was any risk involved. Indeed, in some ways this is the band's most conservative effort yet.

Anyone who heard Here to Stay — the second album by Journey guitarist Neal Schon and former Mahavishnu Orchestra keyboardist Jan Hammer, which was released shortly before Frontiers — could have anticipated the "new" Journey sound. Whereas the duo's first collaboration, Untold Passion, served as a busman's holiday for Schon, giving him a chance to stretch out in a freer, jazz-oriented format. Here to Stay is obviously sales conscious. Although "Turnaround" and "(You Think You're) So Hot" employ some admirably complex riffs (though all are in dependable 4/4 time), "No More Lies" and "Long Time" are typical FM rockers, and "Self Defense" is essentially Journey with Hammer sitting in.

Frontiers takes care to maintain an equally high level of musicianship, but those interested in that aspect of the band's music will learn little beyond how smart guys play heavy metal. Despite the band's musical ingenuity and undeniable chops, the aesthetic at work here never goes any farther afield than basic stomp and crunch. There are some interesting touches, such as the clever modal harmony in "Chain Reaction" and the zippy power-guitar figure behind "Edge of the Blade." On the whole, though, Foreigner did a better job of stretching the limits of heavy-rock formalism with Head Games — and with fewer debts to other acts. The most energetic workout here, "Back Talk," is strongly reminiscent of Van Halen's "Everybody Wants Some," while the album's best ballad, "Faithfully," sounds more like a Bob Seger tune than one belonging to Journey.

In the end, the best that any of these albums can do is buy some time for these groups, for neither Styx nor Journey can afford continuing as before. Whether or not they can manage a transition that will maintain their commercial vitality remains to be seen. Judging from these albums, I wouldn't hold my breath. :shock:


Although I love Frontiers(my favorite), he is absolutely correct....they jumped the shark in '83....sad really.
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Postby brandonx76 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:24 pm

The article is well written and has some good points to it...but Rolling Stone is an overrated piece of shit and they've always hated Journey and most of the AOR music I enjoy - so fuck them!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby SF-Dano » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:56 am

Wow. Can't agree with much here. Backtalk reminiscent of VH "Everybody wants some". Not. Faithfully akin to a Bob Seager ballad. No. Don't hear any of that or even get the slightest feeling of that. And while Here To Stay was a bit more mainstream sounding than Untold Passion, aside from No More Lies, I don't think any of those tunes were very radio friendly either. Also, don't see the sound influence that supposedly translated to Frontiers. Fuck Rolling Stone, then and now.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:02 am

SF-Dano wrote:Wow. Can't agree with much here. Backtalk reminiscent of VH "Everybody wants some". Not. Faithfully akin to a Bob Seager ballad. No. Don't hear any of that or even get the slightest feeling of that. And while Here To Stay was a bit more mainstream sounding than Untold Passion, aside from No More Lies, I don't think any of those tunes were very radio friendly either. Also, don't see the sound influence that supposedly translated to Frontiers. Fuck Rolling Stone, then and now.


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Postby Eric » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:36 am

steveo777 wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:Wow. Can't agree with much here. Backtalk reminiscent of VH "Everybody wants some". Not. Faithfully akin to a Bob Seager ballad. No. Don't hear any of that or even get the slightest feeling of that. And while Here To Stay was a bit more mainstream sounding than Untold Passion, aside from No More Lies, I don't think any of those tunes were very radio friendly either. Also, don't see the sound influence that supposedly translated to Frontiers. Fuck Rolling Stone, then and now.


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Postby JourneyHard » Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:12 am

I always thought Back Talk was the closest Journey ever came to sounding like Van Halen, but Faithfully doesn't sound anything like Bob Seger! This reviewer isn't from Detroit AND he doesn't know good music!

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