Homage to Escape on new album?

by **youkeepmewaiting** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:37 pm

I forget what song it is at the moment but on Arrival Schon played a little bit of the WCN solo as homage to 20 years since Escape. Reckon there could be a similar thing on Eclispe at some point?

I know they have gone in a new direction a bit but I think it would still work just a couple of notes from a song or two possibly.

by **george_g** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:08 am

The song was "Signs of life" one of the album's best

by **Arkansas** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:52 am

I think the spelling of ECL1PS3 is a little hint toward that.

later~

by **Rick** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:57 am

george_g wrote:The song was "Signs of life" one of the album's best

That is a great song.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:13 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:I forget what song it is at the moment but on Arrival Schon played a little bit of the WCN solo as homage to 20 years since Escape.

Interesting interpretation. Some fans said it was his way of rubbing salt in the eyes of Perry, saying, in effect, that the band soldiers on without you and you’re the one now crying about it. And then there were others who simply wrote it off as Neal being not very creative.

by **TRAGChick** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:35 am

Arkansas wrote:I think the spelling of ECL1PS3 is a little hint toward that.

Yes; I agree...

And, also the "Scarab-covering-something-over" Artwork...?

They were "Escape"ing something....now, they want to "Eclipse" it....?
COME ON. :roll:

by **Jubilee** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:50 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote: Interesting interpretation. Some fans said it was his way of rubbing salt in the eyes of Perry, saying, in effect, that the band soldiers on without you and you’re the one now crying about it. And then there were others who simply wrote it off as Neal being not very creative.

Yeah, well IF Perry's the one who's crying now, he'll be lovin', clutchin' and squeezin' his wallet while he's doing it. :wink:

by **RSParker** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:48 pm

amen to that!

Rick wrote:
george_g wrote:The song was "Signs of life" one of the album's best

That is a great song.

by **Michigan Girl** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:38 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote: Interesting interpretation. Some fans said it was his way of rubbing salt in the eyes of Perry, saying, in effect, that the band soldiers on without you and you’re the one now crying about it. And then there were others who simply wrote it off as Neal being not very creative.

We all know that Neal can be very lazy creatively, but this was what? 9 years ...
9 years and all Cain saw was a guy who wanted his band back !! I find it hard to believe that Schon
sat around for nine years drowning his sorrow and being uncreative. It must be the former, because
we also know that Schon is an immature little cry baby who has to at least pretend like
he's handling business like a man!!

Jubilee wrote:[Yeah, well IF Perry's the one who's crying now, he'll be lovin', clutchin' and squeezin' his wallet while he's doing it.

by **SF-Dano** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:08 am

Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable :roll:

by **Michigan Girl** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:43 am

SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

True ...like the Japan bonus track ...

by **JRNYFan** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:53 am

SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

A-Men

by **youkeepmewaiting** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:58 am

Indeed. I have never once considered it to be anything more than a nod to Escape and something to give the fans a little smile. And also maybe a unintentional marketing to a few fans to pick up the album who may be interested in hearing it. A bit like when Europe did their Journey nob on their second to last album

by **Michigan Girl** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:30 am

JRNYFan wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

A-Men

Oh blow it out your ass, same people^^^you, who start the Perry/JSS shit in every other thread!!
wah, wah!!
This is supposed to be a whole new directions, not a revisit!!

by **SF-Dano** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:52 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
JRNYFan wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

A-Men
Oh blow it out your ass, same people^^^you, who start the Perry/JSS shit in every other thread!!
wah, wah!!
This is supposed to be a whole new directions, not a revisit!!

I don't start Perry/JSS shit in any thread. But I will give my opinion on the subject, just like you do. Difference is, I don't have the incessant need to comment on every single post in every thread in which the Perry/Schon debate comes up. Or belittle people's innocuous comments such as those you quoted above.

by **Michigan Girl** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:06 am

SF-Dano wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
JRNYFan wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

A-Men
Oh blow it out your ass, same people^^^you, who start the Perry/JSS shit in every other thread!!
wah, wah!!
This is supposed to be a whole new directions, not a revisit!!

I don't start Perry/JSS shit in any thread. But I will give my opinion on the subject, just like you do. Difference is, I don't have the incessant need to comment on every single post in every thread in which the Perry/Schon debate comes up. Or belittle people's innocuous comments such as those you quoted above.

Your opinion is absolutely welcome!!

by **Jana** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:06 am

SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

Common sense, without an agenda or bitterness, tells you it's just a nod. :wink:

by **Michigan Girl** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:51 am

Jana wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

Common sense, without an agenda or bitterness, tells you it's just a nod.

Unfortunately, 20 years ago there was bitterness, so no you/we really don't know that!!
TNC's listed scenarios make perfect sense!!
Now the Eclipse lettering on the LP today, that seems like a nod!!

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:54 am

JRNYFan wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

A-Men

It may very well be "a nice little nod toward their past." Not to be the gatekeeper of Journey online history or anything, but most fans online argued it was prolly an intentional jab at Perry. Given the band's vindictive streak (what does NOMOTA stand for again???), I wouldn't doubt it.

Website · by **steveo777** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:20 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
JRNYFan wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:Why can't it just be a nice little nod toward their past. In the case of Signs of Life, what are we talking about, a bar or two of a solo. No everything has to be a slight against Perry or some sort of dig at Schon (uncreative).

I think it is cool that they do that kind of thing. Yes, it can be over done, but just a small guitar lick here or lyric there is not overdoing it or being uncreative.

Un-freaking believable

A-Men

It may very well be "a nice little nod toward their past." Not to be the gatekeeper of Journey online history or anything, but most fans online argued it was prolly an intentional jab at Perry. Given the band's vindictive streak (what does NOMOTA stand for again???), I wouldn't doubt it.

Who gives a flying fuck if it even was a jab. Maybe he deserved it a little.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:25 pm

steveo777 wrote:Who gives a flying fuck if it even was a jab. Maybe he deserved it a little.

I think all the behind-the-scenes backbiting is pretty interesting stuff myself. It's about time something, anything, ruffled up Journey's squeaky clean housewife-music image.

by **Gin and Tonic Sky** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:12 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:I forget what song it is at the moment but on Arrival Schon played a little bit of the WCN solo as homage to 20 years since Escape.

Interesting interpretation. Some fans said it was his way of rubbing salt in the eyes of Perry, saying, in effect, that the band soldiers on without you and you’re the one now crying about it. .

I think they are probably right about that. I'm sure the name Eclipse has a little bit of a jibe at Perry too, suggesting that his memory has been eclipsed.

by **Michigan Girl** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:40 am

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:I forget what song it is at the moment but on Arrival Schon played a little bit of the WCN solo as homage to 20 years since Escape.

Interesting interpretation. Some fans said it was his way of rubbing salt in the eyes of Perry, saying, in effect, that the band soldiers on without you and you’re the one now crying about it. .

I think they are probably right about that. I'm sure the name Eclipse has a little bit of a jibe at Perry too, suggesting that his memory has been eclipsed.

awwww, you're right ...the little Mfer's!! :evil:

How's that for innocuous!?! :wink:

by **SF-Dano** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:01 am

Still don't see it. Think you are all reading way too much into this stuff. :lol:

Website · by **steveo777** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:32 am

SF-Dano wrote:Still don't see it. Think you are all reading way too much into this stuff.

Don't we always?

MR

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